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Mar 6, 2024 21:27:18 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 6, 2024 21:27:18 GMT
Something to be proud of? Or Ashamed of ? Or neither? Or both?
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Mar 6, 2024 21:35:16 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 6, 2024 21:35:16 GMT
English what?
Language? Football? Judiciary? Literature? Breakfast?
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Mar 6, 2024 21:43:07 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 6, 2024 21:43:07 GMT
English what? Language? Football? Judiciary? Literature? Breakfast? Nationality
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Post by danceswithclams on Mar 6, 2024 22:01:45 GMT
Something to be proud of? Or Ashamed of ? Or neither? Or both? The standard of English used on this messageboard is definitely something to be ashamed of.
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Mar 6, 2024 22:04:03 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 6, 2024 22:04:03 GMT
Something to be proud of? Or Ashamed of ? Or neither? Or both? The standard of English used on this messageboard is definitely something to be ashamed of. Thank you very much
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Post by innocentbystander on Mar 6, 2024 22:04:25 GMT
There can't be many English people without a bit of Scots/Irish/Welsh ancestry.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 6, 2024 22:18:34 GMT
English what? Language? Football? Judiciary? Literature? Breakfast? Nationality I'm not even sure what that means. Just flipping the question for a second ... Is there another nation on earth, where I think the people of that nation should feel proud of where they were born? Not particularly. Is there a nation on earth, where I think the people of that nation should feel ashamed of where they were born? Not particularly. And I guess that's how most people from other nations see us. If somebody judged me one way or the other because of where i was born, I'd be desperately dissapointed, I'd much prefer they judge me for who I am. It's ME who I should be proud of and ME who I should be ashamed of, where and when necessary.
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Mar 6, 2024 23:06:01 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 6, 2024 23:06:01 GMT
I'm not even sure what that means. Just flipping the question for a second ... Is there another nation on earth, where I think the people of that nation should feel proud of where they were born? Not particularly. Is there a nation on earth, where I think the people of that nation should feel ashamed of where they were born? Not particularly. And I guess that's how most people from other nations see us. If somebody judged me one way or the other because of where i was born, I'd be desperately dissapointed, I'd much prefer they judge me for who I am. It's ME who I should be proud of and ME who I should be ashamed of, where and when necessary. So.... neither
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 6, 2024 23:06:24 GMT
I’ve always been a proud Englishman but the country itself is unrecognisable from even ten years ago. I nearly hate it in fact
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 6, 2024 23:33:00 GMT
I'm not even sure what that means. Just flipping the question for a second ... Is there another nation on earth, where I think the people of that nation should feel proud of where they were born? Not particularly. Is there a nation on earth, where I think the people of that nation should feel ashamed of where they were born? Not particularly. And I guess that's how most people from other nations see us. If somebody judged me one way or the other because of where i was born, I'd be desperately dissapointed, I'd much prefer they judge me for who I am. It's ME who I should be proud of and ME who I should be ashamed of, where and when necessary. So.... neither Explain what it means to you BJR and I'll try and have a crack at it. I just don't understand how you cam be proud or ashamed over something you had absolutely no say in.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 6, 2024 23:37:44 GMT
Why would anyone be ashamed of being English? It’s one of the best and safest countries in the World to live in.
I can understand why people may hate certain elements of English society as no one can like everything. However, the idea of an English person hating being English seems stupid.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 6, 2024 23:42:26 GMT
Explain to me what it means to you BJR and I'll try and have a crack at it. I just don't understand how you cam be proud or ashamed over something you had absolutely no say in. Just asking for opinions Paul. Your " crack" seems fine to me. It seems to me that Nationality is part of identity.... and some people are proud of that part of their identity, or perhaps more accurately fiercely protective of it..... I'm just wondering what others think, perhaps to clarify my own thinking.
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Mar 7, 2024 0:00:05 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2024 0:00:05 GMT
Explain to me what it means to you BJR and I'll try and have a crack at it. I just don't understand how you cam be proud or ashamed over something you had absolutely no say in. Just asking for opinions Paul. Your " crack" seems fine to me. It seems to me that Nationality is part of identity.... and some people are proud of that part of their identity, or perhaps more accurately fiercely protective of it..... I'm just wondering what others think, perhaps to clarify my own thinking. Fair do's mate, I could have been born in any country, so for me, it's no different to me being proud of being born right handed or being born tall. I would assume that somebody who is proud of being born English, would equally be as proud of being born Dutch, if they were born in Holland. I know that you teach religious studies BJR, so I assume that you're aware that the Bible regards pride as a sin and sees it as the opposite of humility. Proverbs 11:2 “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.” Proverbs 16:5 “The LORD detests all the proud of heart."
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Mar 7, 2024 0:11:56 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 7, 2024 0:11:56 GMT
Just asking for opinions Paul. Your " crack" seems fine to me. It seems to me that Nationality is part of identity.... and some people are proud of that part of their identity, or perhaps more accurately fiercely protective of it..... I'm just wondering what others think, perhaps to clarify my own thinking. Fair do's mate, I could have been born in any country, so for me, it's no different to me being proud of being born right handed or being born tall. I would assume that somebody who is proud of being born English, would equally be as proud of being born Dutch, if they were born in Holland. I know that you teach religious studies BJR, so I assume that you're aware that the Bible regards pride as a sin and sees it as the opposite of humility. Proverbs 11:2 “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.” Proverbs 16:5 “The LORD detests all the proud of heart." Whether the bible is relevant is a whole different issue. As I say perhaps some people being protective of their national identity is a better phrasing.
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Mar 7, 2024 0:13:07 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2024 0:13:07 GMT
Fair do's mate, I could have been born in any country, so for me, it's no different to me being proud of being born right handed or being born tall. I would assume that somebody who is proud of being born English, would equally be as proud of being born Dutch, if they were born in Holland. I know that you teach religious studies BJR, so I assume that you're aware that the Bible regards pride as a sin and sees it as the opposite of humility. Proverbs 11:2 “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.” Proverbs 16:5 “The LORD detests all the proud of heart." Whether the bible is relevant is a whole different issue. As I say perhaps some people being protective of their national identity is a better phrasing. Patriotism then?
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Mar 7, 2024 0:17:26 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 7, 2024 0:17:26 GMT
Whether the bible is relevant is a whole different issue. As I say perhaps some people being protective of their national identity is a better phrasing. Patriotism then? Part of identity? personal and family history?
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Mar 7, 2024 0:31:22 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2024 0:31:22 GMT
Part of identity? personal and family history? That's why I asked you right at the start, what are you referring to? And you answered "Nationality" but have since qualified your answer to be "people being protective of their national identity is a better phrasing." Nationalism is different (and much worse) than Patriotism for me. Was just trying to establish what it is you wanted to discuss. theconversation.com/what-is-the-difference-between-nationalism-and-patriotism-208170
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 7, 2024 0:39:54 GMT
I’ve always been a proud Englishman and felt fortunate that I live in a country that on the whole is a good place to live with a proud history.
More recently though and in particular since covid it feels like the fun has gone out of living here.
Everyone appears to want to have a pop at England and it’s people (even our own and it goes beyond politics) saying how we’re this, that and the other and it feels like there’s a real weakness and inability to collectively puff our chests out and protest at all the insults. Instead we seem to happily take insults on how awful we are and have been for many years and passively roll over.
As one of the most free and welcoming places in the world I find insulting and it really pisses me off. It never felt like this before even as recently as 10 years ago.
Now I’m happy to go with Paul’s view that if you’re happy with yourself then that’s good enough for me.
I am fortunate enough to know that with all the negativity from a personal perspective there’s a lot of good uns from all backgrounds and colours and I’ll take that as how I judge this country.
It feels like the best life is one where any news is blocked.
Ignorance is bliss.
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Post by danceswithclams on Mar 7, 2024 5:59:33 GMT
These days, if you say you're English you'll be arrested and thrown in jail.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 7, 2024 6:11:55 GMT
I'd like to take the sporting approach and be nationality fluid, switching when it's going to benefit me the most.
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Post by deeside2 on Mar 7, 2024 6:19:46 GMT
I’ve always been a proud Englishman but the country itself is unrecognisable from even ten years ago. I nearly hate it in fact Spot on mate - that's exactly how I feel.
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Mar 7, 2024 6:22:15 GMT
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Post by chuffedstokie on Mar 7, 2024 6:22:15 GMT
Got to be proud, I am even with my tranche of Welsh chucked in (dads side). The industrial revolution didn't start anywhere else, steam power changed everything, we did that and that's our heritage. So yes, very proud.
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Post by knype on Mar 7, 2024 6:44:58 GMT
I'm extremely proud to be English, but as others say, I hate the way the country is going.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 7, 2024 7:17:40 GMT
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Post by franklin on Mar 7, 2024 7:28:47 GMT
I'm proud to be an English man.
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Mar 7, 2024 7:59:08 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 7, 2024 7:59:08 GMT
Is it simpler ( or less controversial)to be proud to be Scottish or Welsh rather than English?
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Mar 7, 2024 8:12:09 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 7, 2024 8:12:09 GMT
Just asking for opinions Paul. Your " crack" seems fine to me. It seems to me that Nationality is part of identity.... and some people are proud of that part of their identity, or perhaps more accurately fiercely protective of it..... I'm just wondering what others think, perhaps to clarify my own thinking. Fair do's mate, I could have been born in any country, so for me, it's no different to me being proud of being born right handed or being born tall. I would assume that somebody who is proud of being born English, would equally be as proud of being born Dutch, if they were born in Holland. I know that you teach religious studies BJR, so I assume that you're aware that the Bible regards pride as a sin and sees it as the opposite of humility. Proverbs 11:2 “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.” Proverbs 16:5 “The LORD detests all the proud of heart." I've never understood this pride and sin mumbo jumbo. What's wrong with being proud of something. Are you proud of me dad, did I do well? No son that would be a sin, you did owreet but proud of you, most certainly not 😆
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Post by swampmongrel on Mar 7, 2024 8:22:54 GMT
There can't be many English people without a bit of Scots/Irish/Welsh ancestry. And, of course, vice versa.
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Post by cdf on Mar 7, 2024 9:07:40 GMT
Does anybody ever say that they are from the United Kingdom or Great Britain?
I always say that I'm English or from England. It never crosses my mind to say that I'm from the United Kingdom or Great Britain
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Post by phileetin on Mar 7, 2024 9:20:06 GMT
i was going to say something along similar lines .
i feel that every body hates the english ( paranoia ? ) , certainly scots and welsh do . international bodies always seem to have a downer on the english ( british ) parliament eg UN re shamima begun , the IMF are understating growth forecasts ,
Since the rise in nationalism in scottish and walsh nationalism and what will eventually be the re-unification of ireland i find myself preferring to identify as english .
I suspect that ethnic persons would probably identify themselves as british ?
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