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Post by philb on Sept 25, 2023 10:15:28 GMT
Is AN sackable without also sacking Tricky Ricky and US Jared? No new manager would want to be encumbered with these two lunatic fantasists would they? Then what of JC? He gave it the large one poaching AN mid-season from Sunderland and then backed the summer trolley dash to the hilt. JC would like some special kind of fool if he then had to dispatch all 3 'wise men' before the clocks go back and the cost of getting rid would rob us blind. I mean what would he tell his father and sister? I think JC has made his bed and he is going to have to lie in it. Hopefully the owners will realise like they have with player recruitment, that recruiting British managers isnt the only option. When that will happen god only knows but if results continue the way they are it will surely be sooner rather than later.
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Post by hoppo96 on Sept 25, 2023 10:21:58 GMT
From what we have seen. I would give the next appointment decision in principle to Jared's recommendation. There will be clubs performing well above XG and it's about getting that type of forward thinking manager yo manage a collection of data driven players I was reading a great interview yesterday with the Preston manager who said he just wants a committed well organised honest bunch of lads and the only data he is interested in is the points total in the table , that's the type of manager I want , football is a simple game mostly played by and watched by simple creatures , only the elite benefit from theese tiny margins , the rest get confused as we saw yesterday . every club in the league probably thinks they can achieve their objectives just by 'working hard'. Sometimes it's the tactics.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 25, 2023 10:22:38 GMT
Football is not 'a simple game'.
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Post by Gods on Sept 25, 2023 10:26:08 GMT
Well he brought in 19 players. I suppose the question is if any of them are any good, suitable for the battlefield scene that is the Championship? Based on the evidence thus far, I'm kind of doubtful. 'Vidigal' I hear you say, well that's one. Another 4 weeks like this and this seasons a gonna, it may be already. I disagree with this. It wasn't Jared that let Tymon leave. Or Brown. Instant success: Vidigal Gook-to-OK start: Burger, Johnson, Gooch, Haksabanovic Average: Wesley, Mmaee, Stevens Poor: Rose, McNally, Leris, Chic Future: Junho, Junior, Jojic (all J's for some reason) Not his signings: Hoever, Travers, Pearson And who's the 19th? I see a team, with a few sparsely populated position (CB,LB,CF), perfectly capable of a top 10 finish. What I don't see anymore is a manger capable of that. The 19th? I think someone went back already. Good analysis!
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 25, 2023 10:28:00 GMT
When MON was sacked wasn't there a list of 3 possible candidates for the vacancy interviewed within a few days?
This talk of talking to someone from another club would prove costly (again) yet the list of out of work "regulars" doesn't exactly inspire me
But then again what type of manager do we want?
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Post by idle on Sept 25, 2023 10:41:13 GMT
I disagree with this. It wasn't Jared that let Tymon leave. Or Brown. Instant success: Vidigal Good-to-OK start: Burger, Johnson, Gooch, Haksabanovic Average: Wesley, Mmaee, Stevens Poor: Rose, McNally, Leris, Chic Future: Junho, Junior, Jojic (all J's for some reason) Not his signings: Hoever, Travers, Pearson And who's the 19th? I see a team, with a few sparsely populated position (CB,LB,CF), perfectly capable of a top 10 finish. What I don't see anymore is a manger capable of that. The 19th? I think someone went back already. Good analysis! No, "Chic" is the fella that went back (Chiquinho?). I thought it was 17 new players, plus him. Anyway, the "success rate" is 5/18 already, and 8 (nearly half) if you count the average ones. I'm sure the 2 poor and at least Junho will come good as well, so I think Jared has done a good job so far. AN, on the other hand...
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Post by idle on Sept 25, 2023 10:44:02 GMT
When MON was sacked wasn't there a list of 3 possible candidates for the vacancy interviewed within a few days? This talk of talking to someone from another club would prove costly (again) yet the list of out of work "regulars" doesn't exactly inspire me But then again what type of manager do we want? We want a Carlos Corberan-type. 4231 as their favorite formation, and not shy about dropping underperformers. On the other hand, WBA isn't very good this year, but they've stabilized with some draws and 2-4-2 in the first 8 matches.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 25, 2023 11:10:53 GMT
Don't know why Jared is getting so much criticism. Most of the players that we have signed seem of decent quality. The issues are squarely with the manager and his confusing tactical decisions. If he adopted one formation and stuck to it, the players would settle in much quicker. If he really wanted to play with wing backs he should never have sold Tymon. I think he has one more month to demonstrate some sort of progress. If we have to replace the manager, then ideally I would like the new manager to have at least a month in charge before the transfer window opens. If AN is sacked then Canning and Gallagher will leave with him. I don't think it follows that Ricky Martin or Jared Dublin would automatically leave. I attach no blame to our current malaise whatsoever with Jared. He has identified some very good players and fair play to the club, they backed his judgement in the transfer market. Our squad is miles better than what we had last season. We're just currently lumbered with a clueless manager who doesn't know how to make best use of his considerable resources. One month is far too long. Anything less than 4 points from Bristol and Southampton, get him gone. I don't really see why Tricky needs to go as well. Neil may have wanted him in, but that doesn't mean he's incapable of carrying on his job and supporting the next manager. We should be using Tricky's academy knowledge from his West Ham days to help further develop our own academy.
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Post by walrus on Sept 25, 2023 11:13:35 GMT
That’s four managers in row who come in with promising resumes and left the club in worst shape than when they came in: Rowett, Jones, O’Neil and Neil. Not fair on O’Neill. He took over an absolute shit show from Jones and brought stability.
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Post by walrus on Sept 25, 2023 11:17:18 GMT
I think people demanding Coates, Dublin etc. out are overcomplicating.
We just need a manager that doesn’t insist on playing wing-backs and using players out of position.
The squad is more than good enough to be competitive in the Championship, Neil just doesn’t have a clue how to get a tune out of it.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 25, 2023 11:21:14 GMT
I think people demanding Coates, Dublin etc. out are overcomplicating. We just need a manager that doesn’t insist on playing wing-backs and using players out of position. Who basically can set a team up from what looks a reasonably decent bunch of players at this level
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Sept 25, 2023 11:22:29 GMT
Till the international break on October 7th would be my guess….. Having stewed on it for a day, it feels like the chances of an interim coming in and doing anything in the next 3 games are slim to none. I wouldn’t be surprised if he stays in charge until the date you say, and only stays after that if he pulls off what seems like a miracle (a decent points tally against that opposition)
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Post by StatesideStokie on Sept 25, 2023 11:51:00 GMT
Unless he can conjure an epic turnaround over the next three games, I can see that home game against Sunderland becoming very, very uncomfortable for him.
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Post by questionable on Sept 25, 2023 11:59:07 GMT
Getting to the stage now whereby I couldn’t care less what the owners do, remarkable how we get it so wrong time and time again.
AN is a complete lune how he keeps changing things and thinks playing Thompson and DJ as a wing back makes sense, nut job.
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Post by campbellsleftpeg on Sept 25, 2023 12:01:36 GMT
alex neil is nowhere near getting the sack.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 25, 2023 12:06:19 GMT
alex neil is nowhere near getting the sack. Another 2-3 performances and results like yesterday and he will be.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 25, 2023 12:12:35 GMT
With the run of games being what it is, we could do okay and still end up with something like 14 points from 15 games
At that stage, fans will be in revolt, the house will be on fire, and what the ownership would ideally like to do doesn't really count for much.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 25, 2023 12:16:32 GMT
alex neil is nowhere near getting the sack. Another 2-3 performances and results like yesterday and he will be. Yep, I'd be surprised if JC hadn't already sounded out Tricky and Jared and advised them to start drawing up a list of potential candidates should the inevitable happen.
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Post by campbellsleftpeg on Sept 25, 2023 12:18:38 GMT
alex neil is nowhere near getting the sack. Another 2-3 performances and results like yesterday and he will be. wont be going anywhere till christmas
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 25, 2023 12:19:19 GMT
Another 2-3 performances and results like yesterday and he will be. wont be going anywhere till christmas He won't get to Christmas if there are many more performances like yesterday.
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Post by campbellsleftpeg on Sept 25, 2023 12:20:26 GMT
wont be going anywhere till christmas He won't get to Christmas if there are many more performances like yesterday. i hope your right....
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Post by Gods on Sept 25, 2023 12:23:13 GMT
With the run of games being what it is, we could do okay and still end up with something like 14 points from 15 games At that stage, fans will be in revolt, the house will be on fire, and what the ownership would ideally like to do doesn't really count for much. Exactly this. There was always going to be trouble if we screwed up on the early, relatively gentle fixtures. Although you can talk yourself in to the idea they were harder than they looked on paper if you are feeling generous. It seems there are 2 schools of thought here... 1.We have an arse kicking squad now and we just need someone to lead them. 2.We made a horlicks of the summer recruitment drive and no one could get a tune out of them
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Post by Veritas on Sept 25, 2023 12:27:37 GMT
Another 2-3 performances and results like yesterday and he will be. Yep, I'd be surprised if JC hadn't already sounded out Tricky and Jared and advised them to start drawing up a list of potential candidates should the inevitable happen. Any business will always have a fluid succession plan to deal with the unexpected
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 25, 2023 12:31:25 GMT
With the run of games being what it is, we could do okay and still end up with something like 14 points from 15 games At that stage, fans will be in revolt, the house will be on fire, and what the ownership would ideally like to do doesn't really count for much. It's really difficult though, isn't it? If you put a number of points up against games played it doesn't tell the whole story. If we win 2 out of the last 3 (for instance & if he survived that long) at the end of that run, you might look at it and think we've actually improved overall, given the opposition. If you're saying 14 points from 15 games (based on the upcoming opposition) is unacceptable now, then you might as well sack him now, because that could quite easily be our points total. We've really ballsed up these last two home games, and should have got a point at Norwich. There is no room for maneuver for him now, he simply has to start picking up points.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 25, 2023 12:33:56 GMT
Anything less than 3 points from the next 3, he’ll go at the next international break.
No point in waiting until the break after, as we’ll be in too dire straits by then.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 25, 2023 12:37:44 GMT
Another 2-3 performances and results like yesterday and he will be. wont be going anywhere till christmas you should write imo after that , because that’s all it is
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 12:52:43 GMT
Yes. What makes Jared a fantasist? I can't find a better word to encapsulate his 19 man summer spending spree, make that 18 one has left already, if you can let's hear it? Mmaee, Jun-ho, Leris, Burger, Jojic and Vidigal and possibly Tchamadeu are probably the only Dublin influenced signings and I've still got high hopes for the majority of them in the long term. I think out of those Jun-ho, Jojic and Tchamadeu were signed as investments in potential. I think all the rest are Neil driven, players he's either worked with or been linked to before. They would have signed if Dublin was here or not.
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Post by idle on Sept 25, 2023 12:57:17 GMT
1.We have an arse kicking squad now and we just need someone to lead them. Or rather, we have a decent squad with a few weak spots, but should be doing much better and would have, if the man in charge didn't look like he's desperatly throwing things against the wall to see if it sticks.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 25, 2023 13:04:16 GMT
It amazes me when people come on here saying "he is nowhere near getting the sack". If there is a wretched run of results, which there could well be, no owners in their right mind would not act.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Sept 25, 2023 13:07:27 GMT
About 7 inches?
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