Serious question - how long has he got?

[AlbertTatlock]

I like a lot of Stoke supporters have been willing AN to turn our fortunes around, hoping that the next match is the turning point for us but today something changed, not just for me but those who sit around me, the abject display of management was all to see, it was like dipping your finger in boiling water over and over, you know it burns but you keep doing it anyway.

5 at the back again, an attacking centre midfielder playing as a full/wingback 3 centre backs not one of them left footed all not knowing what they should be doing, passing the ball across our 18 yard box while 2-0 down, no urgency to get forward, no desire to change tactics or formation, no shouting or instructions coming from the technical area, just a man that is increasingly looking like someone lost waiting for divine intervention. Baffling subs, baffling tactics, players plodding about desperately looking for leadership.

Yes we all know it's practically a new team but it's the mangers job to inform them what he wants them to do, where he wants them to play, what intensity he requires, instill the desire to win every game and most of all 100% effort. Sadly all of this appears to be missing at the moment. He doesn't look like he has a game plan then when things go wrong he doesn't know how to change it, we are a soft touch who roll over and get our bellies tickled, we make the same mistakes game after game and question what goes on at training.

So my question is how long will this continue for? When will AN wake up and see what us supporters are seeing every week? When will he decide to make the right changes? When will he scrap 5 at the back for good? It hasn't worked for years with any sort of consistency. When will the owners start to turn? When will enough be enough for the Coates family if things don't improve?

The 1 thing that is for sure is that the debacle we've witnessed today can't and should not be allowed to continue.

Gouranga.

[prestwichpotter]

Till the international break on October 7th would be my guess…..

[jay1610]

Another limp, one-way defeat at home will finish him off. He’ll get it from the stands.

And he’ll deserve it. Already thrashing round like Nathan Jones and it’s not even October.

[thehartshillbadger]

Not even read the OP. I’d say Christmas is a stretch

[thehartshillbadger]

Apologies Albert. I e now read your post. I’d say Christmas at a stretch

[Gods]

Is AN sackable without also sacking Tricky Ricky and US Jared?

No new manager would want to be encumbered with these two lunatic fantasists would they?

Then what of JC? He gave it the large one poaching AN mid-season from Sunderland and then backed the summer trolley dash to the hilt.

JC would like some special kind of fool if he then had to dispatch all 3 'wise men' before the clocks go back and the cost of getting rid would rob us blind.

I mean what would he tell his father and sister?

I think JC has made his bed and he is going to have to lie in it.

[itsmorethanagame]

I think we will give him as long as we feasibly can. Mainly because we have had a big turnover of both staff and players and we could really, really do without more upheaval.

Ultimately how long he lasts will depend on the results. Go and win at Bristol on the weekend and start picking up results here and there and he will buy himself plenty of time.

But if we lose the next two in a row, I think it’s game over.

I think we are going to win at Bristol though. Our players are more than good enough to do it.

[stokeson]

Sept 24, 2023 19:58:34 GMT Gods said:

Is AN sackable without also sacking Tricky Ricky and US Jared?

No new manager would want to be encumbered with these two lunatic fantasists would they?

Then what of JC? He gave it the large one poaching AN mid-season from Sunderland and then backed the summer trolley dash to the hilt.

He would like some special kind of fool if he then had to dispatch all 3 'wise men' and the cost of getting rid would rob us blind.

I mean what would he tell his father and sister?

I think JC has made his bed and he is going to have to lie in it.

No. The problem is JC has made his bed and we all must lie in it...........

[emretezzy]

Sept 24, 2023 19:58:34 GMT Gods said:

Is AN sackable without also sacking Tricky Ricky and US Jared?

No new manager would want to be encumbered with these two lunatic fantasists would they?

Then what of JC? He gave it the large one poaching AN mid-season from Sunderland and then backed the summer trolley dash to the hilt.

He would like some special kind of fool if he then had to dispatch all 3 'wise men' and the cost of getting rid would rob us blind.

I mean what would he tell his father and sister?

I think JC has made his bed and he is going to have to lie in it.

From what we have seen.

I would give the next appointment decision in principle to Jared's recommendation.

There will be clubs performing well above XG and its about getting that type of forward thinking manager yo manage a collection of data driven players

[davejohnno1]

I said in august that a limp 1-0 defeat at home to hull in September would likely see him under pressure.

Sadly, I’d have taken a limp 1-0 defeat today as what we got was much, much worse than that.

I wouldn’t say he’s quite dead man walking yet but come the next international break he very much could be!

[yellowsnowman]

A couple more defeats id say, ( next 2 games ) the board will act much later tho. Who comes in?

Are managers gonna think fuck that place, its stank for years at stoke.. !

Whos gonna want it?

[johnnysoul60]

The worry today was this is the new team that we have been told all summer had been recruited carefully to sort our fortunes out with comprehensive analysis into their ability attitude and character, well that was not acceptable on any of those levels today.

If there is another display like this soon at HQ there will be real pressure for change but having invested so much in him, who recruits a replacement? JC clearly has no clue, and Tricky and the Recruitment genius ( see above ) are Neil appointees as far as I can see so do they go with him, we just have to hope it can turn round because it feels like a real mess if they keep today's level for many games.

Most of the players either didn't have a clue what they had been working on or worse didn't believe in it, neither is a good situation.

[FullerMagic]

How many points would he need to survive the natural break point of the international break.

Because nil points, you'd have to say, is a real possibility. Although Southampton looks more winnable than it did a few weeks ago

If he makes it that far, can he survive until Bonfire Night?






27 Sep B'mouth A
30 Sep Bristol City A
03 Oct Soton H
07 Oct Leics A
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21 Oct S'land H
25 Oct Leeds H
28 Oct Boro A
04 Nov Cardiff H
11 Nov Cov A

[benjaminbiscuit]

Oct 28th has been my view since august expressed on here so I’ll stick with that despite his bedt efforts to bring it forward , it’s always a bad sign when I’m starting to feel sorry for him as gravity ecplaninsvyo him he’s not the tactical  genius he though he was and his bromance with Jared had just bought him a charlatan and a nasty  dose of losing everywhere .
meanwhile his mate Ricky is quickly pointing out he knew about every signing just in case ,, he’s shacked up with a  man happy to dump him and a con man a very poor choice for a threesome .

[AlbertTatlock]

Sept 24, 2023 20:00:38 GMT itsmorethanagame said:

I think we are going to win at Bristol though. Our players are more than good enough to do it.

I thought that today and on Weds, I don't doubt for 1 minute or players are good enough to compete and win games I just can't see AN being able to change things and male us into play - off challengers, it's looking more likely we'll be heading for a survival fight.

Gouranga.

[itsmorethanagame]

Sept 24, 2023 20:03:38 GMT FullerMagic said:

How many points would he need to survive the natural break point of the international break.

Because nil points, you'd have to say, is a real possibility. Although Southampton looks more winnable than it did a few weeks ago

If he makes it that far, can he survive until Bonfire Night?






27 Sep B'mouth A
30 Sep Bristol City A
03 Oct Soton H
07 Oct Leics A
------------------------------
21 Oct S'land H
25 Oct Leeds H
28 Oct Boro A
04 Nov Cardiff H
11 Nov Cov A

Needs at least 3 points for sure. 0 points would leave us with no choice surely.

[itsmorethanagame]

Sept 24, 2023 20:03:38 GMT FullerMagic said:

How many points would he need to survive the natural break point of the international break.

Because nil points, you'd have to say, is a real possibility. Although Southampton looks more winnable than it did a few weeks ago

If he makes it that far, can he survive until Bonfire Night?






27 Sep B'mouth A
30 Sep Bristol City A
03 Oct Soton H
07 Oct Leics A
------------------------------
21 Oct S'land H
25 Oct Leeds H
28 Oct Boro A
04 Nov Cardiff H
11 Nov Cov A

Needs at least 3 points for sure. 0 points would leave us with no choice surely.

[Gary Hackett]

Sept 24, 2023 19:58:34 GMT Gods said:

Is AN sackable without also sacking Tricky Ricky and US Jared?

No new manager would want to be encumbered with these two lunatic fantasists would they?

Then what of JC? He gave it the large one poaching AN mid-season from Sunderland and then backed the summer trolley dash to the hilt.

JC would like some special kind of fool if he then had to dispatch all 3 'wise men' before the clocks go back and the cost of getting rid would rob us blind.

I mean what would he tell his father and sister?

I think JC has made his bed and he is going to have to lie in it.

Absolutely.

These 3 come as a package hence why he won't be sacked anytime soon.

[callas12]

Heard the pundits chatting after the Sheff Utd v Newcastle thrashing with regards to Heckingbottoms position & Les Ferdinand who obviously worked on QPR's board for a good few years say that crowds getting up & leaving the ground early is the first signals to the board that they have to strongly question their managers position, especially if it keeps happening..

Today's mass exodus after Hull popped their 3rd in will have clearly been noticed, how much notice is taken remains to be seen but a few more episodes like today's will surely not go down well upstairs.

[dirtygary69]

Hard to tell isn’t it? If we get thumped again at any point in the next few weeks (even if we win somewhere along the way) the fans will turn even more than they have. The ice is getting thinner and it’ll take more than a win or two to get everyone back onside. IF we lose anywhere, he cannot afford for us to get hammered. 

[wakefieldstokie]

He won’t be getting sacked. Not this year.

A poor game today, he’ll sort it out.

[jontimmis]

30 Sep Bristol City A
03 Oct Soton H
07 Oct Leics A
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21 Oct S'land H
25 Oct Leeds H
28 Oct Boro A
04 Nov Cardiff H
11 Nov Cov A

How many points??? 4?

[retrostoke]

2026

[gingerninja]

Has Ricky Martin worked with any other managers apart from Neil?

[binthelplates]

Today had the stench and look of a Mad Nath or Rowett end of tenure performance throughout the whole team.
The club can’t just rinse and repeat managers, it’s financial suicide and we’ve already tried that.
As for the answer if he should go or how long to give him……. Heck knows.

[Silkystoke]

I’m very worried, infact I’m stressed about our situation..!!!!
Fuckin football, fuckin Stoke ….

[LGH87]

Sept 24, 2023 20:15:05 GMT wakefieldstokie said:

He won’t be getting sacked. Not this year.

A poor game today, he’ll sort it out.

18 wins from 53 games in charge.

He’s not sorting shit out mate.

[DC1863]

I'm a bit confused where the idea of the Neil, Martin & Dublin trio package has come from?

Neil and Martin worked together at Norwich for a bit, but wouldn't Martin have been part of the decision makers that ended up sacking him?

Dublin has never worked with either of them, he's known them about 3 months or so?

Both were hired by the club, not AN, how many people would throw away their career for a work colleague?

Not saying they're infallible but if JC wants them to stay on to work with the next manager I can't imagine an eyelid will be batted by either.

It's not like coaching staff that come and go with the managers, surely the idea is that the club hire a new head coach to work alongside the existing structure, at least that's how it works elsewhere!

[Gods]

Sept 24, 2023 20:54:04 GMT DC1863 said:

I'm a bit confused where the idea of the Neil, Martin & Dublin trio package has come from?

Neil and Martin worked together at Norwich for a bit, but wouldn't Martin have been part of the decision makers that ended up sacking him?

Dublin has never worked with either of them, he's known them about 3 months or so?

Both were hired by the club, not AN, how many people would throw away their career for a work colleague?

Not saying they're infallible but if JC wants them to stay on to work with the next manager I can't imagine an eyelid will be batted by either.

It's not like coaching staff that come and go with the managers, surely the idea is that the club hire a new head coach to work alongside the existing structure, at least that's how it works elsewhere!

Yeah, god knows how we hit on Jared, seems he was a sociology student at the University of California before doing that 1-year MBA in 'Football Industries' they serve up at Liverpool University. After that he had a very brief career in business development in IT after which he went off scouting for Sheffield United and Reading.

From there he somehow, unfortunately, found his way to us under the title of 'Head of Recruitment'.

It seems to me both Ricky and Jared got a big promotion when they joined us.

Ricky went from an Academy Manager to a Technical Director and Jared from a Scout to Head of Recruitment.

I guess they both got a whopping pay rise.

I think we made a huge mistake, with both of them

[boskampsflaps]

I think he'll get the Jan window.