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Post by thornestein on Apr 30, 2024 16:25:46 GMT
Wasted time? He’s been injured for the best part of 18 months. I don’t understand why you can’t see how it’s put him behind in his development? And I can’t see why that wouldn’t bother him and it’s not been that long either. He owes us nowt. This is a massive moment for this club and how we show we develop plauers and can offer them game time here. and they only deserve game time when they’ve proved they’re good enough , with his injuries he hasn’t done that yet , he seemed a level head young lad so he will understand this , and i’m sure the club will be negotiating with him over it and a new contract
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Post by a on Apr 30, 2024 16:30:51 GMT
And I can’t see why that wouldn’t bother him and it’s not been that long either. He owes us nowt. This is a massive moment for this club and how we show we develop plauers and can offer them game time here. and they only deserve game time when they’ve proved they’re good enough , with his injuries he hasn’t done that yet , he seemed a level head young lad so he will understand this , and i’m sure the club will be negotiating with him over it and a new contract He’s clearly well respected for his age group, and looks to be posting good numbers in League 2, admittedly in a club doing very well in said league. I’d hope he signs a new contract and if Dons go up then another loan with them, or another L1 club. Do well there then integrate him into the Stoke first team. Why is that such a bad thing?
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Post by smiler_andy on May 1, 2024 14:12:53 GMT
Owen is a great example, I think he was badly affected by the early stress on his body. There’s been a fair few others over the years. Some young lads seem to develop very early and can handle it but Tezgel from what I’ve seen looks a later developer so I think we should be careful Foden seems to be a good example of how to do it. Of course, some people would disagree. I agree with you I think it helps that the likes have Foden has had one manager in the 7 years he has played in the Premier League. While Campbell has had 6 managers in 7 years (not including caretaker managers) while playing first team football in a shambles that has been Stoke I hope SS and JW brings some stability and younger players get the opportunity at Stoke. With 46 league games and 9 places on the bench for each game there should be more opportunities. There are times when it is better to loan players out. We need a realistic pathway for our academy players. Phil Foden one club and one manager in 7 seasons en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_FodenTyrese Campbell 7 first team seasons at Stoke including 1 loan and 6 managers starting with Lambert en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrese_Campbell
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Post by linslader on May 2, 2024 17:21:18 GMT
Sorry if already posted. MK Dons fans like him Linkie
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 7, 2024 20:34:44 GMT
Watching the MK dons game there and it's hard to see the point of this loan
The standard is so poor, what is he doing to learn from being played out of position, and only receiving the ball in really bad positions because the players passing to him are rubbish?
He only had ten minutes or so. The lad Dean slagged him off for not making a run, but Dean himself was crap all night, never looking up for his teammates, just head down, selfish
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on May 7, 2024 21:00:27 GMT
Watching the MK dons game there and it's hard to see the point of this loan The standard is so poor, what is he doing to learn from being played out of position, and only receiving the ball in really bad positions because the players passing to him are rubbish? He only had ten minutes or so. The lad Dean slagged him off for not making a run, but Dean himself was crap all night, never looking up for his teammates, just head down, selfish I think you caught a decent team on a very bad day
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 7, 2024 21:17:37 GMT
A regular sub or a regularly playing sub are two completely different things. He’s not going to get regular game time in the Championship judging from the feedback from his current loan. He’d benefit far more from a decent loan at another league one club with the possibility of bringing him back in during the January window. The feedback being they like him and think he’s a player? He's not exactly a regular at a League Two club, but you're talking like he should walk into our starting XI next season. He may well do, but if he does, it'll be because we've had a disastrous window. I'm all for having young players on the bench, but they've got to be good enough. Lowe is a good example of a young player that just doesn't look ready, imo needs a good season-long loan elsewhere, but I see people on here questioning why we haven't seen more of him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 7, 2024 21:33:44 GMT
The feedback being they like him and think he’s a player? He's not exactly a regular at a League Two club, but you're talking like he should walk into our starting XI next season. He may well do, but if he does, it'll be because we've had a disastrous window. I'm all for having young players on the bench, but they've got to be good enough. Lowe is a good example of a young player that just doesn't look ready, imo needs a good season-long loan elsewhere, but I see people on here questioning why we haven't seen more of him. No I’m not. I’ve literally said numerous times he should be on the bench 🤣 pretty clearly too. Lowe isn’t good enough. We loaned the wrong one out.
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Post by torquaypotter on May 8, 2024 7:27:26 GMT
I see they lost last night 0. 3 in the first leg
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 8, 2024 7:45:07 GMT
He's not exactly a regular at a League Two club, but you're talking like he should walk into our starting XI next season. He may well do, but if he does, it'll be because we've had a disastrous window. I'm all for having young players on the bench, but they've got to be good enough. Lowe is a good example of a young player that just doesn't look ready, imo needs a good season-long loan elsewhere, but I see people on here questioning why we haven't seen more of him. No I’m not. I’ve literally said numerous times he should be on the bench 🤣 pretty clearly too. Lowe isn’t good enough. We loaned the wrong one out. I struggle to see what Lowe is, other than a young lad with lots of backing, because he's from the Academy. Not fast, not physical, not big, not a linkup man, not a poacher. That said he's still very much in his development stage. A League One loan where he's getting minutes will tell us where he's at, I suppose.
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Post by a on May 8, 2024 8:13:00 GMT
Why was Tezgel limited to an 11 min cameo?
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Post by nottsover60 on May 8, 2024 8:26:51 GMT
He's not exactly a regular at a League Two club, but you're talking like he should walk into our starting XI next season. He may well do, but if he does, it'll be because we've had a disastrous window. I'm all for having young players on the bench, but they've got to be good enough. Lowe is a good example of a young player that just doesn't look ready, imo needs a good season-long loan elsewhere, but I see people on here questioning why we haven't seen more of him. No I’m not. I’ve literally said numerous times he should be on the bench 🤣 pretty clearly too. Lowe isn’t good enough. We loaned the wrong one out. No we didn't. Tezgel was at the end of a very carefully managed return from his third quad injury in twelve months, the last of which he kept hidden from the physios in his eagerness to push for a first team place. He needed to go to a club away from his own and fans expectations and build up his strength by getting minutes in a more physical league than the u21's. He has come through that with no more injuries although I am sure we would have preferred him to get more minutes but as he himself said he has learned a lot and done things like living away from home and fitting in an unfamiliar dressing room which have made him grow up. I agree Lowe isn't good enough atm and would have benefitted from a loan but allowing Gayle to leave and suspending Mmaee left our pool of forwards tiny - Campbell who didn't appear bothered and would leave in June or Ennis who clearly is back up only.
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Post by a on May 8, 2024 8:35:22 GMT
So we bring him back and use him regularly as a sub? Say he featured in 40 games for 20 mins that’s 800 minutes, or roughly 9 full games.
Yes that sounds ideal for his development, playing less than a quarter of a season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2024 9:27:36 GMT
No I’m not. I’ve literally said numerous times he should be on the bench 🤣 pretty clearly too. Lowe isn’t good enough. We loaned the wrong one out. I struggle to see what Lowe is, other than a young lad with lots of backing, because he's from the Academy. Not fast, not physical, not big, not a linkup man, not a poacher. That said he's still very much in his development stage. A League One loan where he's getting minutes will tell us where he's at, I suppose. He’s scored a lot of goals at the younger levels and I think that obviously will hold water but agreed. He’s not really much of anything.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2024 9:28:43 GMT
No I’m not. I’ve literally said numerous times he should be on the bench 🤣 pretty clearly too. Lowe isn’t good enough. We loaned the wrong one out. No we didn't. Tezgel was at the end of a very carefully managed return from his third quad injury in twelve months the last of which he kept hidden from the physios in his eagerness to push for a first team place. He needed to go to a club away from his own and fans expectations and build up his strength by getting minutes in a more physical league than the u21's. He has come through that with no more injuries although I am sure we would have preferred him to get more minutes but as he himself he has learned a lot and done things like living away from home and fitting in an unfamiliar dressing room which have made him grow up. I agree Lowe isn't good enough at and would have benefitted from a loan but allowing Gayle to leave and suspending Mmaee left our pool of forwards tiny - Campbell who didn't appear bothered and would leave in June or Ennis who clearly is back up only. Yes we did. Lowe isn’t good enough. Tezgel almost certainly will be. And should have been getting minutes here given that a worse player in Lowe has had a bit of game time.
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Post by spitthedog on May 8, 2024 10:07:48 GMT
Why was Tezgel limited to an 11 min cameo? It wasn't that much of a surprise, he hasn't started many games for them. Though he has 15 appearances, he's only played 90 minutes once and only started 5 games, so he has been 2nd choice there most of the time, not great for him or us tbh.
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Post by a on May 8, 2024 10:15:36 GMT
Why was Tezgel limited to an 11 min cameo? It wasn't that much of a surprise, he hasn't started many games for them. Though he has 15 appearances, he's only played 90 minutes once and only started 5 games, so he has been 2nd choice there most of the time, not great for him or us tbh. You’re right that is pretty poor. You’d think we’d have a clause saying he needs to play X games and X minutes or something.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 8, 2024 10:17:07 GMT
Why was Tezgel limited to an 11 min cameo? It wasn't that much of a surprise, he hasn't started many games for them. Though he has 15 appearances, he's only played 90 minutes once and only started 5 games, so he has been 2nd choice there most of the time, not great for him or us tbh. Honestly, I think that’s a great return for a first senior season. He’s only been there since January and he is learning that he has to up his game if he wants to play more. He’s doing just that, he’s scored 3 goals and got a couple of assists. Great for his confidence and great for his desire.
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Post by spitthedog on May 8, 2024 10:43:51 GMT
It wasn't that much of a surprise, he hasn't started many games for them. Though he has 15 appearances, he's only played 90 minutes once and only started 5 games, so he has been 2nd choice there most of the time, not great for him or us tbh. You’re right that is pretty poor. You’d think we’d have a clause saying he needs to play X games and X minutes or something. They probably would not take the player if that was the case, and why would they? Do these clauses in contracts actually exist? Unless you have a player who is absolutely guaranteed to produce the goods it would be madness to enter into such arrangements surely? I would hope we don't do this with our loans.
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Post by a on May 8, 2024 10:51:30 GMT
You’re right that is pretty poor. You’d think we’d have a clause saying he needs to play X games and X minutes or something. They probably would not take the player if that was the case, and why would they? Do these clauses in contracts actually exist? Unless you have a player who is absolutely guaranteed to produce the goods it would be madness to enter into such arrangements surely? I would hope we don't do this with our loans. Yea maybe, I honestly don’t know if such things are myth, and maybe they are. It just makes blooding youngsters a bit harder, unless they’re performing which according to the comments on here Tezgel is then it’s just a bit odd that he hasn’t played more minutes. Makes the likelihood of him playing more minutes here two leagues up even more unlikely.
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