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Mclean
Jul 18, 2020 20:34:38 GMT
Post by Scrotnig on Jul 18, 2020 20:34:38 GMT
I’m sorry but what the hell is there to be positive about? We didn’t get relegated to league one. Wooooooo It’s pathetic. This club needs a massive overhaul and fans patting each other on the back isn’t what we need. If a root and branch overhaul isn’t forthcoming very little changes. Well said. The fact that we have just avoided relegation, with the amount of money we have spent, is no short of a fucking disgrace. But the happy clappers gotta clap haven't they. No. I'm delighted we stayed up, and I'm really impressed with the job our manager did in turning us round. That was a proper job, that was. I am happy, in and of this moment. I accept though that we had and still have massive problems and the fact we are 'celebrating' avoiding the drop to Tier 3 is a measure of how far we have fallen. It's a disgrace. Lots and lots of work to be done BUT what this proves is we have properly started on the road to recovery now, and we finally have a manager who can do it. Something that's worth a modicum of cheer, surely?
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 18, 2020 20:29:24 GMT
He needs to go. For his sake and ours.
I was a massive fan of his back in the day, but he's simply a liability now.
Davies is good enough for the job. We then need a new number 2.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 18, 2020 20:27:14 GMT
To be sat here in a saturday with one game to go knowing we are safe is such a relief. I cannot tell you how nice it feels to be in this position.its the wrong end of the table but we were cut adrift and stinking like a bucket of shit when we sacked the welsh weasel (could describe both Hughes and jones) but the job he has done is nothing short of phenomenal. The calmness he exudes is very welcoming. We have been a club in a manic spiral of decline for far too long. The good days are coming back under uncle michael and again we will learn to love everything about stoke. Totally against the stoke manner of recent to be enjoying watching all the others scrapping it out and sweating about survival. It's a great weekend and may I raise a glass to our new messiah of scfc. I agree entirely. As I said earlier, this is an escape worthy of the one King Tone pulled off in his very first part-season with us. That was ultimately the catalyst for a lot of good things that followed later, though we could not have known at the time. Here's hoping this similar critical moment in our history has similar ramifications for the future.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 18, 2020 20:24:17 GMT
I agree with others. Now that it can't be us, I really don't give two hoots who goes down.
We came up with the goods in the end and that's all I care about.
I can sit here smugly now and watch other teams fret about it because we don't have to, thanks to our frankly incredible manager.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 18, 2020 14:57:32 GMT
So a win at Forest would do it despite being on something like 8 points after 15 games. Incredible. Yep. Whether we can beat Forest is another matter entirely of course, but who thought we'd beat Brentford today? Even the fact that we are this close to beating last season's points tally is an unbelievable achievement in itself.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 18, 2020 14:55:50 GMT
Yeah I think he's decent and he could easily become our first choice keeper. I'm sorry but I never want to see Jack play for us again. He's finished. I am very sad to say.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 18, 2020 14:53:28 GMT
55 points last season I believe.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 18, 2020 14:41:51 GMT
Yep, some of the abuse of players on the matchday thread on the day we guaranteed safety was a little baffling and unwarranted. Whilst I'm not defending such behaviour, the issue is that this set of players have mostly done nothing to endear the fans to them, at times being openly contemptuous. I think that's where it comes from. To many, they don't always feel like Stoke players, merely players who happen to be wearing the shirt.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 18, 2020 14:31:32 GMT
To be honest at this point in time I am only focusing on the frankly amazing job MON has done in taking is from where we were when he took the job (dead and buried) to where we are now (safe with a game to spare).
That is frankly magnificent and an escape job worthy of the very best "escape from relegation specialist" managers in the entire league.
Let us not ever forget that, it's a very, very big moment in our history.
It's certainly on a par with Tone's first season great escape.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 18, 2020 14:25:13 GMT
I don't bear him any ill will, however he deservedly owns the title of "worst manager in the club's history", having easily overtaken absolutely all the other contenders (of which there are a few).
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 15, 2020 21:05:43 GMT
McClean is certainly a Marmite player isn't he!
Overall, I like him. I don't really care about his politics...I don't agree with his views but he absolutely has the right to hold them and I actually applaud him for having the courage to speak out rather than just be yet another bland public figure who tries not to offend anyone ever. Good on him. I support wearing poppies but absolutely abhor attempts at 'shaming' him because he doesn't want to wear one. Poppy fascism is not a good thing.
As for him as a footballer, well I think he does a good job for us given the circumstances (a crap team!) and he isn't afraid to get stuck in. Of course, there are more talented players than him but I reckon if he were surrounded by a decent set of players he'd be immense. You at least know he'll turn up on the day and give his all. I wish we could say the same for others.
Definitely a candidate for player of the season for me.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 26, 2020 15:32:04 GMT
If we keep up our recent decline, there won't be an issue - the number of people actually wanting to go won't cause any problems!
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 17, 2020 23:29:16 GMT
Also why did Mrs Rashford have 5 children? Perhaps if she had two or three then she would have put food on the table? All that will happen now is the majority of parents will spend it on cigarettes gambling and booze which I notice was mentioned in parliament by some conservative MP yesterday. Absolutely outrageous comment on multiple levels. How can you even say that? Do you have any idea what people in the position Mrs Rashford was in, and the parents you mention, actually had/have to face, day in, day out, over and over again with no end in sight? If you did you surely wouldn't make vile comments like that. Oh and as others have said you can't use the vouchers for cigarettes, gambling or booze. I'm quite sure you know that. You should just try living that they have to. Just for a day. Just try it.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 17, 2020 23:25:09 GMT
I for one applaud Marcus. We could do with a few more players like him that can be seen as proper role models. He's been brilliant. I can't think of a better example of a top football player using using his position to leverage something that is for the greater good of society. I like how he now says there's more to do. About time there was a top footballer young people (and anyone) could actually look up to as a proper role model. Cannot think of anyone better. What's also impressive is how well he articulates himself and how intelligent he clearly is. So many footballers are inarticulate airheads. Well done Mr Rashford. Just as I had started to despair of footballers and football generally.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 16, 2020 17:35:35 GMT
Am I the only one who actually doesn't care about this? I feel terrible about thinking this way, but I just find I don't care about the game or the result, and I just wish the whole thing had been called off. I'm sorry....
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 10, 2020 13:25:09 GMT
This is not football. This is not fun. This is not entertainment. Scrap the lot. But it is a job to a lot of people and not just the footballers. I maintain if it can be done safely, then it should resume. It isn't just about you enjoying a couple of hours now is it, although yes I get that is a huge part of it personally for ourselves. The problem is, if nobody enjoys it the jobs will go anyway. It's sad and terrible and, don't get me wrong, I'd love it to restart, but there are far too many people within the clubs coming down with the virus. It's a recipe for disaster. If anyone gets this badly and dies, football is over for a very long time.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 10, 2020 0:10:54 GMT
This is not football. This is not fun. This is not entertainment.
Scrap the lot.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 6, 2020 18:08:35 GMT
Not going to be fans at games until *at least* the start of the 2021/2022 season, in my opinion.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 6, 2020 17:24:53 GMT
Looks like the aim is to have 25% capacity crowds by September. Sez who?
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Post by Scrotnig on May 30, 2020 16:39:06 GMT
How many thousands are going to die as a result of coming out of lockdown too early? This isn't a political mis-step, this is planned mass murder on a scale that would make Stalin blush. Hyperbole, much? Sheesh. What is your plan then? Lock everyone up indefinitely?
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Post by Scrotnig on May 30, 2020 16:37:14 GMT
Nobody is going to stay locked up in their houses indefinitely. And there is no infinite supply of money to pay them to do so.
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Post by Scrotnig on May 23, 2020 16:53:22 GMT
Shapps did it because he was told to and he is a spineless toady. People all over the country are now going to use their 'common sense' and when they're sick, simply get in their cars, visit petrol stations, public toilets, motorway services, all the while spreading the virus. How on earth has that briefing been allowed to happen? The majority are not that stupid and won’t do that.
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Post by Scrotnig on May 16, 2020 21:08:59 GMT
Couldn't give a shite about bundesliga, or football behind closed door anywhere, I want to get to my seat and sing, that's when I'll care again. I agree. It’s pointless until then. Sadly August 2022 is my prediction for that happening.
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Post by Scrotnig on May 15, 2020 16:45:10 GMT
Absolutely no point in planning anything around "wait until there's a vaccinne". As most of the scientists will tell you, the greatest likelihood is that there will never be one. It's interesting, have you seen that clip of the Swedish scientist talking to a New Zealand TV programme about coming out of lockdown? He makes the point that governments made zero pan as to how we should come out of lockdown. So, literally, this mythical vaccine is the only change case to our current lockdown, other than just coming out of lockdown into a second peak. There is no other plan. Staying in lockdown forever isn't an option and was never the attention. The economy needs to keep going otherwise there's no funding for healthcare or anything else.
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Post by Scrotnig on May 15, 2020 15:13:00 GMT
The thing is, what would have to happen to make it safe for normal activity like attending footie matches happen? As it stands, there's absolutely nothing preventing a second spike in cases if we did ease such lockdown measures. The only thing to change that would be a vaccine. And that sounds like it'll be mid-2021 before it's available, and it'll take months to roll out after that: www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51665497Absolutely no point in planning anything around "wait until there's a vaccinne". As most of the scientists will tell you, the greatest likelihood is that there will never be one.
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Post by Scrotnig on May 14, 2020 23:08:45 GMT
August 2022 is when I think crowds will be fully back in grounds, though you may see smaller attendances allowed before then. Nothing at all before August 2021 though.
Me personally....as per the poster above I’ve probably seen my last live game. Disappointing but I’ve already seen the best of this club in the Prem years so I’m ok with it. I think. I hope.
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Post by Scrotnig on May 14, 2020 11:46:48 GMT
Boris's school reopening plans in chaos as government scientific advisor admits there is 'low confidence' pupils can't spread coronavirus and ministers have NO idea if it will trigger a second wave in 'shocking and disturbing' linkAnything the Daily Mail describe as "shocking and disturbing", isn't. It's a toxic shitstirring rag and nothing it publishes should be given any credence whatsoever.
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Post by Scrotnig on May 13, 2020 18:48:38 GMT
None of these 'restarts' will happen, and many clubs will go bust.
I've been to think of how football might look when it actually IS able to restart, in a couple of years' time.
I think my favourite theory is just the Premier League will exist, but split into two divisions.
Or maybe the Premier League and the Championship, but potentially with 16 teams in each. Assuming 32 clubs of that stature still exist.
If there are any clubs from League 1 or 2 still surviving they will go non-league, but I suspect you're only talking about a very small handful. Plus the few Championship clubs that don't fit into the 16 mentioned earlier.
I think many of us have not yet realised the catastrophic implications of the current situation for football. It is very nearly over.
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Post by Scrotnig on May 13, 2020 14:27:24 GMT
It's all very well scientists saying we should keep the economy shut down and lock everyone in their houses 24/7 until there's a vaccine. It isn't practical and a balance has to be struck. These same scientists have guaranteed jobs with index linked pensions. Take away their salary and pension and say you can't have it unless we have a functioning economy. You'd soon see their advice change. It's easy for them to condemn everyone except themselves to poverty, destitution and house arrest. You make it sound a bit harsh but that is the reality. It becomes about managing risk and people have a weird concept when it comes to risk that changes over time. Individuals start to balance the risk of catching coronavirus, against the risk of dying from coronavirus, against the risk of losing your job/business and running out of money/food. These are all real concerns. The scientists operate in a black & white world view that there is only a life & death choice related to the pandemic. The truth sadly is a lot more grey. It’s a bit like if you go to the doctor (in normal times) with a fairly minor ailment. He says you need two months off work, you say you can’t afford to go that. He might reply, “I know, but medically that is my advice.”
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Post by Scrotnig on May 13, 2020 13:23:33 GMT
It's all very well scientists saying we should keep the economy shut down and lock everyone in their houses 24/7 until there's a vaccine. It isn't practical and a balance has to be struck. These same scientists have guaranteed jobs with index linked pensions. Take away their salary and pension and say you can't have it unless we have a functioning economy. You'd soon see their advice change. It's easy for them to condemn everyone except themselves to poverty, destitution and house arrest. But they haven't said keep the lockdown in place until there is a vaccine. They've said keep it in place until the test, track and trace protocols are ready, which the government have said will be ready by the end of the month, which in turn would make us timewise, roughly on a par with other countries coming out of lockdown now. Essentially they're suggesting we should have waited another couple of weeks. Well we mostly ARE waiting another couple of weeks, and even then it will not be much. Things are being spun by the media as if there's some sort of big change happening this week. There isn't. People who were already told they could go to work, are again being told they can go to work. We hope to open a tiny bit of the school system - but not for a couple of weeks at least. You can go out alone for longer or meet one other person outside. You can go to a garden centre. Some takeaways who were never supposed to close, are slowly but only partially reopening. Er that's about it. It's not like we've opened the floodgates, and anyone healthy who is still so terrified that they feel the need to hide under a rock until there's a vaccine, can do so, just as long as they don't expect the free money to continue that long. Even then they've got until the end of October!
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