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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 30, 2016 9:27:54 GMT
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Post by britsabroad on Nov 30, 2016 11:12:02 GMT
If they dont like it they could always go and get a job. Crazy idea i know.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 30, 2016 11:30:22 GMT
If they dont like it they could always go and get a job. Crazy idea i know. To be fair there are genuine cases of people who can not work due to ill health and disability, I spent over 12 years in the Welfare to work sector which is a real eye opener, I have interviewed thousands of individuals claiming benefits many who are quite capable of working, the barriers need addressing many are put up by the claimants which can be overcome if there is a will to do so. The amount of times I have heard benefits described as wages sickened me, the benefit trap is often used as an excuse but in my experience it is a self inflicted situation bought on by the claimants themselves, they know how to access different benefits, the system is open to abuse and needs tightening up but in a sympathetic way so it does not impact on the weakest in society, the benefit system was introduced for a short term support mechanism not a lifestyle choice. |
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Post by manmarking on Nov 30, 2016 11:31:13 GMT
If they dont like it they could always go and get a job. Crazy idea i know. The economic system we insist on using requires there to be a certain number of unemployed so literally you're right - it is a crazy idea because it's impossible for at least some on benefits to go and get a job. Safe to say that if you have a like off carps, you're talking uneducated bollocks  |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 30, 2016 11:40:47 GMT
"We're all in it together" What a brilliant & innovative policy Austerity has been.
The Torys, £@#&!ng folk over for centuries...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 11:46:44 GMT
If they dont like it they could always go and get a job. Crazy idea i know. Hey hers is a crazy idea, I worked 30 years on the pots pissing in a jug under the bench working through breakfast and dinner to buy my house and put food on the table.
When my health failed I thought , well at least I've paid lots of NI so I'll be looked after.
Guess what despite my doctor refusing to rule me fit to work this government backed by idiots like you decided to stop my exuberant £8 a week which was calculated on my wifes earnings and reduce it to £0!.
So if some smart arse can tell me how to get some benefits without lying through my teeth. I'm listening.
Alternatively if someone wants to employ me while I can do most things for 5 minutes until I need to sit down for a rest then I'm open to that too.
DO NOT JUDGE EVERYONE BY MEDIA STANDARDS.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 30, 2016 12:12:22 GMT
Carps in "likes two fairly contradictory posts" shock |
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Post by trentvale68 on Nov 30, 2016 12:28:32 GMT
If they dont like it they could always go and get a job. Crazy idea i know. To be fair there are genuine cases of people who can not work due to ill health and disability, I spent over 12 years in the Welfare to work sector which is a real eye opener, I have interviewed thousands of individuals claiming benefits many who are quite capable of working, the barriers need addressing many are put up by the claimants which can be overcome if there is a will to do so. The amount of times I have heard benefits described as wages sickened me, the benefit trap is often used as an excuse but in my experience it is a self inflicted situation bought on by the claimants themselves, they know how to access different benefits, the system is open to abuse and needs tightening up but in a sympathetic way so it does not impact on the weakest in society, the benefit system was introduced for a short term support mechanism not a lifestyle choice. Just out of curiosity Carp, when you were doing this, were the controversial targets for sanctioning people coming in then?? |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 30, 2016 14:42:38 GMT
To be fair there are genuine cases of people who can not work due to ill health and disability, I spent over 12 years in the Welfare to work sector which is a real eye opener, I have interviewed thousands of individuals claiming benefits many who are quite capable of working, the barriers need addressing many are put up by the claimants which can be overcome if there is a will to do so. The amount of times I have heard benefits described as wages sickened me, the benefit trap is often used as an excuse but in my experience it is a self inflicted situation bought on by the claimants themselves, they know how to access different benefits, the system is open to abuse and needs tightening up but in a sympathetic way so it does not impact on the weakest in society, the benefit system was introduced for a short term support mechanism not a lifestyle choice. Just out of curiosity Carp, when you were doing this, were the controversial targets for sanctioning people coming in then?? Indeed they were, though never really came across a case that did not warrant it at that time, it was over three years ago so things may have changed in that time. |
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Post by lommack on Nov 30, 2016 15:09:43 GMT
If they dont like it they could always go and get a job. Crazy idea i know. This ill informed codswallop goes some way to explain how both the working class and poor have been successfully demonised in this country. Scum, chav, feckless, feral etc. etc. all right wing propaganda swallowed by right wing "i'm alright middle class jacks", who probably haven't got a fucking clue/give a flying fuck what it's really like to be poor/unemployed/desperate in this country (cue the "I only ate lard and drank from puddles until I was 18 then and I pulled myself from the gutter and became a merchant banker bollocks). Just a thought read the link from the op and then (just for a minute) think about that £360 million they are spending on gold shitters and sinks for a family who have done nothing but to be fortunate at birth A country run by the establishment for the establishment. vive la revolution! |
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Post by manmarking on Nov 30, 2016 15:19:44 GMT
If they dont like it they could always go and get a job. Crazy idea i know. This ill informed codswallop goes some way to explain how both the working class and poor have been successfully demonised in this country. Scum, chav, feckless, feral etc. etc. all right wing propaganda swallowed by right wing "i'm alright middle class jacks", who probably haven't got a fucking clue/give a flying fuck what it's really like to be poor/unemployed/desperate in this country (cue the "I only ate lard and drank from puddles until I was 18 then and I pulled myself from the gutter and became a merchant banker bollocks). Just a thought read the link from the op and then (just for a minute) think about that £360 million they are spending on gold shitters and sinks for a family who have done nothing but to be fortunate at birth A country run by the establishment for the establishment. vive la revolution! Top post  |
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Post by Northy on Nov 30, 2016 15:21:57 GMT
so if Im reading that correctly, some people who are able to work, couldnt prove they are actively seeking work so got their job seekers allowance stopped, but only in some areas? Feck me what are some areas doing giving tax payers money away for nothing then? Surely if they did their jobs correctly then there would be more for the real benefits claimants? |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Nov 30, 2016 15:46:12 GMT
If they dont like it they could always go and get a job. Crazy idea i know. is this a kids forum? |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Nov 30, 2016 15:47:38 GMT
they'd have you thinking there were about 40 million people on the dole who are not taking work out of choice. Shame so many fall for it.
Suppose it does give people chance to boast though, as in "I'd happily work for 30p an hour" or "I'd work 20 hours a day to make end meat". You either wouldn't or you'd be stupid if you did.
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Post by blurtonboy on Nov 30, 2016 17:03:34 GMT
I took a job once, that after taking everything into account IE, Rent & Council tax rebates v Wages coming into the house etc, I actually worked for a company earning £1 per hour, more than I was receiving on Benefits, this was trying too support a wife & 3 kids.
40 hours out of my life, travelling an hour a day, just to earn after tax an extra what? £20 odd quid.
Wonder who the Government were then?
Let me think?
LABOUR, WITH MR BLAIR.
Each government is toss & never looks after the majority of the British public, that is why I have never voted in a General Election.
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Post by felonious on Nov 30, 2016 17:49:17 GMT
I took a job once, that after taking everything into account IE, Rent & Council tax rebates v Wages coming into the house etc, I actually worked for a company earning £1 per hour, more than I was receiving on Benefits, this was trying too support a wife & 3 kids. 40 hours out of my life, travelling an hour a day, just to earn after tax an extra what? £20 odd quid. .Wonder who the Government were then? Let me think? LABOUR, WITH MR BLAIR Each government is toss & never looks after the majority of the British public, that is why I have never voted in a General Election. The old man was made redundant aged 64 and a quarter. By this time he'd been too knackered to work for at least five years but dragged himself to a manual job and never missed a day. At his age and state of health and so close to retirement there was no way of getting a job. When he was asked to attend a third medical he told them where to go.
Wonder who the Government were then?
Let me think?
LABOUR, WITH MR BLAIR
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 30, 2016 18:14:31 GMT
If they dont like it they could always go and get a job. Crazy idea i know. NAZI  |
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Post by mrred on Nov 30, 2016 18:24:56 GMT
If they dont like it they could always go and get a job. Crazy idea i know. Moronic, sweeping statement from someone with very little understanding of the sort of people thst access benefits. |
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 30, 2016 19:32:46 GMT
I took a job once, that after taking everything into account IE, Rent & Council tax rebates v Wages coming into the house etc, I actually worked for a company earning £1 per hour, more than I was receiving on Benefits, this was trying too support a wife & 3 kids. 40 hours out of my life, travelling an hour a day, just to earn after tax an extra what? £20 odd quid. .Wonder who the Government were then? Let me think? LABOUR, WITH MR BLAIR Each government is toss & never looks after the majority of the British public, that is why I have never voted in a General Election. The old man was made redundant aged 64 and a quarter. By this time he'd been too knackered to work for at least five years but dragged himself to a manual job and never missed a day. At his age and state of health and so close to retirement there was no way of getting a job. When he was asked to attend a third medical he told them where to go.
Wonder who the Government were then?
Let me think?
LABOUR, WITH MR BLAIR
You can't be providing a balanced view for fuck sake, don't you know the rules. |
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Post by britsabroad on Dec 1, 2016 1:20:41 GMT
If they dont like it they could always go and get a job. Crazy idea i know. NAZI Shhhhh. They're all disabled/unfit to work I have since discovered. |
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Post by redstriper on Dec 1, 2016 11:20:03 GMT
Blaming the tories and championing labour is just perpetuating the current status quo where a tiny percentage are making like bandits, another tiny percentage are idle fraudsters, and the rest of us (blue collar and white collar alike) are either struggling financially or working ridiculous hours to be able to afford to pay twice for healthcare and education because the state infrastructure can't cope with the changing demographic and rising population. If anyone still thinks a change of government between these two is actually going to improve things for the hard working population they have more faith than me.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 1, 2016 13:26:31 GMT
Blaming the tories and championing labour is just perpetuating the current status quo where a tiny percentage are making like bandits, another tiny percentage are idle fraudsters, and the rest of us (blue collar and white collar alike) are either struggling financially or working ridiculous hours to be able to afford to pay twice for healthcare and education because the state infrastructure can't cope with the changing demographic and rising population. If anyone still thinks a change of government between these two is actually going to improve things for the hard working population they have more faith than me. The world has been going Right since the late 70's, not by my hand I might say & now we're just seeing a progression of this. The world is becoming desensitised & more inhuman. It's the dystopian dream... |
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Post by manmarking on Dec 1, 2016 13:54:53 GMT
Blaming the tories and championing labour is just perpetuating the current status quo where a tiny percentage are making like bandits, another tiny percentage are idle fraudsters, and the rest of us (blue collar and white collar alike) are either struggling financially or working ridiculous hours to be able to afford to pay twice for healthcare and education because the state infrastructure can't cope with the changing demographic and rising population. If anyone still thinks a change of government between these two is actually going to improve things for the hard working population they have more faith than me. The difficulty is that the neoliberalism movement has made everyone reliant on low tax rates which simply don't pay for the services we all expect. Those on low and middle incomes can't afford to pay more tax because their wages have remained stagnant since the 1980s (while profit margins and debt levels have gone through the roof). Those that can afford to pay more - a lot more - have never had it so good. They run the system, buy the politicians and policies they need, and generally do/pay whatever they like. Although many of the rich therefore don't want to pay for the NHS, roads, schools etc., some are very willing to pay for the propaganda that tells us what a drain benefits cheats and the like are. As annoying as benefits cheats are, the simple maths of it is that they should be way down the priority list if we want to actually afford our lifestyle. Of course they're a burden but they're not the biggest drain. The rich don't want us to think about that though, because they do very well indeed from keeping our focus elsewhere, our credit cards stacked and our wages suppressed  We can't have our oatcake and eat it. Top rate of income tax used to be 95+% back in the day. It doesn't take a genius to work out that when you slash that to 40% and add in globalised finance that makes offshore chicanery easier than ever, we can't afford a system that was set up under much higher tax rates. The alternative, which we're inexorably implementing, is the American system. In short, if you can't pay, you don't matter. Money is more important than people. The rich win and everyone else loses. Decision time. |
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Post by trentvale68 on Dec 1, 2016 17:29:41 GMT
Excellent post from Manmarking. Neoliberalism is just the friendly face of fascism. You don't need boots and guns when you can sanction people and remove their ability to eat and stay warm. Its eugenics, clothed in a false mantra of fairness to the taxpayer. Until your circumstances take a bad turn and you need to access the benefits system, you couldn't possibly comprehend the sheer viciousness and lack of humanity that is encouraged in the system.
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Post by Northy on Dec 2, 2016 6:17:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 13:14:13 GMT
I took a job once, that after taking everything into account IE, Rent & Council tax rebates v Wages coming into the house etc, I actually worked for a company earning £1 per hour, more than I was receiving on Benefits, this was trying too support a wife & 3 kids. 40 hours out of my life, travelling an hour a day, just to earn after tax an extra what? £20 odd quid. .Wonder who the Government were then? Let me think? LABOUR, WITH MR BLAIR Each government is toss & never looks after the majority of the British public, that is why I have never voted in a General Election. The old man was made redundant aged 64 and a quarter. By this time he'd been too knackered to work for at least five years but dragged himself to a manual job and never missed a day. At his age and state of health and so close to retirement there was no way of getting a job. When he was asked to attend a third medical he told them where to go.
Wonder who the Government were then?
Let me think?
LABOUR, WITH MR BLAIR
You are very much mistaken if you think Mr Blair represented the true definition of the Labour Party. |
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 2, 2016 13:22:30 GMT
The old man was made redundant aged 64 and a quarter. By this time he'd been too knackered to work for at least five years but dragged himself to a manual job and never missed a day. At his age and state of health and so close to retirement there was no way of getting a job. When he was asked to attend a third medical he told them where to go.
Wonder who the Government were then?
Let me think?
LABOUR, WITH MR BLAIR
You are very much mistaken if you think Mr Blair represented the true definition of the Labour Party. He was New Labour, but even though, they were not like the Nasties |
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Post by manmarking on Dec 2, 2016 18:14:27 GMT
Excellent post from Manmarking. Neoliberalism is just the friendly face of fascism. You don't need boots and guns when you can sanction people and remove their ability to eat and stay warm. Its eugenics, clothed in a false mantra of fairness to the taxpayer. Until your circumstances take a bad turn and you need to access the benefits system, you couldn't possibly comprehend the sheer viciousness and lack of humanity that is encouraged in the system. Yep. No such thing as society and all that. |
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Post by manmarking on Dec 2, 2016 18:25:50 GMT
It's really very simple. If the rich want the tax burden to be spread more equally then wages will have to be spread more equally. Like they used to be. If the rich want wages to be so disproportionately awarded then they have two choices. 1. The logical conclusion of neoliberalism - they live in islands of wealth surrounded by seas of poverty. Peering out from steel and glass protected by security guards and barred windows. Like Panama or Venezuela or South Africa. 2. Pay more fucking tax. It's basic maths |
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Post by kidsgroveboxxy on Dec 3, 2016 23:49:24 GMT
For a minute I thought this thread was going to discuss my 18th Birthday.
Oh well...
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