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Post by mickstupp on Jan 12, 2024 22:51:51 GMT
Thought Souttar played sorry. So about 15m then with the all add ons. Tymon and Campbell played as well I think? And Sorensen? And Verlinden. He was very poor that night.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2024 22:52:40 GMT
When fit he should be used over Gayle. I don’t get why anyone would want to see Gayle play given the chance to get him not involved? We miss nothing by playing Tezgel or Lowe over him. The patience aspect is getting him fit. We all want to see Tezgel do well, the issue we have is he only signed a three year contract so as things stand, he’s here for another 18 months. What happens then? So we use a bloke that looks about 80, plays like he’s 80 and is wank? Who cares? Just use the lad when he’s fit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2024 22:53:09 GMT
Thought Souttar played sorry. So about 15m then with the all add ons. Tymon and Campbell played as well I think? And Sorensen? And Verlinden. He was very poor that night. So more than half the team are playing at a decent enough level. Good times.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 12, 2024 22:55:59 GMT
We all want to see Tezgel do well, the issue we have is he only signed a three year contract so as things stand, he’s here for another 18 months. What happens then? So we use a bloke that looks about 80, plays like he’s 80 and is wank? Who cares? Just use the lad when he’s fit. You don’t see that as being as issue? By the time he’s fit enough to make a contribution it’s probably going to be next season and he’ll be into his last year. If he does well, he goes for nothing in the summer.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 12, 2024 22:57:02 GMT
When fit he should be used over Gayle. I don’t get why anyone would want to see Gayle play given the chance to get him not involved? We miss nothing by playing Tezgel or Lowe over him. The patience aspect is getting him fit. We all want to see Tezgel do well, the issue we have is he only signed a three year contract so as things stand, he’s here for another 18 months. What happens then? He looks an intelligent and classy player the few times I’ve seen him. It’s a shame he’s missed so much gametime but I’d like to see him get minutes from here on in so that we can really see what he’s got in his locker.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 12, 2024 22:58:18 GMT
So we use a bloke that looks about 80, plays like he’s 80 and is wank? Who cares? Just use the lad when he’s fit. You don’t see that as being as issue? By the time he’s fit enough to make a contribution it’s probably going to be next season and he’ll be into his last year. If he does well, he goes for nothing in the summer. I think you’re getting ahead of yourself Mick.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2024 22:58:53 GMT
So we use a bloke that looks about 80, plays like he’s 80 and is wank? Who cares? Just use the lad when he’s fit. You don’t see that as being as issue? By the time he’s fit enough to make a contribution it’s probably going to be next season and he’ll be into his last year. If he does well, he goes for nothing in the summer. It could be. I don’t see it as a reason not to play him. We will get a fee if he stays in England.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 12, 2024 23:02:44 GMT
You don’t see that as being as issue? By the time he’s fit enough to make a contribution it’s probably going to be next season and he’ll be into his last year. If he does well, he goes for nothing in the summer. I think you’re getting ahead of yourself Mick. Maybe but it’s only 18 months away. I saw him at Notts County and I must say I was very impressed with him. Vultures will circle if he gets fit and does well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2024 23:05:15 GMT
I think you’re getting ahead of yourself Mick. Maybe but it’s only 18 months away. I saw him at Notts County and I must say I was very impressed with him. Vultures will circle if he gets fit and does well. And that’s life. Look at the accounts thread. We need to make money somehow. Part of any managers role here should be giving our young players game time to help the club by either being good or getting us money.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 12, 2024 23:09:13 GMT
Maybe but it’s only 18 months away. I saw him at Notts County and I must say I was very impressed with him. Vultures will circle if he gets fit and does well. And that’s life. Look at the accounts thread. We need to make money somehow. Part of any managers role here should be giving our young players game time to help the club by either being good or getting us money. That’s the point I’m making, we will make next to nothing on the lad if he drifts out of contract next year. He’s one of very few we’ve had coming through the academy who actually has the quality to do well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2024 23:14:16 GMT
And that’s life. Look at the accounts thread. We need to make money somehow. Part of any managers role here should be giving our young players game time to help the club by either being good or getting us money. That’s the point I’m making, we will make next to nothing on the lad if he drifts out of contract next year. He’s one of very few we’ve had coming through the academy who actually has the quality to do well. Which is annoying but no reason not to play him. Few? We’ve just named half a team that would imo make us better. We’ve just named half a team that would be in this squad. The academy is about the only thing that’s done well this last 7 years.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 12, 2024 23:16:44 GMT
That’s the point I’m making, we will make next to nothing on the lad if he drifts out of contract next year. He’s one of very few we’ve had coming through the academy who actually has the quality to do well. Which is annoying but no reason not to play him. Few? We’ve just named half a team that would imo make us better. We’ve just named half a team that would be in this squad. The academy is about the only thing that’s done well this last 7 years. I’m taking about someone who’s capable of playing at the very top level, not the second tier of Belgian football. For once, we have a kid who’s the real deal, it would be a gutter if he drifts away.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2024 23:18:39 GMT
Which is annoying but no reason not to play him. Few? We’ve just named half a team that would imo make us better. We’ve just named half a team that would be in this squad. The academy is about the only thing that’s done well this last 7 years. I’m taking about someone who’s capable of playing at the very top level, not the second tier of Belgian football. For once, we have a kid who’s the real deal, it would be a gutter if he drifts away. Verlinden would walk into our current side which is playing at a decent level.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 12, 2024 23:20:00 GMT
I’m taking about someone who’s capable of playing at the very top level, not the second tier of Belgian football. For once, we have a kid who’s the real deal, it would be a gutter if he drifts away. Verlinden would walk into our current side which is playing at a decent level. Would he? Ok. Seen a lot of FC Beerschot recently have you?
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 12, 2024 23:58:47 GMT
I think you’re getting ahead of yourself Mick. Maybe but it’s only 18 months away. I saw him at Notts County and I must say I was very impressed with him. Vultures will circle if he gets fit and does well. Silly to think players will stay forever though. Following a club outside the elite few is about enjoying the moment. If we see a lad from stoke score a boat load and leave on a free so be it.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 13, 2024 0:40:44 GMT
Maybe but it’s only 18 months away. I saw him at Notts County and I must say I was very impressed with him. Vultures will circle if he gets fit and does well. Silly to think players will stay forever though. Following a club outside the elite few is about enjoying the moment. If we see a lad from stoke score a boat load and leave on a free so be it. Christ, really? We’ve got a big decision to make on the lad. Im surprised we only gave him three years to begin with, I know he’s not sticking around forever but if he gets fit and shows his quality we could miss out on a fortune.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 13, 2024 0:41:32 GMT
I’m taking about someone who’s capable of playing at the very top level, not the second tier of Belgian football. For once, we have a kid who’s the real deal, it would be a gutter if he drifts away. Verlinden would walk into our current side which is playing at a decent level. Verlinden would be like Vidigal….but without the goals.
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Post by LphPotter on Jan 13, 2024 0:46:31 GMT
Norwich. Saw it on Facebook but it’s not on Stoke site so maybe it was an old post. Apologies if it was The match was last Monday! More of a concern is that Schumacher said he was fit last week but we only named 8 subs when we had 9 spots available. Why not put Tezgal on the bench if he was close to first team action? When did we only name 8 subs? Unless you’re not counting Gayle as a player, which is fair enough.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 13, 2024 1:56:03 GMT
Silly to think players will stay forever though. Following a club outside the elite few is about enjoying the moment. If we see a lad from stoke score a boat load and leave on a free so be it. Christ, really? We’ve got a big decision to make on the lad. Im surprised we only gave him three years to begin with, I know he’s not sticking around forever but if he gets fit and shows his quality we could miss out on a fortune. Well if you remember at the time, it was always touch and go whether he’d sign with us at all. The fact is he’s been injured and there’s no point worrying about the if nots and maybes now. What we gonna do, not play him and hope he signs at new contract?
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Post by jokker on Jan 13, 2024 7:49:58 GMT
I did say "once fit"... Whereas you likened him to "get them in the first team etc and they've drifted down the leagues as not good enough"- Saying "Not good enough" is "putting them down" ! Which is based on what has happened more than once with other players that some have insisted go straight into the first team I never said anywhere that Tezgel isn't good enough .. again if you read what I actually said. You just implied it very strongly, and now you go worse by looking at a past group of players as if he was like them, when in fact he is a different person and never belonged to that group.
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Post by jokker on Jan 13, 2024 7:55:03 GMT
We all want to see Tezgel do well, the issue we have is he only signed a three year contract so as things stand, he’s here for another 18 months. What happens then? He looks an intelligent and classy player the few times I’ve seen him. It’s a shame he’s missed so much gametime but I’d like to see him get minutes from here on in so that we can really see what he’s got in his locker. You're not going to see "what he's got in his locker" if he just get "minutes", which might be anywhere between 2 and 3, I guess, when you just get told to stay in the box, not play a part, because mere minutes won't allow that. If you want to know what he can do you need to see how he would fit within the regular group of first team players, of which he should be one, but somehow he's seen as still a youth team/outsider.
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Post by jokker on Jan 13, 2024 7:58:38 GMT
Huge gulf tho, remember that vale game? And two of the centre halves that played that night have netted this club the best part of 30 million quid. He might earn the club a similar sum, but not if we pack him in wool and only use him as a bit player.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 13, 2024 7:59:31 GMT
I'd be very surprised if stoke don't have an option to extend the contract with a player of this age.
It's probably growing pains that have hampered him. It's ashame as those highlights of the pre season game at notts county showed he was at the center of everything.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 13, 2024 8:00:29 GMT
If it was me, I'd loan him to a league 1 side who will start him week in, week out, monitor how he gets on and hope he bangs them in.
Only my opinion but I'd also be happy if he started a few games if he didn't get loaned out and see how it goes
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 13, 2024 8:01:16 GMT
The biggest problem with Tezgel is that he breaks down and isn't in a position to play for most of the seasons. I've hardly heard of a young player being injured more often than him. He even seems worse than Campbell when it comes to injuries, and because of this I doubt he will ever fullfill his potential. I really hope I'm wrong though, but I've sort of given up on him to be honest.
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Post by emretezzy on Jan 13, 2024 8:02:22 GMT
I'd be very surprised if stoke don't have an option to extend the contract with a player of this age. It's probably growing pains that have hampered him. It's ashame as those highlights of the pre season game at notts county showed he was at the center of everything. No is a good time to extend. He has set himself back a year or two and an extension of 2 years would suit all parties. No club would take the chance on him that Leeds were willing to do wage wise now.
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Post by a on Jan 13, 2024 9:42:03 GMT
I’m taking about someone who’s capable of playing at the very top level, not the second tier of Belgian football. For once, we have a kid who’s the real deal, it would be a gutter if he drifts away. Verlinden would walk into our current side which is playing at a decent level. No he wouldn’t.
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Post by a on Jan 13, 2024 9:50:32 GMT
Come back when he’s fit. Either player. Can’t wait to see it. But make sure you come back to me tho, do t want to miss it. So you’d rather watch Gayle do nothing than give either one of our England youth international strikers a chance? Why? I just want to see their contributions to be honest, I don’t rate Gayle btw, I just know your huge bias towards youth players often clouds your ability to see if they are good enough. Hence why I’m excited to see them back fit and starting over the other players we’ve got.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jan 13, 2024 10:00:35 GMT
So you’d rather watch Gayle do nothing than give either one of our England youth international strikers a chance? Why? I just want to see their contributions to be honest, I don’t rate Gayle btw, I just know your huge bias towards youth players often clouds your ability to see if they are good enough. Hence why I’m excited to see them back fit and starting over the other players we’ve got. Gayle is a waste of space, I would rather see any of the youngsters playing upfront. They are the future and need games. All this they are not ready is nonsense.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 13, 2024 10:06:46 GMT
And two of the centre halves that played that night have netted this club the best part of 30 million quid. He might earn the club a similar sum, but not if we pack him in wool and only use him as a bit player. He can’t play if he’s not fit or injured. The club is doing the right thing building him up properly. Youve got to remember there’s an 18 YO lad under all this. No point playing him now when he’s not ready, potentially leaving him with long term damage.
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