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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 24, 2023 21:10:51 GMT
After what the Board did to get him plus giving him free reign over everything, he won't be going anywhere soon.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 24, 2023 21:11:47 GMT
Is AN sackable without also sacking Tricky Ricky and US Jared? No new manager would want to be encumbered with these two lunatic fantasists would they? Then what of JC? He gave it the large one poaching AN mid-season from Sunderland and then backed the summer trolley dash to the hilt. JC would like some special kind of fool if he then had to dispatch all 3 'wise men' before the clocks go back and the cost of getting rid would rob us blind. I mean what would he tell his father and sister? I think JC has made his bed and he is going to have to lie in it. Yes. What makes Jared a fantasist?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 24, 2023 21:11:59 GMT
I'm a bit confused where the idea of the Neil, Martin & Dublin trio package has come from? Neil and Martin worked together at Norwich for a bit, but wouldn't Martin have been part of the decision makers that ended up sacking him? Dublin has never worked with either of them, he's known them about 3 months or so? Both were hired by the club, not AN, how many people would throw away their career for a work colleague? Not saying they're infallible but if JC wants them to stay on to work with the next manager I can't imagine an eyelid will be batted by either. It's not like coaching staff that come and go with the managers, surely the idea is that the club hire a new head coach to work alongside the existing structure, at least that's how it works elsewhere! Yeah, god knows how we hit on Jared, seems he was a sociology student at the University of California before doing that 1-year MBA in 'Football Industries' they serve up at Liverpool University. After that he had a very brief career in business development in IT after which he went off scouting for Sheffield United and Reading. From there he somehow, unfortunately, found his way to us under the title of 'Head of Recruitment'. It seems to me both Ricky and Jared got a big promotion when they joined us. Ricky went from an Academy Manager to a Technical Director and Jared from a Scout to Head of Recruitment. I guess they both got a whopping pay rise. I think we made a huge mistake, with both of them Spot on
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 24, 2023 21:13:25 GMT
I think we will give him as long as we feasibly can. Mainly because we have had a big turnover of both staff and players and we could really, really do without more upheaval. Ultimately how long he lasts will depend on the results. Go and win at Bristol on the weekend and start picking up results here and there and he will buy himself plenty of time. But if we lose the next two in a row, I think it’s game over. I think we are going to win at Bristol though. Our players are more than good enough to do it. They are good enough, untill AN hamstrings them.
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Post by Gods on Sept 24, 2023 21:15:59 GMT
Is AN sackable without also sacking Tricky Ricky and US Jared? No new manager would want to be encumbered with these two lunatic fantasists would they? Then what of JC? He gave it the large one poaching AN mid-season from Sunderland and then backed the summer trolley dash to the hilt. JC would like some special kind of fool if he then had to dispatch all 3 'wise men' before the clocks go back and the cost of getting rid would rob us blind. I mean what would he tell his father and sister? I think JC has made his bed and he is going to have to lie in it. Yes. What makes Jared a fantasist? I can't find a better word to encapsulate his 19 man summer spending spree, make that 18 one has left already, if you can let's hear it?
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 24, 2023 21:16:14 GMT
After what the Board did to get him plus giving him free reign over everything, he won't be going anywhere soon. I would agree to an extent. But if we are in the bottom three by the international break with just two wins on the board then how could he not be sacked. I want AN to succeed, but he has got an almighty uphill battle over the next three or four weeks.
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Post by sticky on Sept 24, 2023 21:16:43 GMT
I said top half after 12 games should be a minimum, but can’t see how that’s going to happen. I suppose if after 12 games we’re looking like we’ve got some type of identity/plan/settled team and formation, then more would be on board.. can’t see any of it atm though. Some tough fixtures coming up but you never know!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 21:17:23 GMT
Kinda baffled why Jared Dublin is getting stick to be fair. He did his job?
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Post by jay1610 on Sept 24, 2023 21:19:54 GMT
After what the Board did to get him plus giving him free reign over everything, he won't be going anywhere soon. He was brought in to improve performances and league position. After more than 12 months he’s done neither. If that doesn’t change very, very soon he needs fucking off - regardless of what we did to get him.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 24, 2023 21:19:59 GMT
Not long hopefully
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Post by Gods on Sept 24, 2023 21:24:10 GMT
Kinda baffled why Jared Dublin is getting stick to be fair. He did his job? Well he brought in 19 players. I suppose the question is if any of them are any good, suitable for the battlefield scene that is the Championship? Based on the evidence thus far, I'm kind of doubtful. 'Vidigal' I hear you say, well that's one. Another 4 weeks like this and this seasons a gonna, it may be already.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 24, 2023 21:27:00 GMT
Kinda baffled why Jared Dublin is getting stick to be fair. He did his job? Well be brought in 19 players. I suppose the question is how many of them are any good, are suitable for the battlefield scene that is the Championship? I'm kind of doubtful. He categorically did not do his job , it’s like saying the orchard keeper did his job if he collects 18 apples , the fact the majority of them are rotten and inedible , absolutely not gir for purpose at best , says he did not .
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Post by sportsman on Sept 24, 2023 21:42:50 GMT
That the defence is scaring me death no matter who we play or say baring a miracle it's not going get much better anytime soon.
I honestly can't trust any defender that player today. My worry is that though is like most managers, whenever it gets like that you end up playing more back 5's because you know they can't defend
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 24, 2023 21:44:42 GMT
I’m very worried, infact I’m stressed about our situation..!!!! Fuckin football, fuckin Stoke …. It’s fine mate, it’s Monday tomorrow😀
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 24, 2023 21:50:04 GMT
Yes. What makes Jared a fantasist? I can't find a better word to encapsulate his 19 man summer spending spree, make that 18 one has left already, if you can let's hear it? Still not sure why doing his job makes him a fantasist, we needed a lot of players and they managed it, although I'd argue we didn't sign enough. Maybe I'm missing your point.
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Post by pavel on Sept 24, 2023 22:17:24 GMT
How long has he got, probably far too long. It's looking rancid now.
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Post by march4 on Sept 24, 2023 22:17:24 GMT
He's got at least 5 years if we are going to be patient.
In my 50 years thread, Waddo was frequently struggling as we flirted with relegation for season after season after season.
Indeed, exactly 50 years ago, he was on the precipice as we still hadn't won a game that season and had produced a series of dire performances that left supporters concerned and disappointed. We again found ourselves just above the relegation zone and in the coming week were to play the two teams occupying the bottom two spots.
However, we stuck with him and not wanting to spoil the next chapter for younger supporters we were on the verge of something wonderful.
Indeed we had been through this with Waddo in the late 60's as well, just before the cup triumphs.
I'm not for a second suggesting AN is a patch on Waddo but managers have to be given time to bring their plans to fruition. Waddo was given 17 years, most of which was pretty dreadful but there were three quite wonderful success stories in that time that made it all worth while.
And for anyone who is impatient, it took him 3 years to get us promoted in the first place.
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Post by ibby on Sept 24, 2023 22:18:41 GMT
I hope he is sacked Monday, when I wake up.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 24, 2023 22:28:06 GMT
He's got at least 5 years if we are going to be patient. In my 50 years thread, Waddo was frequently struggling as we flirted with relegation for season after season after season. Indeed, exactly 50 years ago, he was on the precipice as we still hadn't won a game that season and had produced a series of dire performances that left supporters concerned and disappointed. We again found ourselves just above the relegation zone and in the coming week were to play the two teams occupying the bottom two spots. However, we stuck with him and not wanting to spoil the next chapter for younger supporters we were on the verge of something wonderful. Indeed we had been through this with Waddo in the late 60's as well, just before the cup triumphs. I'm not for a second suggesting AN is a patch on Waddo but managers have to be given time to bring their plans to fruition. Waddo was given 17 years, most of which was pretty dreadful but there were three quite wonderful success stories in that time that made it all worth while. And for anyone who is impatient, it took him 3 years to get us promoted in the first place. In fairness we'd drawn 5 of the 8 games and the defeats were against Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal. Not Hull at home.....................
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 24, 2023 23:37:46 GMT
30 Sep Bristol City A 03 Oct Soton H 07 Oct Leics A ------------------------------ 21 Oct S'land H 25 Oct Leeds H 28 Oct Boro A 04 Nov Cardiff H 11 Nov Cov A How many points??? 4? I’d agree with this. Anything less than 4 points from the next three games and it has to be Goodnight Vienna for Neil. And it’s not just about this season, but his record with us since he joined. If he thinks he can’t have been expected to get more out of the players he had last season then he’s pulling a fast one. Southampton looks like the battle of the inept managers, and we have to be looking to get 3 points from that. I’m more or less writing off the Leicester game.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 24, 2023 23:50:15 GMT
Yes. What makes Jared a fantasist? I can't find a better word to encapsulate his 19 man summer spending spree, make that 18 one has left already, if you can let's hear it? Dublin identifies the players, he doesn't sign them so this "his 19 man summer spending spree" line is just pure bollocks. Is he a fantasist (which is a bizarre word to use in this context but it's you so I'm not surprised) or a bloke who has simply done his job?
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 24, 2023 23:52:23 GMT
I can't find a better word to encapsulate his 19 man summer spending spree, make that 18 one has left already, if you can let's hear it? Still not sure why doing his job makes him a fantasist, we needed a lot of players and they managed it, although I'd argue we didn't sign enough. Maybe I'm missing your point. It's Gods being Gods, he very rarely has a point and just wants a moan. Poor sod is still waiting for the Coates family to make a statement. He still doesn't know what he wants covering in that statement, he just wants one.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 25, 2023 1:45:32 GMT
That’s four managers in row who come in with promising resumes and left the club in worst shape than when they came in: Rowett, Jones, O’Neil and Neil. I am now convinced it’s not the manager but they always get the blame. Stoke City FC has the smell of a toxic workplace and the only fix is get rid of upper management. If that means selling the club, so be it. It hasn’t done Nottingham Forest or Newcastle any harm. But I am sick of this shit.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 25, 2023 1:52:37 GMT
30 Sep Bristol City A 03 Oct Soton H 07 Oct Leics A ------------------------------ 21 Oct S'land H 25 Oct Leeds H 28 Oct Boro A 04 Nov Cardiff H 11 Nov Cov A How many points??? 4? I’d agree with this. Anything less than 4 points from the next three games and it has to be Goodnight Vienna for Neil. And it’s not just about this season, but his record with us since he joined. If he thinks he can’t have been expected to get more out of the players he had last season then he’s pulling a fast one. Southampton looks like the battle of the inept managers, and we have to be looking to get 3 points from that. I’m more or less writing off the Leicester game. To add insult to injury, we have only a draw in the past five games. Based on past performances I can’t us getting much of anything out of any those eight. Soton, Leicester, and Leeds are recent Premier League teams, Bristol City are playing well and Sunderland will be out for revenge. It will be Oct 25 before I see any chance of picking up a point. This is as bad as it’s been since relegation.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 25, 2023 7:49:18 GMT
In a perfect world, you'd obviously draw a line this summer, and say 'ok, we've brought in all these new players, he's got until Christmas regardless'.
But the reality is that never happens, and lines in the sand like that can never be drawn. Because emotion always wins the day.
Yesterday was a big day for his Stoke tenure and a really big crack has formed. He may win people back with a win, but they'll only ever be a defeat away from being lost again.
He's got the baggage of the past 5 years (which is absolutely not his fault)
But also the baggage of last season (which absolutely is)
So the longer we stay in point-a-game territory throughout autumn and this run of games from hell, his position could be absolutely untenable. I think he's going to need a couple of unexpected wins now to keep the wolf from the door to make it through to Bonfire Night - and it's not immediately clear where they're coming from, with a team that looks to be missing key components who will be suffering with confidence issues
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Post by idle on Sept 25, 2023 8:09:59 GMT
Kinda baffled why Jared Dublin is getting stick to be fair. He did his job? Well he brought in 19 players. I suppose the question is if any of them are any good, suitable for the battlefield scene that is the Championship? Based on the evidence thus far, I'm kind of doubtful. 'Vidigal' I hear you say, well that's one. Another 4 weeks like this and this seasons a gonna, it may be already. I disagree with this. It wasn't Jared that let Tymon leave. Or Brown. Instant success: Vidigal Gook-to-OK start: Burger, Johnson, Gooch, Haksabanovic Average: Wesley, Mmaee, Stevens Poor: Rose, McNally, Leris, Chic Future: Junho, Junior, Jojic (all J's for some reason) Not his signings: Hoever, Travers, Pearson And who's the 19th? I see a team, with a few sparsely populated position (CB,LB,CF), perfectly capable of a top 10 finish. What I don't see anymore is a manger capable of that.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 25, 2023 9:23:36 GMT
Is AN sackable without also sacking Tricky Ricky and US Jared? No new manager would want to be encumbered with these two lunatic fantasists would they? Then what of JC? He gave it the large one poaching AN mid-season from Sunderland and then backed the summer trolley dash to the hilt. He would like some special kind of fool if he then had to dispatch all 3 'wise men' and the cost of getting rid would rob us blind. I mean what would he tell his father and sister? I think JC has made his bed and he is going to have to lie in it. From what we have seen. I would give the next appointment decision in principle to Jared's recommendation. There will be clubs performing well above XG and it's about getting that type of forward thinking manager yo manage a collection of data driven players I was reading a great interview yesterday with the Preston manager who said he just wants a committed well organised honest bunch of lads and the only data he is interested in is the points total in the table , that's the type of manager I want , football is a simple game mostly played by and watched by simple creatures , only the elite benefit from theese tiny margins , the rest get confused as we saw yesterday .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 9:29:46 GMT
Kinda baffled why Jared Dublin is getting stick to be fair. He did his job? Well he brought in 19 players. I suppose the question is if any of them are any good, suitable for the battlefield scene that is the Championship? Based on the evidence thus far, I'm kind of doubtful. 'Vidigal' I hear you say, well that's one. Another 4 weeks like this and this seasons a gonna, it may be already. I mean Vidigal for sure but I’ve been impressed in spells with Mmaee, Burger, Bae, Haks and Travers so far. Even Wesley I can see the logic in. The defence is a nightmare for sure, and statistically a number of signings won’t work out/will flop, but I honestly think we’ve brought a decent group in that need to be used effectively. Right now they aren’t.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 25, 2023 9:31:18 GMT
I'm a bit confused where the idea of the Neil, Martin & Dublin trio package has come from? Neil and Martin worked together at Norwich for a bit, but wouldn't Martin have been part of the decision makers that ended up sacking him? Dublin has never worked with either of them, he's known them about 3 months or so? Both were hired by the club, not AN, how many people would throw away their career for a work colleague? Not saying they're infallible but if JC wants them to stay on to work with the next manager I can't imagine an eyelid will be batted by either. It's not like coaching staff that come and go with the managers, surely the idea is that the club hire a new head coach to work alongside the existing structure, at least that's how it works elsewhere! Yeah, god knows how we hit on Jared, seems he was a sociology student at the University of California before doing that 1-year MBA in 'Football Industries' they serve up at Liverpool University. After that he had a very brief career in business development in IT after which he went off scouting for Sheffield United and Reading. From there he somehow, unfortunately, found his way to us under the title of 'Head of Recruitment'. It seems to me both Ricky and Jared got a big promotion when they joined us. Ricky went from an Academy Manager to a Technical Director and Jared from a Scout to Head of Recruitment. I guess they both got a whopping pay rise. Tricky would not have had the seniority at Norwich at that time, Jared was not in charge at Sheff U so neither has any track record to be trusted do they? If he cannot turn it round it will need an experienced stop gap Warnock type manager to simplify things and keep us up and hopefully JC accepting that he knows nothing about football and investing serious money in a proper Director of football to plan the future.
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Post by professorplump on Sept 25, 2023 10:00:24 GMT
Don't know why Jared is getting so much criticism. Most of the players that we have signed seem of decent quality. The issues are squarely with the manager and his confusing tactical decisions. If he adopted one formation and stuck to it, the players would settle in much quicker. If he really wanted to play with wing backs he should never have sold Tymon. I think he has one more month to demonstrate some sort of progress. If we have to replace the manager, then ideally I would like the new manager to have at least a month in charge before the transfer window opens. If AN is sacked then Canning and Gallagher will leave with him. I don't think it follows that Ricky Martin or Jared Dublin would automatically leave.
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