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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 11, 2023 17:21:07 GMT
At the moment it seems like we're rather toothless up-front (with 3 goals in 41 appearances Dwight Gayle leading the line? Never.) Big Wes has seemingly gone from Plan B in certain games to Plan D if every other striker at the club is dead, Ryan Mmae is showing glimpses, but mainly glimpses of him being a waste of £2m, while Nathan Lowe looks like he needs a loan to the lower leagues before being thrown in at this level.
That leaves us with a still-not-fit Tyrese Campbell (I've had enough of the lazy sod to be honest) and the young prodigy Emre Tezgel, who seems to be injured even more often than Campbell does. However, the young lad, if he can get fit, really does have a golden chance of jumping the queue and being thrust into action, mainly because every other option we have appears to be absolute pants, but also because he's now at the age where starting him in a game doesn't only seem like the sort of sexual fantasy bayernoatcake has, but a realistic proposition.
All this is a long winded way of me asking when the hell is he supposed to be fit again? We're getting rather desperate for goals, and if his exploits on my Football Manager 23 game are anything to go by, maybe he's the lad who can get them for us?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 11, 2023 17:23:19 GMT
No service to our strikers
Tezgel has never scored a goal at this level so can't be relying on him. Absolutely no creativity the problem
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 17:29:08 GMT
At the moment it seems like we're rather toothless up-front (with 3 goals in 41 appearances Dwight Gayle leading the line? Never.) Big Wes has seemingly gone from Plan B in certain games to Plan D if every other striker at the club is dead, Ryan Mmae is showing glimpses, but mainly glimpses of him being a waste of £2m, while Nathan Lowe looks like he needs a loan to the lower leagues before being thrown in at this level. That leaves us with a still-not-fit Tyrese Campbell (I've had enough of the lazy sod to be honest) and the young prodigy Emre Tezgel, who seems to be injured even more often than Campbell does. However, the young lad, if he can get fit, really does have a golden chance of jumping the queue and being thrust into action, mainly because every other option we have appears to be absolute pants, but also because he's now at the age where starting him in a game doesn't only seem like the sort of sexual fantasy bayernoatcake has, but a realistic proposition. All this is a long winded way of me asking when the hell is he supposed to be fit again? We're getting rather desperate for goals, and if his exploits on my Football Manager 23 game are anything to go by, maybe he's the lad who can get them for us? Is that Mmaee assessment based on his lack of availability so far or what he’s provided on the pitch? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 11, 2023 17:32:00 GMT
He seems to be 'fit', and scored 2 for the u21s last week. But they're being ultra-cautious with him. Campbell seems to be back in training, so he should be available after the break. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-coventry-alex-neil-8895792How is Emre Tezgel?Neil: He’s good but Emre is one we’ve taken our time with. Over the last probably two seasons here, he has broken down too often with too many long-term injuries so we’ve spent a lot of time trying to make him more robust and get him stronger in certain areas of his body and making sure that his schedule is similar. Sometimes what happens with younger lads is that they get caught between the 21s’ schedule and first team schedule so you don’t really get a full week’s training. You’re prepping for first team games but end up playing with the 21s so the week becomes a little bit messy. For him, his schedule has been really, really clear. At the moment, touch wood, he’s coming through all that fine. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Nov 11, 2023 17:34:00 GMT
Service today.
Can’t score if you don’t get the ball.
Albeit we did look a lot better when Gayle and Johnson came off. Who’d have thought it?
Johnson had to be dropped in 2 weeks.
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Post by greenhoff on Nov 11, 2023 17:34:55 GMT
Service today. Can’t score if you don’t get the ball. Albeit we did look a lot better when Gayle and Johnson came off. Who’d have thought it? Johnson had to be dropped in 2 weeks. He won't be. Neil loves him. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 11, 2023 17:37:24 GMT
As much as I think Campbell is bone at times I think in close games like we’ve had in the last 2 weeks he can produce something out of the ordinary to sin a close game
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 11, 2023 17:41:12 GMT
Where the fuck has Gayle reared his head from anyway? I thought him not making the squads was Neil finally giving up on him, yet he’s started 3 in a row?! And Wesley after “scoring” has become even less of an option.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 11, 2023 17:47:22 GMT
Service today. Can’t score if you don’t get the ball. Albeit we did look a lot better when Gayle and Johnson came off. Who’d have thought it? Johnson had to be dropped in 2 weeks. His movement is poor, he wasn't giving them a ball in |
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Post by clarkeda on Nov 11, 2023 18:23:18 GMT
As much as I think Campbell is bone at times I think in close games like we’ve had in the last 2 weeks he can produce something out of the ordinary to sin a close game The chance where Vidigal cut in an had a shot from the edge that he blasted into the stands. You back Campbell to score and we win today. |
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Post by potter25 on Nov 11, 2023 19:00:29 GMT
Been playing in u21 hasn’t he?
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Post by march4 on Nov 11, 2023 19:13:41 GMT
Even when fit, I don’t think we can rely on Emre this season.
We desperately need a strong goalscorer to lead the line.
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 11, 2023 19:35:09 GMT
No service to our strikers Tezgel has never scored a goal at this level so can't be relying on him. Absolutely no creativity the problem Completely agree. Smith was calling it “patient build up”. I call it standing still while people pass the ball from side to side. We often show zero intensity with the ball at our feet. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 11, 2023 19:42:30 GMT
No service to our strikers Tezgel has never scored a goal at this level so can't be relying on him. Absolutely no creativity the problem Completely agree. Smith was calling it “patient build up”. I call it standing still while people pass the ball from side to side. We often show zero intensity with the ball at our feet. Yup. I don't mind a bit of pass about, lets you save energy, wait for openings etc. But saving energy just to boot it forlornly to Vidigal is boring as fuck. |
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Post by BlurtonRed on Nov 11, 2023 19:57:03 GMT
No service to our strikers Tezgel has never scored a goal at this level so can't be relying on him. Absolutely no creativity the problem Spot on. We've created absolutely nothing this last two games. No matter who was or is playing up top, they still wouldn't score. There's an imbalance in our front four(I'm including Johnson in our attack). It's OK playing one of Vidigal or Haks, for me though on the other side we need someone who more direct. An out and out wideman with pace. Johnson for me slows everything down, he can't get past a player and he doesn't drive us forward. I'm not his biggest fan but we Miss Campbell for his pace and directness. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 11, 2023 20:13:40 GMT
As much as I think Campbell is bone at times I think in close games like we’ve had in the last 2 weeks he can produce something out of the ordinary to sin a close game The chance where Vidigal cut in an had a shot from the edge that he blasted into the stands. You back Campbell to score and we win today. Always a case of the players not available do better. You're assuming Campbell is in that position in the first place He hasn't exactly been tormenting teams these last few months when fit |
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Post by a on Nov 11, 2023 20:33:11 GMT
At the moment it seems like we're rather toothless up-front (with 3 goals in 41 appearances Dwight Gayle leading the line? Never.) Big Wes has seemingly gone from Plan B in certain games to Plan D if every other striker at the club is dead, Ryan Mmae is showing glimpses, but mainly glimpses of him being a waste of £2m, while Nathan Lowe looks like he needs a loan to the lower leagues before being thrown in at this level. That leaves us with a still-not-fit Tyrese Campbell (I've had enough of the lazy sod to be honest) and the young prodigy Emre Tezgel, who seems to be injured even more often than Campbell does. However, the young lad, if he can get fit, really does have a golden chance of jumping the queue and being thrust into action, mainly because every other option we have appears to be absolute pants, but also because he's now at the age where starting him in a game doesn't only seem like the sort of sexual fantasy bayernoatcake has, but a realistic proposition. All this is a long winded way of me asking when the hell is he supposed to be fit again? We're getting rather desperate for goals, and if his exploits on my Football Manager 23 game are anything to go by, maybe he's the lad who can get them for us? He will not add anything though, so it’s largely irrelevant. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 11, 2023 20:57:39 GMT
At the moment it seems like we're rather toothless up-front (with 3 goals in 41 appearances Dwight Gayle leading the line? Never.) Big Wes has seemingly gone from Plan B in certain games to Plan D if every other striker at the club is dead, Ryan Mmae is showing glimpses, but mainly glimpses of him being a waste of £2m, while Nathan Lowe looks like he needs a loan to the lower leagues before being thrown in at this level. That leaves us with a still-not-fit Tyrese Campbell (I've had enough of the lazy sod to be honest) and the young prodigy Emre Tezgel, who seems to be injured even more often than Campbell does. However, the young lad, if he can get fit, really does have a golden chance of jumping the queue and being thrust into action, mainly because every other option we have appears to be absolute pants, but also because he's now at the age where starting him in a game doesn't only seem like the sort of sexual fantasy bayernoatcake has, but a realistic proposition. All this is a long winded way of me asking when the hell is he supposed to be fit again? We're getting rather desperate for goals, and if his exploits on my Football Manager 23 game are anything to go by, maybe he's the lad who can get them for us? He will not add anything though, so it’s largely irrelevant. Why won’t he? |
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Post by emretezzy on Dec 2, 2023 9:18:02 GMT
I understand not rushing back but he has been "back on grass" for about 2/3 months now.
Not only is it about him being potentially much better than everyone infront of him, he will be near enough half way through his 3 yesr deal and seemingly further away from first team football than he was at 16.
As a club we have to give this lad every chance of being the 20/30 million academy product that finances the club moving forward or gets us out this tin pot league.
The fact we are going absolutely no where means we should be blooding in as many of the high class youngsters as we can.
Simkin would start today for me as well.
Sidibe another who could come in for Burger.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 2, 2023 9:22:06 GMT
I understand not rushing back but he has been "back on grass" for about 2/3 months now. Not only is it about him being potentially much better than everyone infront of him, he will be near enough half way through his 3 yesr deal and seemingly further away from first team football than he was at 16. As a club we have to give this lad every chance of being the 20/30 million academy product that finances the club moving forward or gets us out this tin pot league. The fact we are going absolutely no where means we should be blooding in as many of the high class youngsters as we can. Simkin would start today for me as well. Sidibe another who could come in for Burger. If they're good enough they are old enough is my theory. And I don't mean them playing 90 mins week in week out as they don't have the experience required. But they should be getting regular 20 min cameos at the very least. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 2, 2023 9:38:41 GMT
It is a bit strange. There must be a reason why he's been handled like he is. He doesn't seem to have played much. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/emre-tezgel/leistungsdaten/spieler/812397According to this, he's just played 45 minutes for the u18s in October, and 90 for the u21s in November. Frustrating when you think how many minutes he could have been getting in this Dwight Gayle-filled world if he was the level of prospect he appeared to be. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 2, 2023 9:44:21 GMT
I understand not rushing back but he has been "back on grass" for about 2/3 months now. Not only is it about him being potentially much better than everyone infront of him, he will be near enough half way through his 3 yesr deal and seemingly further away from first team football than he was at 16. As a club we have to give this lad every chance of being the 20/30 million academy product that finances the club moving forward or gets us out this tin pot league. The fact we are going absolutely no where means we should be blooding in as many of the high class youngsters as we can. Simkin would start today for me as well. Sidibe another who could come in for Burger. Appreciate he’s been injured but if he’d been at a club like Blackburn (who I used as an example of youngsters been thrown in to the 1st team) he’d have had way more minutes by now. It’s also one of the reasons I’d have kept MON, I think he would have featured quite heavily when fit….. |
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 2, 2023 9:58:15 GMT
I did say in the summer that Neil is a front of house manager and his record with kids is appalling, and that the token appearances of Sidibe in the Cup were just to appease people until the 'cavalry' arrived. Under MON all three of Sidibe, Lowe and Tezgel would be in every squad when fit. All three would be well on their way to developing into players like Souttar and Collins that we could sell for millions.
Alex 'Nil' isn't interested in the kids, and another reason I would fire him off without question. Yet again though, another reason to question the owners. They have an Academy that costs a fortune with players starting to come through and they appoint a front of house manager. Brainless.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 2, 2023 10:21:15 GMT
I did say in the summer that Neil is a front of house manager and his record with kids is appalling, and that the token appearances of Sidibe in the Cup were just to appease people until the 'cavalry' arrived. Under MON all three of Sidibe, Lowe and Tezgel would be in every squad when fit. All three would be well on their way to developing into players like Souttar and Collins that we could sell for millions. Alex 'Nil' isn't interested in the kids, and another reason I would fire him off without question. Yet again though, another reason to question the owners. They have an Academy that costs a fortune with players starting to come through and they appoint a front of house manager. Brainless. Totally agree with that. MON was a good advocate for playing the youth players especially those with the talent that tezgel, lowe and sidibe clearly possess. By neglecting then is effectively throwing the academy in the bin and wasting the investment the club has spent. ANs hand maybe forced due injury and suspensions but you can bet he will revert to the same old plodders when they are back, and thats bloody depressing. |
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Post by RF10 on Dec 2, 2023 10:32:27 GMT
I did say in the summer that Neil is a front of house manager and his record with kids is appalling, and that the token appearances of Sidibe in the Cup were just to appease people until the 'cavalry' arrived. Under MON all three of Sidibe, Lowe and Tezgel would be in every squad when fit. All three would be well on their way to developing into players like Souttar and Collins that we could sell for millions. Alex 'Nil' isn't interested in the kids, and another reason I would fire him off without question. Yet again though, another reason to question the owners. They have an Academy that costs a fortune with players starting to come through and they appoint a front of house manager. Brainless. Ricky Martin is also clearly a big advocate for Youth development. Whilst 1st team for me is most important when you have got youth players and system in place a manager should be reserving a certain number of players from squad for these. |
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Post by emretezzy on Dec 2, 2023 11:38:11 GMT
I understand not rushing back but he has been "back on grass" for about 2/3 months now. Not only is it about him being potentially much better than everyone infront of him, he will be near enough half way through his 3 yesr deal and seemingly further away from first team football than he was at 16. As a club we have to give this lad every chance of being the 20/30 million academy product that finances the club moving forward or gets us out this tin pot league. The fact we are going absolutely no where means we should be blooding in as many of the high class youngsters as we can. Simkin would start today for me as well. Sidibe another who could come in for Burger. Appreciate he’s been injured but if he’d been at a club like Blackburn (who I used as an example of youngsters been thrown in to the 1st team) he’d have had way more minutes by now. It’s also one of the reasons I’d have kept MON, I think he would have featured quite heavily when fit….. I said in the match thread. We were linked with Moran all summer but Neil wouldn't have a clue what to do with him. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 2, 2023 11:38:40 GMT
You would think with FFP,we would be doing all we can go get our youngsters playing,if they turn out to be good enough,we could safe a lot of money in the transfer window.
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Post by nonameface on Dec 2, 2023 12:26:17 GMT
Hopefully at some point in this season he will get a run of minutes (same with Gayle) and show what he can do. Would be best to make sure he's fit and doesn't over do it though.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 2, 2023 12:59:37 GMT
Appreciate he’s been injured but if he’d been at a club like Blackburn (who I used as an example of youngsters been thrown in to the 1st team) he’d have had way more minutes by now. It’s also one of the reasons I’d have kept MON, I think he would have featured quite heavily when fit….. I said in the match thread. We were linked with Moran all summer but Neil wouldn't have a clue what to do with him. Very true |
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 2, 2023 13:03:52 GMT
I’m not sure criticism of Neil is valid on this one. Tezgel simply hasn’t been fit enough for long enough to get minutes at any stage over the last 18 months.
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