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Post by stokemark on Feb 12, 2024 21:44:45 GMT
I've just had a look through Dublin's LinkedIn profile and whilst his education reads as pretty impressive on the top line to be fair, but I was more interested to learn more about his Level 1 in Player Identification qualification that he lists amongst his attributes. PFSA LEVEL 1 TALENT IDENTIFICATION IN FOOTBALL - CREATED BY EXPERIENCED PREMIER LEAGUE TALENT IDENTIFICATION SPECIALISTS It costs fifty quid, takes roughly 4-6 hours to complete, is undertaken online and is, cough, "a great stepping stone into a career in football." It is the first of twelve qualification available through the PFSA. Just eleven more to go, Jared. It's really interesting Skip - most of his 'licences and certifications' are pretty simple online / one or two day courses - the sort I wouldn't bother having on my CV Makes you wonder
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Post by idle on Feb 12, 2024 21:48:39 GMT
Pugh was for a long period a top half champ player? Tongue was a top quality champ player on the prem fringes. Kopteff I was referring to as similar to what we have. So yes 2/3 are better than we currently have. Bae and Burger have shown glimpses of being both good and shit. No one knows if they will make it, but as it stands Tongues career is one that Burger would do well to replicate never mind succeed. Whelan was 10x the player burger is. By all means talk about potential, but look at Jamie Vardy, look at John Walters, potential isn't always obvious and right now our squad is staring league 1 in the face. Not 1 player gets in a top half champ side with any regulatory. On potential? No one even knows. Based on facts, they are all doing very very poorly. How many has Bae scored and assisted again? 3 assists. Pretty good for a young lad in his first season half way around the world from home. Also he took more steps up from the South Korean league than we've taken in stairs our whole lives. He's been impressive, even if he hasn't scored yet. I think you have your rose-tinted glasses on. Tongue had a good career, but not for us. I don't care what he did at Soton or whereever he was when he was good. He was bang average for us. Pugh was alright, and would probably get in our team on his day, but that's not really a high bar is it? Bang average championship player. Kopteff was shite, he was ok+ in the Norwegian league for one season. That was it. You speak about potential, but I've not taken that into account. Burger has made an almost immediate impact, we've finally found a midfielder who can pass forward with accuracy! Just for that he's a god damn hero! When you add up how he's all over the pitch every single game, he's been great. One of the few positive points this season. Bae has incredible close control, and combined with a top work ethic, he's also been great. When his goal output increases he'll disappear into the PL or the Bundeliga. Junior hasn't played enough for me to say if he's been good yet. Promising few games, but too early to be labeled a success. As for being both good and shit, every player in the championship is that, even at Leicester. If you don't remember Pugh or Tongue or Kopteff having bad games...well I do. Plenty of them.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 12, 2024 21:58:04 GMT
I agree with all this, it was just citynicks saying that Pugh, Kopteff and Tongue are just as good as Burger that ticked me off. I liked all of those, but they aren't anywhere near Burger, and probably not better than Bae or Junior (and those two have time on their side). I also think all our CBs would be great playing alongside a defensive leader, but we've got none. Some thought Clark was going to be that, but he's never seemed like that to me. Just a Newcastle has-been, never really good enough to stand out there and now way past it. I want to know who said "fuck the LB and CB, we'll go for a winger", even if Million may be a good signing. It was not what we needed, although I suspect he'll chip in with some goals and assists. There were several LBs available who could have done an ok job until the summer, for example that dude from Luton, Giles? He also comes from a no-nonsense, hardworking environment, which is sorely lacking at CW, with a few exceptions. Would have been a perfect signing, loan or otherwise. Pugh was for a long period a top half champ player? Tongue was a top quality champ player on the prem fringes. Kopteff I was referring to as similar to what we have. So yes 2/3 are better than we currently have. Bae and Burger have shown glimpses of being both good and shit. No one knows if they will make it, but as it stands Tongues career is one that Burger would do well to replicate never mind succeed. Whelan was 10x the player burger is. By all means talk about potential, but look at Jamie Vardy, look at John Walters, potential isn't always obvious and right now our squad is staring league 1 in the face. Not 1 player gets in a top half champ side with any regulatory. On potential? No one even knows. Based on facts, they are all doing very very poorly. How many has Bae scored and assisted again? Burger would get in a top half Championship side fairly easily. He'd probably get into some play-off chasing sides as well. I don't think we should undervalue that he is currently managing to look like a good footballer in a team of utter shite.
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Post by pushon on Feb 13, 2024 0:00:08 GMT
I agree with all this, it was just citynicks saying that Pugh, Kopteff and Tongue are just as good as Burger that ticked me off. I liked all of those, but they aren't anywhere near Burger, and probably not better than Bae or Junior (and those two have time on their side). I also think all our CBs would be great playing alongside a defensive leader, but we've got none. Some thought Clark was going to be that, but he's never seemed like that to me. Just a Newcastle has-been, never really good enough to stand out there and now way past it. I want to know who said "fuck the LB and CB, we'll go for a winger", even if Million may be a good signing. It was not what we needed, although I suspect he'll chip in with some goals and assists. There were several LBs available who could have done an ok job until the summer, for example that dude from Luton, Giles? He also comes from a no-nonsense, hardworking environment, which is sorely lacking at CW, with a few exceptions. Would have been a perfect signing, loan or otherwise. Pugh was for a long period a top half champ player? Tongue was a top quality champ player on the prem fringes. Kopteff I was referring to as similar to what we have. So yes 2/3 are better than we currently have. Bae and Burger have shown glimpses of being both good and shit. No one knows if they will make it, but as it stands Tongues career is one that Burger would do well to replicate never mind succeed. Whelan was 10x the player burger is. By all means talk about potential, but look at Jamie Vardy, look at John Walters, potential isn't always obvious and right now our squad is staring league 1 in the face. Not 1 player gets in a top half champ side with any regulatory. On potential? No one even knows. Based on facts, they are all doing very very poorly. How many has Bae scored and assisted again? You surely can't believe that Whelan was 10x(times?) the player as Burger.... Whelan really??? The only thing he could be considered good at was holding his position in the Pulis cage and kicking any opposition player who came near him. A 'holding' player was a good way to describe him.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 13, 2024 1:56:11 GMT
Pugh was for a long period a top half champ player? Tongue was a top quality champ player on the prem fringes. Kopteff I was referring to as similar to what we have. So yes 2/3 are better than we currently have. Bae and Burger have shown glimpses of being both good and shit. No one knows if they will make it, but as it stands Tongues career is one that Burger would do well to replicate never mind succeed. Whelan was 10x the player burger is. By all means talk about potential, but look at Jamie Vardy, look at John Walters, potential isn't always obvious and right now our squad is staring league 1 in the face. Not 1 player gets in a top half champ side with any regulatory. On potential? No one even knows. Based on facts, they are all doing very very poorly. How many has Bae scored and assisted again? You surely can't believe that Whelan was 10x(times?) the player as Burger.... Whelan really??? The only thing he could be considered good at was holding his position in the Pulis cage and kicking any opposition player who came near him. A 'holding' player was a good way to describe him. Yes at the moment Whelan was a better player than Burger is now. He was consistent, motivated, never bullied and his passing was reliable. Burger is very young and may develop over time but I'd choose Whelan over Burger in my team.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 13, 2024 2:08:36 GMT
Pugh was for a long period a top half champ player? Tongue was a top quality champ player on the prem fringes. Kopteff I was referring to as similar to what we have. So yes 2/3 are better than we currently have. Bae and Burger have shown glimpses of being both good and shit. No one knows if they will make it, but as it stands Tongues career is one that Burger would do well to replicate never mind succeed. Whelan was 10x the player burger is. By all means talk about potential, but look at Jamie Vardy, look at John Walters, potential isn't always obvious and right now our squad is staring league 1 in the face. Not 1 player gets in a top half champ side with any regulatory. On potential? No one even knows. Based on facts, they are all doing very very poorly. How many has Bae scored and assisted again? Burger would get in a top half Championship side fairly easily. He'd probably get into some play-off chasing sides as well. I don't think we should undervalue that he is currently managing to look like a good footballer in a team of utter shite. I think he’s looked quite poor in the last few games to be honest. I think that this inverted fullback thing hasn’t helped him. He’s having to do a lot more work than he should and he isn’t getting any time to showcase what he can actually do on the ball. To me, we are sacrificing the qualities of our best player to play a system that doesn’t really suit our full backs either. Also, last year people were talking about Pearson being a better player than Whelan 😂. Glenn Whelan has had a better career than the vast majority of people to ever kick a ball. If Burger has had half as good a career (which I think he will do) when all is said and done, he should be very happy.
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 13, 2024 3:17:37 GMT
Dublin is Dale from Cuckoo.
A complete fucking loon.
I bet he calls his boss Chief John.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 13, 2024 11:49:33 GMT
Pugh was for a long period a top half champ player? Tongue was a top quality champ player on the prem fringes. Kopteff I was referring to as similar to what we have. So yes 2/3 are better than we currently have. Bae and Burger have shown glimpses of being both good and shit. No one knows if they will make it, but as it stands Tongues career is one that Burger would do well to replicate never mind succeed. Whelan was 10x the player burger is. By all means talk about potential, but look at Jamie Vardy, look at John Walters, potential isn't always obvious and right now our squad is staring league 1 in the face. Not 1 player gets in a top half champ side with any regulatory. On potential? No one even knows. Based on facts, they are all doing very very poorly. How many has Bae scored and assisted again? You surely can't believe that Whelan was 10x(times?) the player as Burger.... Whelan really??? The only thing he could be considered good at was holding his position in the Pulis cage and kicking any opposition player who came near him. A 'holding' player was a good way to describe him. We failed to replace him time and time again and at villa he played a crucial part in a premiership promotion team. He played in the prem for 10 years. So yes, way better than burger. 100%
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Post by callas12 on Feb 14, 2024 9:03:50 GMT
This is an interesting watch & Sam Parkin alludes to the fact that Stokes recruitment hasn't been the best and he refers to majority of them as duds!
Not that Sam Parkin is the voice of EFL expertise but its interesting that he says he'd done his research prep on us prior to doing this podcast & he thinks we're the club most in danger of falling into that bottom 3.
0.76 pts average per game for Stoke currently is a stat mentioned here as well, 2nd worst only to... Rotherham!
Recruitment quite clearly has been a disaster & folk outside the SCFC bubble are cottoning on to this also now it would appear.
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Post by greenman on Feb 14, 2024 9:08:38 GMT
Well done Sam Parkin for stating the bleeding obvious.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 14, 2024 9:44:34 GMT
Pugh was for a long period a top half champ player? Tongue was a top quality champ player on the prem fringes. Kopteff I was referring to as similar to what we have. So yes 2/3 are better than we currently have. Bae and Burger have shown glimpses of being both good and shit. No one knows if they will make it, but as it stands Tongues career is one that Burger would do well to replicate never mind succeed. Whelan was 10x the player burger is. By all means talk about potential, but look at Jamie Vardy, look at John Walters, potential isn't always obvious and right now our squad is staring league 1 in the face. Not 1 player gets in a top half champ side with any regulatory. On potential? No one even knows. Based on facts, they are all doing very very poorly. How many has Bae scored and assisted again? 3 assists. Pretty good for a young lad in his first season half way around the world from home. Also he took more steps up from the South Korean league than we've taken in stairs our whole lives. He's been impressive, even if he hasn't scored yet. I think you have your rose-tinted glasses on. Tongue had a good career, but not for us. I don't care what he did at Soton or whereever he was when he was good. He was bang average for us. Pugh was alright, and would probably get in our team on his day, but that's not really a high bar is it? Bang average championship player. Kopteff was shite, he was ok+ in the Norwegian league for one season. That was it. You speak about potential, but I've not taken that into account. Burger has made an almost immediate impact, we've finally found a midfielder who can pass forward with accuracy! Just for that he's a god damn hero! When you add up how he's all over the pitch every single game, he's been great. One of the few positive points this season. Bae has incredible close control, and combined with a top work ethic, he's also been great. When his goal output increases he'll disappear into the PL or the Bundeliga. Junior hasn't played enough for me to say if he's been good yet. Promising few games, but too early to be labeled a success. As for being both good and shit, every player in the championship is that, even at Leicester. If you don't remember Pugh or Tongue or Kopteff having bad games...well I do. Plenty of them. Yes it seems odd to choose Burger and Bae as examples of Jared's failures. They are two young players who are showing enough already in an alien league to suggest they have Premier quality. Burger isn't yet Whelan but is better already than the other two. Bae is the best 20 year old we've had at the club since Shawcross. Jared came into a difficult period having to find 18 players as soon as he joined. In normal circumstances finding two gems like these two would be lauded.
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Post by pushon on Feb 14, 2024 9:51:22 GMT
3 assists. Pretty good for a young lad in his first season half way around the world from home. Also he took more steps up from the South Korean league than we've taken in stairs our whole lives. He's been impressive, even if he hasn't scored yet. I think you have your rose-tinted glasses on. Tongue had a good career, but not for us. I don't care what he did at Soton or whereever he was when he was good. He was bang average for us. Pugh was alright, and would probably get in our team on his day, but that's not really a high bar is it? Bang average championship player. Kopteff was shite, he was ok+ in the Norwegian league for one season. That was it. You speak about potential, but I've not taken that into account. Burger has made an almost immediate impact, we've finally found a midfielder who can pass forward with accuracy! Just for that he's a god damn hero! When you add up how he's all over the pitch every single game, he's been great. One of the few positive points this season. Bae has incredible close control, and combined with a top work ethic, he's also been great. When his goal output increases he'll disappear into the PL or the Bundeliga. Junior hasn't played enough for me to say if he's been good yet. Promising few games, but too early to be labeled a success. As for being both good and shit, every player in the championship is that, even at Leicester. If you don't remember Pugh or Tongue or Kopteff having bad games...well I do. Plenty of them. Yes it seems odd to choose Burger and Bae as examples of Jared's failures. They are two young players who are showing enough already in an alien league to suggest they have Premier quality. Burger isn't yet Whelan but is better already than the other two. Bae is the best 20 year old we've had at the club since Shawcross. Jared came into a difficult period having to find 18 players as soon as he joined. In normal circumstances finding two gems like these two would be lauded. There's a lot to be said for that necessity. There were a lot of spaces to fill in a very short time.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 14, 2024 9:53:51 GMT
I've just had a look through Dublin's LinkedIn profile and whilst his education reads as pretty impressive on the top line to be fair, but I was more interested to learn more about his Level 1 in Player Identification qualification that he lists amongst his attributes. PFSA LEVEL 1 TALENT IDENTIFICATION IN FOOTBALL - CREATED BY EXPERIENCED PREMIER LEAGUE TALENT IDENTIFICATION SPECIALISTS It costs fifty quid, takes roughly 4-6 hours to complete, is undertaken online and is, cough, "a great stepping stone into a career in football." It is the first of twelve qualification available through the PFSA. Just eleven more to go, Jared. I'm not sure how much training in player identification you really need to build up a database on players around the world. It's more about your ICT and computer skills. Part of Dublin's job is not to go and watch players and identify prospects. He uses sites which compile the data and statistics from matches to make a data base of the skill sets of players so if the manager says that he wants a left winger who has a good defensive record and gets to the line to put in crosses but is also good at coming inside and getting shots away with good one touch ability Jared can identify prospects. It's then up to the manager or others to watch the players suggested and identify who they like.
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 14, 2024 9:57:35 GMT
I've just had a look through Dublin's LinkedIn profile and whilst his education reads as pretty impressive on the top line to be fair, but I was more interested to learn more about his Level 1 in Player Identification qualification that he lists amongst his attributes. PFSA LEVEL 1 TALENT IDENTIFICATION IN FOOTBALL - CREATED BY EXPERIENCED PREMIER LEAGUE TALENT IDENTIFICATION SPECIALISTS It costs fifty quid, takes roughly 4-6 hours to complete, is undertaken online and is, cough, "a great stepping stone into a career in football." It is the first of twelve qualification available through the PFSA. Just eleven more to go, Jared. I'm not sure how much training in player identification you really need to build up a database on players around the world. It's more about your ICT and computer skills. Part of Dublin's job is not to go and watch players and identify prospects. He uses sites which compile the data and statistics from matches to make a data base of the skill sets of players so if the manager says that he wants a left winger who has a good defensive record and gets to the line to put in crosses but is also good at coming inside and getting shots away with good one touch ability Jared can identify prospects. It's then up to the manager or others to watch the players suggested and identify who they like. That's all well and good but it's then fair to say the players he's identified have largely been utter crap. He's our Head of Recruitment, not a minor role. He's not solely to blame, but he's part of the process which has acquired 22 players, with only 3 or 4 most of us want to keep.
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Post by skip on Feb 14, 2024 10:09:19 GMT
I've just had a look through Dublin's LinkedIn profile and whilst his education reads as pretty impressive on the top line to be fair, but I was more interested to learn more about his Level 1 in Player Identification qualification that he lists amongst his attributes. PFSA LEVEL 1 TALENT IDENTIFICATION IN FOOTBALL - CREATED BY EXPERIENCED PREMIER LEAGUE TALENT IDENTIFICATION SPECIALISTS It costs fifty quid, takes roughly 4-6 hours to complete, is undertaken online and is, cough, "a great stepping stone into a career in football." It is the first of twelve qualification available through the PFSA. Just eleven more to go, Jared. I'm not sure how much training in player identification you really need to build up a database on players around the world. It's more about your ICT and computer skills. Part of Dublin's job is not to go and watch players and identify prospects. He uses sites which compile the data and statistics from matches to make a data base of the skill sets of players so if the manager says that he wants a left winger who has a good defensive record and gets to the line to put in crosses but is also good at coming inside and getting shots away with good one touch ability Jared can identify prospects. It's then up to the manager or others to watch the players suggested and identify who they like. I'm not suggesting he is fully to blame, but that qualification isn't something you'd stick on your CV, it's entry level stuff, literally. What is does reveal is a naivety at play. Our recruitment process is far from great; scouting network, interview process, and I think equally as acutely, what Stoke City say to the players in terms of selling The Project to get them to sign. I get the distinct impression from the summer signings that we're playing the Sleeping Giant card, and offer Stoke as a window into the English game, dangling The Premier League via promotion as a means to get players who want to play there to sign for us. I suspect that we are guilty of selling the sizzle not the steak and it's clearly, painfully, not working out. Whether that is naivety, denial or disingenuous on the part of those conducting negotiations and interviews, the net result is the same - way too few of the players cut out for the reality of Championship football. Just to name but one of the players, Vidigal, but without wishing to demonise him, from that first sunny day against Rotherham when he looked like a breath air, to feigning injury in a relegation dogfight in February. He couldn't look more lost or out of his depth.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 14, 2024 10:12:39 GMT
I'm not sure how much training in player identification you really need to build up a database on players around the world. It's more about your ICT and computer skills. Part of Dublin's job is not to go and watch players and identify prospects. He uses sites which compile the data and statistics from matches to make a data base of the skill sets of players so if the manager says that he wants a left winger who has a good defensive record and gets to the line to put in crosses but is also good at coming inside and getting shots away with good one touch ability Jared can identify prospects. It's then up to the manager or others to watch the players suggested and identify who they like. That's all well and good but it's then fair to say the players he's identified have largely been utter crap. He's our Head of Recruitment, not a minor role. He's not solely to blame, but he's part of the process which has acquired 22 players, with only 3 or 4 most of us want to keep. If you think he had time after he joined us to talk to the manager about what he wanted, identify candidates for 18 squad places,, draw up a short list from his stats then go and watch all 54 players playing during the close season then tell the manager who we should get then I wouldn't like to work for you. He unearthed two gems who were total unknowns
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 14, 2024 10:32:25 GMT
The problem is for the vast majority of players recruited this is the pinnacle of their career, possibly the best wages and they're not going higher than this. Add in upper league One/lower championship plodders, Laurent, Bonham, DJ, Pearson, Rose, Baker, etc and it's no surprise we're where we are!
What a mess!
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 14, 2024 10:49:56 GMT
That's all well and good but it's then fair to say the players he's identified have largely been utter crap. He's our Head of Recruitment, not a minor role. He's not solely to blame, but he's part of the process which has acquired 22 players, with only 3 or 4 most of us want to keep. If you think he had time after he joined us to identify candidates for 18 squad places,, draw up a short list from his stats then go and watch all 54 players playing during the close season then tell us who we should get then I wouldn't like to work for you. He unearthed two gems who were total unknowns But we did know summer 2023 was going to be the big one, didn't we? Why was the head of recruitment parachuted in at the end of June if that was subsequently going to be argued to be part of the issue. It was announced in March that Andy Cousins was leaving, and he seemed to have his wings clipped after MON's departure anyway. Tricky will have had the "helicopter view" of the process, as he called it - and there must have been loads of remnants of the previous regime's work in identifying players that fitted the bill for Neil in the system - but it does seem like shoddy preparation for the biggest window we've probably ever had. That said, even with any mitigation, Jared's hit rate looks decidedly poor with everything beyond Burger and Bae. You've got to filter out the Neil domestic signings which probably came from a separate process - DJ, Pearson, Rose (who he tried to sign in Jan for 750k), McNally (who he tried to sign previously), the goalkeepers, Stevens, Hoever, Clark, and Gooch And Tchamadeu seems to have been one that he didn't really have his fingerprints on either as we were chasing him before he arrived. Don't know who would have led the opportunistic Haksabanovic one - or Wesley. They both could have been ones that came from the Neil-led side of the ledger So you can only really say definitively that Bae, Burger, Jojic, Leris, Vidigal, Mmaee (and Manhoef) look to be the ones that had their roots into the system through Jared's software. The perfect storm seems to be that both streams - Neil-led and recruitment team-led have similar hit rates
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 14, 2024 11:05:28 GMT
That's all well and good but it's then fair to say the players he's identified have largely been utter crap. He's our Head of Recruitment, not a minor role. He's not solely to blame, but he's part of the process which has acquired 22 players, with only 3 or 4 most of us want to keep. If you think he had time after he joined us to talk to the manager about what he wanted, identify candidates for 18 squad places,, draw up a short list from his stats then go and watch all 54 players playing during the close season then tell the manager who we should get then I wouldn't like to work for you. He unearthed two gems who were total unknowns You're basically saying his role is giving a list of players to the manager or Martin, then he can put his feet up, though. He's got to take some blame in this, surely? The big money signings, Mmaee, Burger, Manhoef, you'd assume are led from him. There's £6m+ worth of players there. They're our A Listers, the ones you'd expect to make a real difference. Burger has been decent but for the fee, I've still largely been disappointed. Combine that with the woeful Neil led recruits, and it has been a disaster. Absolving anyone to do with the recruitment side of blame is wrong. It has been woeful and the main reason why we're starring L1 in the face.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 14, 2024 18:21:26 GMT
If you think he had time after he joined us to identify candidates for 18 squad places,, draw up a short list from his stats then go and watch all 54 players playing during the close season then tell us who we should get then I wouldn't like to work for you. He unearthed two gems who were total unknowns But we did know summer 2023 was going to be the big one, didn't we? Why was the head of recruitment parachuted in at the end of June if that was subsequently going to be argued to be part of the issue. It was announced in March that Andy Cousins was leaving, and he seemed to have his wings clipped after MON's departure anyway. Tricky will have had the "helicopter view" of the process, as he called it - and there must have been loads of remnants of the previous regime's work in identifying players that fitted the bill for Neil in the system - but it does seem like shoddy preparation for the biggest window we've probably ever had. That said, even with any mitigation, Jared's hit rate looks decidedly poor with everything beyond Burger and Bae. You've got to filter out the Neil domestic signings which probably came from a separate process - DJ, Pearson, Rose (who he tried to sign in Jan for 750k), McNally (who he tried to sign previously), the goalkeepers, Stevens, Hoever, Clark, and Gooch And Tchamadeu seems to have been one that he didn't really have his fingerprints on either as we were chasing him before he arrived. Don't know who would have led the opportunistic Haksabanovic one - or Wesley. They both could have been ones that came from the Neil-led side of the ledger So you can only really say definitively that Bae, Burger, Jojic, Leris, Vidigal, Mmaee (and Manhoef) look to be the ones that had their roots into the system through Jared's software. The perfect storm seems to be that both streams - Neil-led and recruitment team-led have similar hit rates We are talking about how much blame should be attached to Dublin. It wasn't his fault that the club left it till June to recruit him.
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Post by mano00001 on Feb 22, 2024 12:12:44 GMT
Supposedly he is gone too!!
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 22, 2024 12:15:58 GMT
Supposedly he is gone too!! Hopefully
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 22, 2024 12:24:57 GMT
Supposedly he is gone too!! 🤞🏻…it would make sense
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 22, 2024 12:25:30 GMT
If you think he had time after he joined us to identify candidates for 18 squad places,, draw up a short list from his stats then go and watch all 54 players playing during the close season then tell us who we should get then I wouldn't like to work for you. He unearthed two gems who were total unknowns But we did know summer 2023 was going to be the big one, didn't we? Why was the head of recruitment parachuted in at the end of June if that was subsequently going to be argued to be part of the issue. It was announced in March that Andy Cousins was leaving, and he seemed to have his wings clipped after MON's departure anyway. Tricky will have had the "helicopter view" of the process, as he called it - and there must have been loads of remnants of the previous regime's work in identifying players that fitted the bill for Neil in the system - but it does seem like shoddy preparation for the biggest window we've probably ever had. That said, even with any mitigation, Jared's hit rate looks decidedly poor with everything beyond Burger and Bae. You've got to filter out the Neil domestic signings which probably came from a separate process - DJ, Pearson, Rose (who he tried to sign in Jan for 750k), McNally (who he tried to sign previously), the goalkeepers, Stevens, Hoever, Clark, and Gooch And Tchamadeu seems to have been one that he didn't really have his fingerprints on either as we were chasing him before he arrived. Don't know who would have led the opportunistic Haksabanovic one - or Wesley. They both could have been ones that came from the Neil-led side of the ledger So you can only really say definitively that Bae, Burger, Jojic, Leris, Vidigal, Mmaee (and Manhoef) look to be the ones that had their roots into the system through Jared's software. The perfect storm seems to be that both streams - Neil-led and recruitment team-led have similar hit rates Bae and Burger will provide a return of investment and more though to cover all his signings. He could argue he's done a good job.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 22, 2024 12:26:37 GMT
He must've had the worse FM save.
Handing this charlatan the keys to our summer transfer window has potentially sent us into league 1.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 22, 2024 12:30:04 GMT
He signed Burger, Bae and Junior.
If only he signed more like them….
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Post by knype on Feb 22, 2024 12:39:01 GMT
Supposedly he is gone too!! Not seen that anywhere?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 22, 2024 12:48:44 GMT
He signed Burger, Bae and Junior. If only he signed more like them…. Not sure where I stand on him. Three players who if managed correctly, should at least secure our club financial in the short term. His overall hit rate can't be good, but you also have to factor in the fact that years of failure meant we were left with nothing to start pre-season with and had to sign a huge amount of players quickly whilst adhering to FFP.
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Post by stokesupporter on Feb 22, 2024 12:51:23 GMT
I'm not blaming Jared, he has found some gems and his task was not an easy one. I'd keep him at least for now.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 22, 2024 12:58:04 GMT
Jared has a good eye for talent but needs someone above him to make the right choices from his list of potential signings. He was given an impossible task with barely any time which was forced on him. He deserves another chance for me.
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