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Post by saidothegoalmachine on Sept 18, 2019 21:17:09 GMT
Nathan jones clearly is not working out at Stoke that’s clear to see, yet the board are constantly reluctant to sack Jones which has essentially ruined this season already. He left it too late with Hughes and Rowett
Clubs like Watford sack their manager after poor form and it clearly works
If we had sacked Jones after 4 games the season may well not have been over like it is now
Is Peter Coates scared of delivering the p45? Or brainwashed by Jones’ small talk? Or maybe doesn’t care all that much anymore?
Just doesn’t make any sense
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Post by jebbstuart on Sept 18, 2019 21:52:00 GMT
More compensation to pay another manager off, at present the financial outflows from this club must be cronic!
the band of crap managers seeking to join this club dont have me exactly excited.
we need a new manager but the hardest thing to do is pick one as Coates seems always to want a Uk manager and who is out there who a) wants to come to stoke b) is equipped with the skills to turn this oil tanker of a club round c) would the fans be happy with .
seems we are in a utterly crap position with very limitted options to get ourselves out of it!
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 18, 2019 21:54:01 GMT
I don't get their logic I'd like to hear their defence on keeping jones after being presented these following stats:
200 days since our last home win
Not a league win since April
Lost the last 4 league games on the spin
Worst start to a season in the last century
Whats all the fuss about Coates??
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 18, 2019 22:24:26 GMT
I don't get their logic I'd like to hear their defence on keeping jones after being presented these following stats: 200 days since our last home win Not a league win since April Lost the last 4 league games on the spin Worst start to a season in the last century Whats all the fuss about Coates?? their logic seems to be a) he is a good manager who is doing a lot of good things everywhere else but not on the pitch! b) he is a good manager but he just needs a bit of luck, so after 28 unlucky games, maybe we will now get 28 lucky ones!!! no problem! |
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Post by march4 on Sept 18, 2019 22:45:39 GMT
I suppose when they sack someone they are admitting publicly that they made an error of judgment in appointing him in the first place.
It has never bothered me but then again my decisions don’t end splashed all over the media and internet.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2019 22:47:03 GMT
I don't get their logic I'd like to hear their defence on keeping jones after being presented these following stats: 200 days since our last home win Not a league win since April Lost the last 4 league games on the spin Worst start to a season in the last century Whats all the fuss about Coates?? Win on Saturday and that wipes out your first 3 points, then everyone starts saying things like "Only 1 league win since April" blah, blah, blah. The reality is we are 7 games into a new season with a new squad and we were unlucky to lose 3 of those games. The Board are not leaving it too late to sack him but having invested in him, and new set of management under Jones, and a dozen new players, they are giving him and the rest of the coaching/training team every chance possible to get it sorted. You may be right to say Jones should be sacked, time will tell, but should the rest of his coaching/training/technical team also be sacked so quickly, which would inevitably happen as a new manager will want to assemble his own assistants? |
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Post by Boothen on Sept 18, 2019 22:55:00 GMT
Because the owner is happy with what Jones is doing. I shit you not.
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 18, 2019 23:24:11 GMT
And here we go yet again with what, the 500th thread on the board and sacking Jones. Give it a rest ffs.
Shitbin?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 3:25:53 GMT
There are currently threads on here where people say we sacked Lambert and Rowett too soon...
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Post by starkiller on Sept 19, 2019 3:54:41 GMT
Luck does not exist.
Although it seems to be a religion in football.
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Post by zerps on Sept 19, 2019 5:13:15 GMT
Luck does not exist. Although it seems to be a religion in football. Yes it does |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 19, 2019 6:20:34 GMT
Coates seen what we have seen multi player blunders. We've created chances and missed . Etc. Making do is our downfall not Jones. Cheaper to give out new contracts. Let wait and see if Bruno and Badou stay rather than buying better quality players in advance of the season starting. New players do need time to settle at a new club and in to a new area if they have moved house. It early in the season plenty of games yet is how laid back our club is. We supporters know if we have very few points come the end of week 13 we are likely to be relegated. We then have to win one in two games to stay up. He played 3 of his signings last Saturday is that because they need time to settle  , must be so different from Barnsley, Wigan, Millwall etc. poor little lambs. |
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 19, 2019 6:42:14 GMT
Do we move the ball well, yes he answers in his latest plead to fans in the sentinel. Do we?. I am not sure we move it any differently than we did under Rowett or Lambert?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 19, 2019 7:13:21 GMT
We haven't been unlucky. We've played well here and there, but we are where we deserve to be.
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Post by stokienorthants on Sept 19, 2019 7:18:53 GMT
I don't get their logic I'd like to hear their defence on keeping jones after being presented these following stats: 200 days since our last home win Not a league win since April Lost the last 4 league games on the spin Worst start to a season in the last century Whats all the fuss about Coates?? Win on Saturday and that wipes out your first 3 points, then everyone starts saying things like "Only 1 league win since April" blah, blah, blah. The reality is we are 7 games into a new season with a new squad and we were unlucky to lose 3 of those games. The Board are not leaving it too late to sack him but having invested in him, and new set of management under Jones, and a dozen new players, they are giving him and the rest of the coaching/training team every chance possible to get it sorted. You may be right to say Jones should be sacked, time will tell, but should the rest of his coaching/training/technical team also be sacked so quickly, which would inevitably happen as a new manager will want to assemble his own assistants? Please tell me how a win away at Brentford solves the issue of us going more than 200 days since our last home victory? |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 19, 2019 9:04:03 GMT
Luck does not exist. Although it seems to be a religion in football. Yes it does "I'm not a believer in luck, but I do believe you need it" was just about the most insightful thing Alan Ball ever said. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 19, 2019 10:09:28 GMT
He played 3 of his signings last Saturday is that because they need time to settle , must be so different from Barnsley, Wigan, Millwall etc. poor little lambs. His purchases in general were the squad players. Jones did say several times before the transfer window closed that he still needed a few better quality players in. We've waited to see if Butland, Badou, Bruno left. Starting eleven should include shawcross , Allen, Butland Badou , Bruno , Etebo who was away for a time at the African nations competition. If since Coates is paying their wages we had Allen, Butland ( without his blunders) shawcross Bruno Badou and Etebo from match 1 we would be much higher up the table. He's signed 12 feckin players that's a whole team ! £9m Vokes, 3m Batth and 4m Smith were they really signed as squad players ?, why would you sign replacements for players who have not left the club ?, why has he not signed a decent LB ? we could all see we desperately needed a proper replacement for Pieters who he sold for peanuts to a PL team, why did he sign Cousins as his DM ?, why did he sign a GK as a replacement for Butand who is still here when that GK is now 3rd choice ? most of this makes no sense he's out of his depth and needs to go for everyone's sae. |
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Post by dannymadeley30 on Sept 19, 2019 10:10:07 GMT
Nathan jones clearly is not working out at Stoke that’s clear to see, yet the board are constantly reluctant to sack Jones which has essentially ruined this season already. He left it too late with Hughes and Rowett Clubs like Watford sack their manager after poor form and it clearly works If we had sacked Jones after 4 games the season may well not have been over like it is now Is Peter Coates scared of delivering the p45? Or brainwashed by Jones’ small talk? Or maybe doesn’t care all that much anymore? Just doesn’t make any sense It has to, and I believe WILL happen after we lose at Brentford. |
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Post by maine on Sept 19, 2019 10:48:38 GMT
By now it seems clear that 'god' isn't willing.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2019 12:48:21 GMT
Nathan jones clearly is not working out at Stoke that’s clear to see, yet the board are constantly reluctant to sack Jones which has essentially ruined this season already. He left it too late with Hughes and Rowett 1Clubs like Watford sack their manager after poor form and it clearly works 2If we had sacked Jones after 4 games the season may well not have been over like it is now 3Is Peter Coates scared of delivering the p45? Or brainwashed by Jones’ small talk? Or maybe doesn’t care all that much anymore? 4Just doesn’t make any sense 51. Season is not yet ruined, we are just 7 matches in, or, after the last 3 seasons, were you really expecting Stoke to win the Championship? I agree he left it too late (about a month IMO) to sack Hughes, but the sacking of Rowett was about the right time, when results started to deteriorate again after a 10 game unbeaten run, and he starting to criticize fans who are the customers. 2. Watford have just rehired a manager they sacked - that makes real business sense? 3. Having just signed 12 new players it would be nonsense to sack the manager after 4 games. 4. Peter Coates is an astute successful businessman. He is also compassionate and caring. He does not sack managers on a whim but only when it has been conclusively shown there is nothing to gain from continuing the engagement. He is also considerate of all the other employees that go with the manager; trainers, coaches, tacticians etc. and indeed players who would undergo a major turnover when a new manager is employed. Any responsible manager does not play fast and loose with employees lives and livelihoods. 5. Maybe not to you. But having been a manager of businesses for over 30 years responsible for many hundreds of employees in that time, Peter Coates/ the Board's management ethos makes sense to me. |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 13:49:48 GMT
Nathan jones clearly is not working out at Stoke that’s clear to see, yet the board are constantly reluctant to sack Jones which has essentially ruined this season already. He left it too late with Hughes and Rowett 1Clubs like Watford sack their manager after poor form and it clearly works 2If we had sacked Jones after 4 games the season may well not have been over like it is now 3Is Peter Coates scared of delivering the p45? Or brainwashed by Jones’ small talk? Or maybe doesn’t care all that much anymore? 4Just doesn’t make any sense 51. Season is not yet ruined, we are just 7 matches in, or, after the last 3 seasons, were you really expecting Stoke to win the Championship? I agree he left it too late (about a month IMO) to sack Hughes, but the sacking of Rowett was about the right time, when results started to deteriorate again after a 10 game unbeaten run, and he starting to criticize fans who are the customers. 2. Watford have just rehired a manager they sacked - that makes real business sense? 3. Having just signed 12 new players it would be nonsense to sack the manager after 4 games. 4. Peter Coates is an astute successful businessman. He is also compassionate and caring. He does not sack managers on a whim but only when it has been conclusively shown there is nothing to gain from continuing the engagement. He is also considerate of all the other employees that go with the manager; trainers, coaches, tacticians etc. and indeed players who would undergo a major turnover when a new manager is employed. Any responsible manager does not play fast and loose with employees lives and livelihoods. 5. Maybe not to you. But having been a manager of businesses for over 30 years responsible for many hundreds of employees in that time, Peter Coates/ the Board's management ethos makes sense to me. Makes sense to me too. We all over react to a string of bad results. I still think he's got something, but after 6 losses and 1 draw it's going to take a fairly quick upturn in fortunes to turn it around and establish himself in the job. The next few games will tell us if he's going to do it. Good luck Nathan! |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 19, 2019 14:44:49 GMT
1. Season is not yet ruined, we are just 7 matches in, or, after the last 3 seasons, were you really expecting Stoke to win the Championship? I agree he left it too late (about a month IMO) to sack Hughes, but the sacking of Rowett was about the right time, when results started to deteriorate again after a 10 game unbeaten run, and he starting to criticize fans who are the customers. 2. Watford have just rehired a manager they sacked - that makes real business sense? 3. Having just signed 12 new players it would be nonsense to sack the manager after 4 games. 4. Peter Coates is an astute successful businessman. He is also compassionate and caring. He does not sack managers on a whim but only when it has been conclusively shown there is nothing to gain from continuing the engagement. He is also considerate of all the other employees that go with the manager; trainers, coaches, tacticians etc. and indeed players who would undergo a major turnover when a new manager is employed. Any responsible manager does not play fast and loose with employees lives and livelihoods. 5. Maybe not to you. But having been a manager of businesses for over 30 years responsible for many hundreds of employees in that time, Peter Coates/ the Board's management ethos makes sense to me. Makes sense to me too. We all over react to a string of bad results. I still think he's got something, but after 6 losses and 1 draw it's going to take a fairly quick upturn in fortunes to turn it around and establish himself in the job. The next few games will tell us if he's going to do it. Good luck Nathan! We’re not over-reacting, this string of bad results stretches back three years. |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 15:13:25 GMT
Makes sense to me too. We all over react to a string of bad results. I still think he's got something, but after 6 losses and 1 draw it's going to take a fairly quick upturn in fortunes to turn it around and establish himself in the job. The next few games will tell us if he's going to do it. Good luck Nathan! We’re not over-reacting, this string of bad results stretches back three years. True again. Why do you keep putting hard facts in front of my optimism?! I am looking at this season in isolation. New set up etc. I'm sure we're good enough to start climbing this league. |
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Post by saidothegoalmachine on Sept 19, 2019 17:13:15 GMT
1. Season is not yet ruined, we are just 7 matches in, or, after the last 3 seasons, were you really expecting Stoke to win the Championship? I agree he left it too late (about a month IMO) to sack Hughes, but the sacking of Rowett was about the right time, when results started to deteriorate again after a 10 game unbeaten run, and he starting to criticize fans who are the customers. 2. Watford have just rehired a manager they sacked - that makes real business sense? 3. Having just signed 12 new players it would be nonsense to sack the manager after 4 games. 4. Peter Coates is an astute successful businessman. He is also compassionate and caring. He does not sack managers on a whim but only when it has been conclusively shown there is nothing to gain from continuing the engagement. He is also considerate of all the other employees that go with the manager; trainers, coaches, tacticians etc. and indeed players who would undergo a major turnover when a new manager is employed. Any responsible manager does not play fast and loose with employees lives and livelihoods. 5. Maybe not to you. But having been a manager of businesses for over 30 years responsible for many hundreds of employees in that time, Peter Coates/ the Board's management ethos makes sense to me. Makes sense to me too. We all over react to a string of bad results. I still think he's got something, but after 6 losses and 1 draw it's going to take a fairly quick upturn in fortunes to turn it around and establish himself in the job. The next few games will tell us if he's going to do it. Good luck Nathan! So your telling me Jones will turn this around? Grow up pal |
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Post by stokeson on Sept 19, 2019 17:29:40 GMT
Its only August.Whats the hurry/Fuss?
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 19, 2019 17:55:56 GMT
Ever heard of Alex Ferguson?
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 19, 2019 17:58:00 GMT
Nathan jones clearly is not working out at Stoke that’s clear to see, yet the board are constantly reluctant to sack Jones which has essentially ruined this season already. He left it too late with Hughes and Rowett 1Clubs like Watford sack their manager after poor form and it clearly works 2If we had sacked Jones after 4 games the season may well not have been over like it is now 3Is Peter Coates scared of delivering the p45? Or brainwashed by Jones’ small talk? Or maybe doesn’t care all that much anymore? 4Just doesn’t make any sense 51. Season is not yet ruined, we are just 7 matches in, or, after the last 3 seasons, were you really expecting Stoke to win the Championship? I agree he left it too late (about a month IMO) to sack Hughes, but the sacking of Rowett was about the right time, when results started to deteriorate again after a 10 game unbeaten run, and he starting to criticize fans who are the customers. 2. Watford have just rehired a manager they sacked - that makes real business sense? 3. Having just signed 12 new players it would be nonsense to sack the manager after 4 games. 4. Peter Coates is an astute successful businessman. He is also compassionate and caring. He does not sack managers on a whim but only when it has been conclusively shown there is nothing to gain from continuing the engagement. He is also considerate of all the other employees that go with the manager; trainers, coaches, tacticians etc. and indeed players who would undergo a major turnover when a new manager is employed. Any responsible manager does not play fast and loose with employees lives and livelihoods. 5. Maybe not to you. But having been a manager of businesses for over 30 years responsible for many hundreds of employees in that time, Peter Coates/ the Board's management ethos makes sense to me. What a load of shite that is. If you want to be successful you have to be ruthless look at Leicester and Watford Brighton they don’t mess about. I bet Denise wouldn’t fuck about if a employee was costing bet 365 millions |
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2019 18:22:07 GMT
Makes sense to me too. We all over react to a string of bad results. I still think he's got something, but after 6 losses and 1 draw it's going to take a fairly quick upturn in fortunes to turn it around and establish himself in the job. The next few games will tell us if he's going to do it. Good luck Nathan! We’re not over-reacting, this string of bad results stretches back three years. True, and we on our 4th manager in that time. Maybe we will follow Leeds and have another 10 managers in the next decade before we find a successful one. Who knows? Sorry I forgot Coates should just do whatever the latest vote on Oatcake says. What always makes me smile when I hear the latest call for the manager to be sacked is I remember standing on the terraces in the second half of the 60s week after week, year after year, hearing the shouts for Waddington to be sacked. I wonder what a MB would have been like in those days. |
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 20, 2019 7:33:41 GMT
Some posters say sacking managers quickly and often brings success. I think sacking managers often indicates distress at a club and in many cases leads to decline.
Tiny Accrington Stanley have had John Coleman as manager for around 19 years in two spells, and now find themseles in League 1 mixing it with much bigger clubs.
Since sacking John Rudge the Vale have had 19 managers, including caretakers, in 19 years and find themselves in League 2.
People keep quoting Watford as a club that sacks it's managers on a regular basis, do we really see them as the club we would like to emulate?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2019 7:42:57 GMT
Some posters say sacking managers quickly and often brings success. I think sacking managers often indicates distress at a club and in many cases leads to decline. Tiny Accrington Stanley have had John Coleman as manager for around 19 years in two spells, and now find themseles in League 1 mixing it with much bigger clubs. Since sacking John Rudge the Vale have had 19 managers, including caretakers, in 19 years and find themselves in League 2. People keep quoting Watford as a club that sacks it's managers on a regular basis, do we really see them as the club we would like to emulate? That sounds an awful lot like cherry picking the examples that prove your point and ignoring all the ones that don't Geoff. Watford's model works up to a point but there's a medium between them and what you're suggesting, which is that it becomes clear when a manager's cycle has ended and a change after that time is best for everybody, provided you identify and appoint the right man. That's why the Sporting Director model is gaining such traction, because it allows the club to have a sense of direction and a set of underpinning principles that dictate the recruitment of the manager as much as the players and every other aspect of the footballing side. They've got to be the right fit for the project. The cult of the manager and the potential damage his exit can do is theoretically minimised by that. |
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, must be so different from Barnsley, Wigan, Millwall etc. poor little lambs. 
