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Post by mickstupp on Jan 13, 2024 10:14:17 GMT
Verlinden would walk into our current side which is playing at a decent level. Verlinden would be like Vidigal….but without the goals. To be fair, the boy wonder Verlinden actually scored last night.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 13, 2024 10:41:54 GMT
He might earn the club a similar sum, but not if we pack him in wool and only use him as a bit player. He can’t play if he’s not fit or injured. The club is doing the right thing building him up properly. Youve got to remember there’s an 18 YO lad under all this. No point playing him now when he’s not ready, potentially leaving him with long term damage. They have a plan to build strength and resilience into him and I’m sure they’ll see it through but any thought of not playing him due to his contract situation is bonkers. The more experience he has at the highest level possible the better the compensation awarded if he leaves for another English club if he goes abroad that’s a decision for him but isn’t one you’d feel shows the most footballing ambition at the end of the day players come to clubs like us because it’s the best steppingstone and shop window for a move to the prem which is what most of them want a crack at.
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Post by jokker on Jan 13, 2024 11:40:22 GMT
He might earn the club a similar sum, but not if we pack him in wool and only use him as a bit player. He can’t play if he’s not fit or injured. The club is doing the right thing building him up properly. Youve got to remember there’s an 18 YO lad under all this. No point playing him now when he’s not ready, potentially leaving him with long term damage. If you're not ready at the age of 18 there's something seriously wrong.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jan 13, 2024 11:41:29 GMT
He might earn the club a similar sum, but not if we pack him in wool and only use him as a bit player. He can’t play if he’s not fit or injured. The club is doing the right thing building him up properly. Youve got to remember there’s an 18 YO lad under all this. No point playing him now when he’s not ready, potentially leaving him with long term damage. Long term damage ? You only learn in life and work by making mistakes. It's the best way to learn for anybody. An 18 year old lad can play now, you might only use him as a one half player to start with, but that's a half better used than on Gayle who is never going to get any better.
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Post by jokker on Jan 13, 2024 11:41:40 GMT
I did say "once fit", but he has to have more than a few minutes in games that are petering out. 30 minutes would be a minor improvement in that process. 45 minutes next would be like saying, "we trust you". And then...full speed ahead ! Is trust given, or is trust earned? He's earned it by his performances in the club's youth teams and by being selected for England.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 13, 2024 11:45:32 GMT
Is trust given, or is trust earned? He's earned it by his performances in the club's youth teams and by being selected for England. Pretty sure Shawcross was still having some issues with his growing body in his early 20’s and I’m no expert on anything medical but used to work in an environment where u18’s weren’t even allowed to lift weights due to developmental issues.
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Post by jokker on Jan 13, 2024 12:20:33 GMT
He's earned it by his performances in the club's youth teams and by being selected for England. Pretty sure Shawcross was still having some issues with his growing body in his early 20’s and I’m no expert on anything medical but used to work in an environment where u18’s weren’t even allowed to lift weights due to developmental issues. When you're 18, you're not under 18...
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Post by baconburger on Jan 13, 2024 12:24:00 GMT
Pretty sure Shawcross was still having some issues with his growing body in his early 20’s and I’m no expert on anything medical but used to work in an environment where u18’s weren’t even allowed to lift weights due to developmental issues. When you're 18, you're not under 18... What is there like some magic switch that happens on your 18th birthday, the lad is still very young. His physical development will continue for a few more years and may or may not result in more problems.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 13, 2024 12:24:17 GMT
My friend's son joined Lincoln academy at eighteen having already had problems with knee dislocation. He spent most of the two years not playing because he continually dislocated his knee, left at 20 and has not played football since and is now a PE teacher.
As a kid he was playing for the school team three years above him. I often think of this as a precautionary tale not to put too much stress on a growing body. If he'd not pit his body against bigger, stronger lads and if as soon as he started having problems with his knee had followed a programme to build it up and strengthen it would he have had a football career? He obviously had the skill.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jan 13, 2024 12:24:55 GMT
Might be total coincidence but is one of his family members before the Crown Court for child sex offences?
Adam Tezgel,50, from Blythe Bridge was sent to the Crown Court in Dec 22 for sexual communication with a child.
We haven't really seen Tezgel since.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 13, 2024 12:25:52 GMT
Pretty sure Shawcross was still having some issues with his growing body in his early 20’s and I’m no expert on anything medical but used to work in an environment where u18’s weren’t even allowed to lift weights due to developmental issues. When you're 18, you're not under 18... In football he is, he was 17 at the start of the season. Shawcross blames his short career on the strain he put on his body early in his career and playing when not fully fit.
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Post by jokker on Jan 13, 2024 12:26:44 GMT
The key word is patience. Get some first team minutes this season, a good pre season, injury free then I think it’s only a matter of time before we see him at his best and at his best the club will see a homegrown talent like they’ve never seen before. Lowe is an exceptional talent but Emre is a different level. I’d like to see Lowe go out on loan tbh. I think it’s what he needs especially if Tezgel can stay fit and we don’t get rid of a striker. Playing regularly in League Two even as an 18 year old is very achievable for him now. That might be like condemning him to waste a year of his life. DWP went on loan in L2 and was only used as cover and barely played a few seconds during his spell. Lowe's development and game time should be with scfc.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 13, 2024 12:27:51 GMT
He can’t play if he’s not fit or injured. The club is doing the right thing building him up properly. Youve got to remember there’s an 18 YO lad under all this. No point playing him now when he’s not ready, potentially leaving him with long term damage. If you're not ready at the age of 18 there's something seriously wrong. Not really. Everyone develops differently. Look at vardy and Rooney for extreme examples.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 13, 2024 12:28:51 GMT
I’d like to see Lowe go out on loan tbh. I think it’s what he needs especially if Tezgel can stay fit and we don’t get rid of a striker. Playing regularly in League Two even as an 18 year old is very achievable for him now. That might be like condemning him to waste a year of his life. DWP went on loan in L2 and was only used as cover and barely played a few seconds during his spell. Lowe's development and game time should be with scfc. A bit like Lowe is doing now then?
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 13, 2024 12:32:12 GMT
He can’t play if he’s not fit or injured. The club is doing the right thing building him up properly. Youve got to remember there’s an 18 YO lad under all this. No point playing him now when he’s not ready, potentially leaving him with long term damage. Long term damage ? You only learn in life and work by making mistakes. It's the best way to learn for anybody. An 18 year old lad can play now, you might only use him as a one half player to start with, but that's a half better used than on Gayle who is never going to get any better. Yeah Rooney was flogged by the time he got into his late 20s & early 30s although I’m sure there’s more factors to that then just over played and injuries. Owen is another one, I’m sure he’s spoken publicly about so much game time so young & playing when not ready had repercussion. But i might be wrong. I agree he needs to play and learn from mistakes but my point stands you can only play him when he’s fit and ready. No point him playing 3 games and breaking down again. That doesn’t help anyone.
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Post by midfielder on Jan 13, 2024 12:33:07 GMT
Might be total coincidence but is one of his family members before the Crown Court for child sex offences? Adam Tezgel,50, from Blythe Bridge was sent to the Crown Court in Dec 22 for sexual communication with a child. We haven't really seen Tezgel since. That’s a shocker because his Dad is called Adam. Maybe we end the thread here? Maybe a cautionary note that the article you’re referring too is from Nov 22
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 13, 2024 12:33:50 GMT
He can’t play if he’s not fit or injured. The club is doing the right thing building him up properly. Youve got to remember there’s an 18 YO lad under all this. No point playing him now when he’s not ready, potentially leaving him with long term damage. They have a plan to build strength and resilience into him and I’m sure they’ll see it through but any thought of not playing him due to his contract situation is bonkers. The more experience he has at the highest level possible the better the compensation awarded if he leaves for another English club if he goes abroad that’s a decision for him but isn’t one you’d feel shows the most footballing ambition at the end of the day players come to clubs like us because it’s the best steppingstone and shop window for a move to the prem which is what most of them want a crack at. I’ve not said anything about not playing him due to his contract situation, so I’ve literally no idea what you are on about.
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Post by jokker on Jan 13, 2024 12:36:08 GMT
When you're 18, you're not under 18... In football he is, he was 17 at the start of the season. Shawcross blames his short career on the strain he put on his body early in his career and playing when not fully fit. He's 18 now. Shawcross was a brave die hard, but he wasn't the smartest kid on the block. He put his body on the line as if he was a wrestler or something instead of improving his football skills. He continually played through the pain barrier and didn't give his injuries time to heal. That's what caused his retirement. Short career, what short career? He played 16 years and made well over 400 apps.
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Post by jokker on Jan 13, 2024 12:39:25 GMT
Long term damage ? You only learn in life and work by making mistakes. It's the best way to learn for anybody. An 18 year old lad can play now, you might only use him as a one half player to start with, but that's a half better used than on Gayle who is never going to get any better. Yeah Rooney was flogged by the time he got into his late 20s & early 30s although I’m sure there’s more factors to that then just over played and injuries. Owen is another one, I’m sure he’s spoken publicly about so much game time so young & playing when not ready had repercussion. But i might be wrong. I agree he needs to play and learn from mistakes but my point stands you can only play him when he’s fit and ready. No point him playing 3 games and breaking down again. That doesn’t help anyone. Has anyone on this thread suggested he should play when he's not fit? No. So your point is pointless.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 13, 2024 12:40:56 GMT
Might be total coincidence but is one of his family members before the Crown Court for child sex offences? Adam Tezgel,50, from Blythe Bridge was sent to the Crown Court in Dec 22 for sexual communication with a child. We haven't really seen Tezgel since. Err not sure we need to know that. Why should a relative’s potential criminal behaviour be linked in any way to the lad. An obvious incentive to move abroad if anyone thinks that someone else’s actions in any way reflect on him.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 13, 2024 12:45:31 GMT
In football he is, he was 17 at the start of the season. Shawcross blames his short career on the strain he put on his body early in his career and playing when not fully fit. He's 18 now. Shawcross was a brave die hard, but he wasn't the smartest kid on the block. He put his body on the line as if he was a wrestler or something instead of improving his football skills. He continually played through the pain barrier and didn't give his injuries time to heal. That's what caused his retirement. Short career, what short career? He played 16 years and made well over 400 apps. He, said himself recently that he went to Miami to try to prolong his career but couldn't play and that at the end of his career at Stoke he couldn't play with his kids because of the pain he was in. Probably short career was not the word to use.
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Post by a on Jan 13, 2024 12:49:59 GMT
I just want to see their contributions to be honest, I don’t rate Gayle btw, I just know your huge bias towards youth players often clouds your ability to see if they are good enough. Hence why I’m excited to see them back fit and starting over the other players we’ve got. Gayle is a waste of space, I would rather see any of the youngsters playing upfront. They are the future and need games. All this they are not ready is nonsense. Looking forward to seeing them today 👌
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jan 13, 2024 12:54:08 GMT
Might be total coincidence but is one of his family members before the Crown Court for child sex offences? Adam Tezgel,50, from Blythe Bridge was sent to the Crown Court in Dec 22 for sexual communication with a child. We haven't really seen Tezgel since. That’s a shocker because his Dad is called Adam. Maybe we end the thread here? Maybe a cautionary note that the article you’re referring too is from Nov 22 I know I put the date in
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jan 13, 2024 12:54:51 GMT
Might be total coincidence but is one of his family members before the Crown Court for child sex offences? Adam Tezgel,50, from Blythe Bridge was sent to the Crown Court in Dec 22 for sexual communication with a child. We haven't really seen Tezgel since. Err not sure we need to know that. Why should a relative’s potential criminal behaviour be linked in any way to the lad. An obvious incentive to move abroad if anyone thinks that someone else’s actions in any way reflect on him. Is there a post on here where you haven't missed the point?
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Post by jokker on Jan 13, 2024 12:57:19 GMT
He's 18 now. Shawcross was a brave die hard, but he wasn't the smartest kid on the block. He put his body on the line as if he was a wrestler or something instead of improving his football skills. He continually played through the pain barrier and didn't give his injuries time to heal. That's what caused his retirement. Short career, what short career? He played 16 years and made well over 400 apps. He, said himself recently that he went to Miami to try to prolong his career but couldn't play and that at the end of his career at Stoke he couldn't play with his kids because of the pain he was in. Probably short career was not the word to use. Wear and tear would be the proper phrase, and Ryan, wearing his heart on his sleeve, tore himself apart.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 13, 2024 12:59:34 GMT
If you are good enough,it doesn't matter how old you are,look at that 16 year old at the darts.
There is only one way to find out,that is give them game time.
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Post by a on Jan 13, 2024 13:13:24 GMT
If you are good enough,it doesn't matter how old you are,look at that 16 year old at the darts. There is only one way to find out,that is give them game time. Absolutely, get them playing, only way to find out and put this debate to bed
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jan 13, 2024 14:58:40 GMT
Long term damage ? You only learn in life and work by making mistakes. It's the best way to learn for anybody. An 18 year old lad can play now, you might only use him as a one half player to start with, but that's a half better used than on Gayle who is never going to get any better. Yeah Rooney was flogged by the time he got into his late 20s & early 30s although I’m sure there’s more factors to that then just over played and injuries. Owen is another one, I’m sure he’s spoken publicly about so much game time so young & playing when not ready had repercussion. But i might be wrong. I agree he needs to play and learn from mistakes but my point stands you can only play him when he’s fit and ready. No point him playing 3 games and breaking down again. That doesn’t help anyone. Fair point, I wasn't suggesting we bring him on when he isn't recovered or bring him on to early.
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Post by a on Jan 13, 2024 15:22:56 GMT
Lowe benched, no Tezgel. Maybe next week
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Post by a on Jan 13, 2024 15:27:26 GMT
Yeah Rooney was flogged by the time he got into his late 20s & early 30s although I’m sure there’s more factors to that then just over played and injuries. Owen is another one, I’m sure he’s spoken publicly about so much game time so young & playing when not ready had repercussion. But i might be wrong. I agree he needs to play and learn from mistakes but my point stands you can only play him when he’s fit and ready. No point him playing 3 games and breaking down again. That doesn’t help anyone. Fair point, I wasn't suggesting we bring him on when he isn't recovered or bring him on to early. Young players need nurturing and I trust successive managers over us oatcake posters to know what’s best for them and more importantly Stoke city fc
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