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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 27, 2019 11:41:56 GMT
Really if we win today then we have to follow it up with, no questions asked, a win against Huddersfield. I'd be setting him the remit of win both or it's off you go. IF, and currently a big if, he wins the next two and teams above us like Luton, Derby, Barnsley don't pick up results then it gets more promising. Get a win against Swansea as well and all of sudden you start to let the 'turned a corner' thoughts creep in. Sadly I also don't feel like we can base too much on the match against Hudders because they're a very poor team, and I'd love us to go toe-to-toe with Swansea and get a good victory. I agree with that. It is like he's on a sudden death, game by game basis right now. I've said on a previous thread that ideally he needs 7 points out of 9 over the next three games, but he has to win these two home games. That would actually be 8 points out of 12. Based on our current form, that is a massive turnaround and a tall order. It's not beyond the realms of possibility though. The trouble with, and beauty of, the Championship is that anybody can beat anybody. Win tonight and he lives to fight another day.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 27, 2019 10:54:03 GMT
There is a sense of hope and faith on this thread. Football is a strange game and confidence is everything.
IF, and it's obviously a big if, we can win tonight, then go on to beat Huddersfield next week, who knows what might happen? Nathan must have something to have achieved what he did at Luton.
It looks as though the players, coaching staff and manager have all been knocked by a bit of bad luck, some poor play and terrible results. A couple of wins might change everything.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 27, 2019 8:54:48 GMT
He may as well full-diamond it in what could well be his last match if it goes wrong If he isn't prepared to diamond it, there's no point him being here. Interesting to see if he throws Powell in from the start and thinks 'oh, fuck it'. If he's going diamond, I'd go: Butland Edwards Batth BMI Clucas Woods Ndiaye Etebo Powell Gregory Hogan But presumably it'll be McClean at full-back and Ndiaye at the base, and Clucas alongside Etebo. I would be happy with either of those two sides. He has to go back to his principles and have a real go. If Powell isn't fit, it will have to be Ince I think. Come on Nathan! It's been so tough but keep the faith. There are a couple of precedents here. Two of the most successful managers of the last 35 years faced similar crisis points. www.theguardian.com/football/that-1980s-sports-blog/2015/oct/20/howard-kendall-everton-fa-cup-1984Many Evertonians would say it was the Milk Cup game at Oxford that saved Howard Kendall. The rest is history: league Champions, FA Cup winners and European Cup Winners Cup (?) winners. The best team of the mid eighties. The irony is, their winning streak started at Stoke in the FA Cup the week before. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/30709994That Mark Robins goal. Often credited for saving Fergie from the bullet. Manchester United supporters wanted him gone. And the irony there is that of course, the fixture that saved Sir Alex Ferguson was against... Nottingham Forest. Come on Stoke! Have a real go tonight lads. Shit or bust, Nathan. If you're going to go, please don't go out with a whimper. Go out believing in what worked before, all guns blazing and attack, attack - attack, attack, attack!
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 26, 2019 10:52:41 GMT
Every club have their ups and downs,we are on a down at the moment,how far we fall and how long that lasts is anyone's guess. But eventually there will be an up,we will all just have to hope the up is not too far off. Like you say, ups and downs. Was Crawley worse than losing that FA Cup reply to Blythe Spartans, at home?Or getting relegated from Division 1, with the the lowest points total? Or that humiliating 5-2 defeat at home to Manchester City that sent us to the third tier, with Vale in the league above us? Or getting battered in a 0-0 league 1 play-off semi final at home to mighty Walsall? Or losing 4-0 away to Wigan Atheletic in League 1? It's football. Keep things in perspective.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 26, 2019 9:45:55 GMT
Back to the diamond with the physicality of Etebo & Badou allowing woods to keep us ticking over, with Powell pulling the strings for Gregory & Hogan. Butland Edwards Batth Bruno Clucas Woods Etebo Badou Powell Hogan Gregory I would quite like to see that team. That was the formation that created a host of chances against Charlton and Derby, but strengthened in centre mid, with Powell offering more creativity and probably Clucas and Bruno more solid defensively. Might as well throw caution to the wind and have a go.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 25, 2019 15:39:53 GMT
It's a chain of events though. You don't want to hear it, but after delaying with Hughes, the best decision would have been to stick until the end of the season. He had more chance of keeping us up than PL. That would have been the time to make the transition. Rowett looked a good appointment. Decent track record and knew the Championship. There are a number of people on here who definitely didn't want one of the old school of Moyes, Allardyce, Bruce etc who seem to have made a bit of a U-turn when the progressive appointment hasn't worked out as we all hoped. I would taken Allardyce before the England job debacle and openly stated so on here, Nathan Jones is a massive disappointment the wrong man not experienced enough out of his depth was last season as well, he is the worst manager in the history of the club yet the dead man walking is still been hung out to dry it's getting cruel. There's a degree of calculated risk in every appointment. I thought MH was a huge gamble after the car crash at QPR, but he delivered 3 of the best seasons in our history. There is no doubting that NJ was the hottest managerial prospect in the football league. You can hardly blame the board for wanting some of that and trying to build a new regime at Stoke City.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 25, 2019 15:24:48 GMT
Local owners, mega rich, manageable serviceable debt, parachute payment remaining, own the ground, superb new training complex, academy starting to produce results. With respect, there aren't many clubs in the championship who can tick all those boxes. Unless some kind of Road to Damascus epiphany occurs, it looks as though they've made 3 poor managerial appointments. They were brave decisions made in good faith. Sometimes a calculated risk doesn't work out as you hoped. Could happen to anyone. I seem to remember you advocating Gary Rowett while Mark Hughes was still here. Only "looks like they have made three poor managerial appointments" it's pretty fekin nailed on with the evidence we have, can't be a coincidence that they have ballsed up three times in a row the latest one the worst of all. Ever since John Coates took the helm we have been drifting from one disaster to another. It's a chain of events though. You don't want to hear it, but after delaying with Hughes, the best decision would have been to stick until the end of the season. He had more chance of keeping us up than PL. That would have been the time to make the transition. Rowett looked a good appointment. Decent track record and knew the Championship. There are a number of people on here who definitely didn't want one of the old school of Moyes, Allardyce, Bruce etc who seem to have made a bit of a U-turn when the progressive appointment hasn't worked out as we all hoped.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 25, 2019 14:49:28 GMT
I think either Hughton or Moyes would be good, and both would go for it. Personally, I'm not sure the club are in such a mess, just that the coaching and playing staff are all over the place. Decent squad, great owners, very wealthy owners with their own brand to back, relatively stable and a great opportunity to show rapid improvement. I can't see Chris Hughton getting another Prem job when Brighton have let him go. His only way back is with another promoted side. Let me put your mind at ease... the club are in an absolute shocking state. Local owners, mega rich, manageable serviceable debt, parachute payment remaining, own the ground, superb new training complex, academy starting to produce results. With respect, there aren't many clubs in the championship who can tick all those boxes. Unless some kind of Road to Damascus epiphany occurs, it looks as though they've made 3 poor managerial appointments. They were brave decisions made in good faith. Sometimes a calculated risk doesn't work out as you hoped. Could happen to anyone. I seem to remember you advocating Gary Rowett while Mark Hughes was still here.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 25, 2019 11:49:58 GMT
loads and loads are saying get rid which i agree with but who the hell would come here the mess we are here not Houghton would Pulis what do people think about going for J Terry It would be another rookie appointment, which you’d think would be the last thing we need in this position. It’s going to have to be someone experienced and respected for a time at least. Still think Hughton would be the one, I don’t think his options are nearly what people are making them out to be. I think either Hughton or Moyes would be good, and both would go for it. Personally, I'm not sure the club are in such a mess, just that the coaching and playing staff are all over the place. Decent squad, great owners, very wealthy owners with their own brand to back, relatively stable and a great opportunity to show rapid improvement. I can't see Chris Hughton getting another Prem job when Brighton have let him go. His only way back is with another promoted side.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 25, 2019 11:23:01 GMT
I have supported Jones through "thin and thin" (There's been no good time) but now feel we are approaching a critical point on Friday. I still want him to turn it round in my heart of hearts, but last night's team selection and performance showed not an iota of improvement. It is now getting too late to try anything different like going with youth. I feel desperately sorry for him and the fans, but not the players who have been a disgrace and let us and Jones down badly. The sendings off through stupid reckless tackles is the final straw. I can't blame the manager for them. I do not really believe in "must wins" because if you have got to that point, it is probably already too late, but there is a "must win" Friday night is it. We do not want to fall into the trap we did with Hughes who extended his tenure by beating Watford and West Brom, so the Board gave him more time till it was too late. There is a danger we could beat a very poor Huddersfield side next week and everyone raise their hopes and the club extend Jones tenure. So I give him till Saturday morning and then I may be joining the chorus to sack him, but goodness knows where we go from there. I can't see anyone except another Lambert accepting the job. A fair post and that has been pretty much my position. The worry is that I thought there was something there against Charlton and Derby, but that's about a month and 6 games ago and things seem to be getting worse. It looks like he's given up on the 4-4-2 diamond and is committed to 3 at the back, which really only leaves 1 striker. That's the system that created lots of chances and it's gone, never to return it seems. Having said that, Friday looks like the last roll of the dice in the very last chance saloon, so maybe he'll risk that if Powell is fit. On top of that, he seems to be struggling with managing a big squad. From what he has said, I don't think he expected Badou, Jack, Joe and maybe even big Pete still to be here. He clearly hasn't found the balance yet. It looks like a downward spiral and it's difficult to see how he can turn it around from here. I think he has to win the next 2 home games and get something at Swansea to show that we are on an upward curve - 7 points out of 9 looks a very tall order given what's gone before. If he goes, I think we'll learn a lot about the balance of power at the club. Hughton or Moyes might be a unanimous appointment, but if Peter wants to take back control, I wouldn't be surprised to see our old friend from Sandbanks back in town.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 24, 2019 13:19:00 GMT
Absolutely agree. I'm a lot less confident now than I was after the draw against Derby obviously. The plan seems to have been dropped and we've stopped creating chances. I think that under normal circumstances a draw against Forest on Friday isn't a bad result. Under the current situation though, is it enough for NJ? Personally I think they'll leave any decision until the next international break now. If we lose against both Forest and Huddersfield I don'r think they will have any choice other than to make the change. My feeling is then that it would be the third coming of the messiah. With a draw it would very much depend on the performance I think. A cowering, hanging on draw where we play deep and create nothing at home would almost be like a defeat. Some semblance of something to build on would scrape him through probably. If we can't get Hughton or Moyes it's hard to shake the feeling we'll end up stuck with Pulis again. Let's hope he pulls something out of the bag then ;-) Personally, I think I might rather have Moyes than Hughton. This squad should be in contention for promotion and I think DM is a better bet if we got promoted at some point.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 24, 2019 12:59:38 GMT
Pretty fair and balanced article in my opinion.
It is difficult to understand why things are so bad with the players we have. Have Lambert, Rowett and Jones all become bad managers since arriving at Stoke City?
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 24, 2019 12:55:48 GMT
What if they win well tonight and then lose on Friday? The difficulty for Nathan is that the pressure is being cranked up on some tough games. 80 minutes with 10 men against in-form Bristol City, a tricky away game against a Brentford team that hammered Derby in their last home game then a TV game against a Nottingham Forest team unbeaten in the last 5, 6th in the table who have only conceded 6 goals in 8 games. I wouldn't like to have to win that match on Friday night to save my job. We've got to start winning some time Okie, and those sound an awful lot like excuses for the results in the other games. We can't keep losing. Unfortunately for him, tonight isn't really much of a situation. Win and you only do what's expected. Lose and it's another psychological blow and further feeds into the crisis narrative. Absolutely agree. I'm a lot less confident now than I was after the draw against Derby obviously. The plan seems to have been dropped and we've stopped creating chances. I think that under normal circumstances a draw against Forest on Friday isn't a bad result. Under the current situation though, is it enough for NJ? Personally I think they'll leave any decision until the next international break now. If we lose against both Forest and Huddersfield I don'r think they will have any choice other than to make the change. My feeling is then that it would be the third coming of the messiah.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 24, 2019 12:38:13 GMT
But surely on the back of his record already his position becomes untenable🤔 I think he'll survive tonight whatever the weather but lose Friday and he's gone. What if they win well tonight and then lose on Friday? The difficulty for Nathan is that the pressure is being cranked up on some tough games. 80 minutes with 10 men against in-form Bristol City, a tricky away game against a Brentford team that hammered Derby in their last home game then a TV game against a Nottingham Forest team unbeaten in the last 5, 6th in the table who have only conceded 6 goals in 8 games. I wouldn't like to have to win that match on Friday night to save my job.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 24, 2019 10:34:14 GMT
Must admit I've got a bad feeling about this one. It's going to be a scratch side with a big game on Friday night. They will be right up for it: a decent draw next round would be a big revenue booster for them.
Could be another difficult night. Hopefully those starting see it as chance to break into his league team and put on a committed, professional performance.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 15:21:14 GMT
You wanted Mark Hughes to stay ifs I think Coates was right to allow Hughes to continue into his 5th season, after 9th, 9th, 9th, 13th. Having let him go to 23 games I think he should have kept him until the end of the season and decided on what action to take then. Asking Paul Lambert to keep us up with just 15 games left was a huge risk and one that was to cost us our PL place. You will say he should have sacked Hughes earlier, but Coates didn't do that and so yes I think Hughes should have stayed under those circumstances. That's how I see it too. I think MH would have kept us up and then we could have made a planned transition, similar to Pulis to Hughes. I understand why they sacked him when they did, but unfortunately I think they reduced our chances of staying up by replacing him with Paul Lambert.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 15:13:25 GMT
Makes sense to me too. We all over react to a string of bad results. I still think he's got something, but after 6 losses and 1 draw it's going to take a fairly quick upturn in fortunes to turn it around and establish himself in the job. The next few games will tell us if he's going to do it. Good luck Nathan! We’re not over-reacting, this string of bad results stretches back three years. True again. Why do you keep putting hard facts in front of my optimism?! I am looking at this season in isolation. New set up etc. I'm sure we're good enough to start climbing this league.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 15:10:33 GMT
Another reason we should win then. Heaven forbid we get beat and something happens to the Queen or Prince Philip Surely we’ve got to win soon haven’t we🤔😄 Yep, it's long overdue. A hard game though...
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 15:01:15 GMT
Brentford quite a historic fixture for us for those that remember the unlucky south dressing room in Cardiff. It certainly is mate and another useless bit of information I remember (I’m full of them😄)was after a 1-0 defeat at Brentford in 2002 the Queen Mother’s death was announced whilst I was driving home Another reason we should win then. Heaven forbid we get beat and something happens to the Queen or Prince Philip
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 14:50:20 GMT
I always think that too. Not you talking bollox, but that we'll win Satdee. Always have, always will! And you know what, I really do think we'll win. Whether it's law of averages, a bit of luck or just an odd result, I think we'll win. The law of averages doesn’t exist. The probability of winning one particular match is independent of previous results. Yes, I apologise. I used that as a turn of phrase rather than a statistical probability. Strike that one off as a reason we might win... We sure are due a bit of luck and a win though.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 14:47:48 GMT
I always think that too. Not you talking bollox, but that we'll win Satdee. Always have, always will! And you know what, I really do think we'll win. Whether it's law of averages, a bit of luck or just an odd result, I think we'll win. I always think we'll lose. But it doesn't soften the blow when we do. Which we usually do these days Cheer up Joe. What chance an unsoiled sheet? Must admit, over the years I've never really fancied us away from home, but I think we're capable of beating anyone home or away in his league. Trouble with that is, so are the other 23 teams!
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 14:42:21 GMT
Honestly once again a fair assessment that imo, it has just got to drop for us on Saturday 0-4 Stoke come on you Potters Its happened before mate us winning 4-0 at Brentford 9th March 1991,I remember it well Brentford quite a historic fixture for us for those that remember the unlucky south dressing room in Cardiff.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 14:41:04 GMT
Mistakes happen, but not every mistake ends up in a goal. We are handing teams goals on a plate though. The kind of shite defending we saw against Birmingham and Bristol City will be punished every time and will probably continue to happen. Teams are wise to us. We don't do enough to stop crosses coming over and we can't defend the back post. Yeah that is a worry. Twice in one game last week. But he must also see it. We can only hope he's working with the fullbacks and CBs to get better at it. If he can't stop it with this system, I think he may have to go 4-4-2 and put Clucas in front of McClean. Whether he will, or whether he has the time to experiment remains to be seen.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 14:34:45 GMT
Thanks for that, FM. Interesting again and I personally think he pretty much tells it how it is. The only thing I picked up on is in the last paragraph - is it minor inches we have to change or is it a 20% improvement? Probably just over analysing like everybody else and I get what he is saying. Dave Brailsford's aggregate marginal gains - lots of tiny improvements make a huge overall difference. Be more clinical, put your chances is away and cut out the defensive errors. For all the talk of tactics and formations, football's still a fairly simple game. Every week I think we've got better players than them - yet every week we get beat. It's a mystery to me! Could it be that the other teams have a better manager perhaps I'm not entrenched one way or the other, but you could of course be right. I honestly don't know how good he is yet, but obviously his achievements at Luton were impressive. Like a lot of people have said, I see some encouraging stuff, then we do something dopey and the confidence is so fragile that the heads drop. Losing (or winning for that matter) becomes a habit.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 13:49:48 GMT
Nathan jones clearly is not working out at Stoke that’s clear to see, yet the board are constantly reluctant to sack Jones which has essentially ruined this season already. He left it too late with Hughes and Rowett 1Clubs like Watford sack their manager after poor form and it clearly works 2If we had sacked Jones after 4 games the season may well not have been over like it is now 3Is Peter Coates scared of delivering the p45? Or brainwashed by Jones’ small talk? Or maybe doesn’t care all that much anymore? 4Just doesn’t make any sense 51. Season is not yet ruined, we are just 7 matches in, or, after the last 3 seasons, were you really expecting Stoke to win the Championship? I agree he left it too late (about a month IMO) to sack Hughes, but the sacking of Rowett was about the right time, when results started to deteriorate again after a 10 game unbeaten run, and he starting to criticize fans who are the customers. 2. Watford have just rehired a manager they sacked - that makes real business sense? 3. Having just signed 12 new players it would be nonsense to sack the manager after 4 games. 4. Peter Coates is an astute successful businessman. He is also compassionate and caring. He does not sack managers on a whim but only when it has been conclusively shown there is nothing to gain from continuing the engagement. He is also considerate of all the other employees that go with the manager; trainers, coaches, tacticians etc. and indeed players who would undergo a major turnover when a new manager is employed. Any responsible manager does not play fast and loose with employees lives and livelihoods. 5. Maybe not to you. But having been a manager of businesses for over 30 years responsible for many hundreds of employees in that time, Peter Coates/ the Board's management ethos makes sense to me. Makes sense to me too. We all over react to a string of bad results. I still think he's got something, but after 6 losses and 1 draw it's going to take a fairly quick upturn in fortunes to turn it around and establish himself in the job. The next few games will tell us if he's going to do it. Good luck Nathan!
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 13:31:02 GMT
How can you stop it?NJ: You work and we believe in our work. It’s baffling at times, it really is, because if we were getting carved open... but we are not. We go away and dominate games, but then people switch off. It’s not just work, but the smart work you do, and if we do that I’m sure we will get the results long term. Pleased with commitment of players?NJ: yes, I’m pleased with 80% of our play. We carve out chances and defend well, then bang. Apart from Leeds United, no team has dominated us. It’s a false position we are in, but I don’t know how long we can keep saying that. I’m under no illusion of the position we are in, but there really are positives, it’s just those minor inches we have to change. Do that and I think we will not only start winning, but winning comfortably. But we have to get better that extra 20%. Thanks for that, FM. Interesting again and I personally think he pretty much tells it how it is. The only thing I picked up on is in the last paragraph - is it minor inches we have to change or is it a 20% improvement? Probably just over analysing like everybody else and I get what he is saying. Dave Brailsford's aggregate marginal gains - lots of tiny improvements make a huge overall difference. Be more clinical, put your chances is away and cut out the defensive errors. For all the talk of tactics and formations, football's still a fairly simple game. Every week I think we've got better players than them - yet every week we get beat. It's a mystery to me!
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 13:23:32 GMT
That's me talking a load of bollox. I always think that too. Not you talking bollox, but that we'll win Satdee. Always have, always will! And you know what, I really do think we'll win. Whether it's law of averages, a bit of luck or just an odd result, I think we'll win.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 18, 2019 8:19:47 GMT
No it isn't. Fulham, Wolves, Norwich, Sheffield United and Aston Villa did it in just the last couple of seasons. , It didn't work with GR and it isn't working with NJ at the moment. To say they weren't "qualified" for the job is ludicrous though. Are Swansea daft by the same criteria? If so, they're second in the league at the moment. Your argument doesn't stand up. You've dug yourself into a bit of a hole here mate. No I haven't. Fulham, Norwich and Sheff Utd all spent at least 4 years in the Championship before they went back up and went through numerous managers (Villa 3 years before they got promoted, Wolves new owners changed all the processes at the club as well as hiring an experienced manager. Who has hired a League One manager half way through season to make a bid for promotion and done it or even got promoted the next year? Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. The irony of referring to Aston Villa as an example, is that surely by your criteria of being "qualified", Steve Bruce is more "qualified" than Dean Smith. One is a former Premier league Manager promoted from the Championship twice before, one is a bloke who did well in League 1 with Walsall and never even made the play-offs with Brentford in the Championship. Again, by your criteria, how was the Wolves manager "experienced"? He'd never managed in England, let alone had a track record of delivering promotion from the Championship! Also, wasn't it only Sheffield United's second season in the Championship after promotion from League 1 with Wilder? In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think that you saying that neither Rowett or Jones was "qualified" for the Stoke job is a load of tosh. Just get a bit tired of people bashing the club without foundation.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 17, 2019 17:00:26 GMT
Well I disagree. Rowett reached the play-offs the previous season and the board backed him to help him. Jones got his team to the top of two leagues in succession. There must be a number of managers who enjoyed success in League 1 and also the Championship. You telling me that Dean Smith and Billy Wilder fluked it? They were wanting an ambitious young manager with a track record. Both fit the brief. To say they weren't "qualified" is incorrect. No I'm not saying they fluked it but if you wanted to be certain of success neither were the correct appointments. Rowett may have reached the play-offs but he didn't get £50m to spend. Jones may one day do well but again if the only aim is promotion then it was a gamble to bring someone in who hadn't even managed in the league regardless of how well he's done in League Two and League One. No appointment can guarantee success but why in particular you'd say to someone who has never been promoted "here's £50m to spend to get us immediate promotion" was plain daft. It's not his appointment as manager I have an issue with its the money he's been given. Similarly Jones, did we really hire him and say right you have to get us to the Prem immediately? If we did then it was daft. It's not a criticism of the managers it's our board not realising they were asking two people to do something they'd never done and thinking nothing could go this wrong. It's just completely daft. No it isn't. Fulham, Wolves, Norwich, Sheffield United and Aston Villa did it in just the last couple of seasons. It didn't work with GR and it isn't working with NJ at the moment. To say they weren't "qualified" for the job is ludicrous though. Are Swansea daft by the same criteria? If so, they're second in the league at the moment. Your argument doesn't stand up. You've dug yourself into a bit of a hole here mate.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 17, 2019 16:12:38 GMT
I'm not sure that's right. I don't know what constitutes "being qualified" for the job, but both were good candidates. GR had achieved some success at both Birmingham and Derby at this level. Some people were advocating him to replace Mark Hughes. NJ had won promotion with Luton Town and had them top of the next league straight after that promotion, playing attacking football and scoring lots of goals. How were they not qualified for the jobs they were being asked to do? In the words of Roy Keane, that's nonsense. No it isn't. When has GR ever had a transfer budget of £50m or achieved promotion yet we gave him £50m to achieve promotion. Jones has not even managed in this league. It is quite clear it is another level to League One and he just has no Championship experience - its not a criticism it's a fact. If they wanted a swift return to the Prem, which they have said numerous times is what "the job" is, they did not hire the right man for the job. Twice. Well I disagree. Rowett reached the play-offs the previous season and the board backed him to help him. Jones got his team to the top of two leagues in succession. There must be a number of managers who enjoyed success in League 1 and also the Championship. You telling me that Dean Smith and Billy Wilder fluked it? They were wanting an ambitious young manager with a track record. Both fit the brief. To say they weren't "qualified" is incorrect.
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