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Post by datguy on Feb 22, 2024 13:10:25 GMT
The stat going round that 19 of the 24 signings didn’t make the squad on Saturday is absurdly unfair on Dublin imho.
They aren’t all shit.
And you can certainly see what was seen in players like Mmaee, Vidigal, Haks, and all the other bombed lot.
If he’s gone then I can see why. But I do think in some ways he did his job. It’s always going to be a risky strategy. And fair play to him, last summer was certainly exciting.
And there’s no escaping it: Burger, Junho and Junior will themselves earn this club its money back, and more, so it’s hardly like Rowett‘s summer clusterfuck.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 22, 2024 14:02:37 GMT
I really hope we don’t do another scorched earth policy. In an ideal world we are bringing in 4-5 seasoned pros known for their workrate, determination and character. Too much turnover is proving to be our undoing.
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 22, 2024 14:31:12 GMT
The stat going round that 19 of the 24 signings didn’t make the squad on Saturday is absurdly unfair on Dublin imho. They aren’t all shit. And you can certainly see what was seen in players like Mmaee, Vidigal, Haks, and all the other bombed lot. If he’s gone then I can see why. But I do think in some ways he did his job. It’s always going to be a risky strategy. And fair play to him, last summer was certainly exciting. And there’s no escaping it: Burger, Junho and Junior will themselves earn this club its money back, and more, so it’s hardly like Rowett‘s summer clusterfuck. If we go down, the three you mention will go cheaply. So no. As head of recruitment I'd be ashamed at our transfer business.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Feb 22, 2024 14:38:07 GMT
Not sure how much he would have had to do with Pearson, Johnson, Hoever and Rose signings they were surely Neil's wants. Cundle was surely Schumacher's doing.
I dont think the entire summer recruitment could be levelled at him.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 22, 2024 14:38:08 GMT
Is Dublin as culpable? A lot of the players signed Hoever, Cundle, Pearson, Johnson, Stevens, Rose, McNally, Wes, Ennis, maybe others are nothing to do with him?
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Post by skydog on Feb 22, 2024 14:38:25 GMT
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 22, 2024 14:39:24 GMT
Was he before do you know?
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Feb 22, 2024 14:41:15 GMT
I really hope we don’t do another scorched earth policy. In an ideal world we are bringing in 4-5 seasoned pros known for their workrate, determination and character. Too much turnover is proving to be our undoing. That's key - the thing is with seasoned pros, some can be too seasoned and just looking at coasting to retirement. That's where the spreadsheet on the laptop needs putting down and some proper old-school character assessment doing on whoever's being looked at. Ideally we need to be looking at players in the 26-29 year old bracket.
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Post by march4 on Feb 22, 2024 14:47:26 GMT
The stat going round that 19 of the 24 signings didn’t make the squad on Saturday is absurdly unfair on Dublin imho. They aren’t all shit. And you can certainly see what was seen in players like Mmaee, Vidigal, Haks, and all the other bombed lot. If he’s gone then I can see why. But I do think in some ways he did his job. It’s always going to be a risky strategy. And fair play to him, last summer was certainly exciting. And there’s no escaping it: Burger, Junho and Junior will themselves earn this club its money back, and more, so it’s hardly like Rowett‘s summer clusterfuck. Junior was surely an AN signing.
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Post by emretezzy on Feb 22, 2024 14:49:06 GMT
Is Dublin as culpable? A lot of the players signed Hoever, Cundle, Pearson, Johnson, Stevens, Rose, McNally, Wes, Ennis, maybe others are nothing to do with him? Yeah id agree in a sense. The Maee fiasco is going to be a heavy cloud hanging over him. Only stoke could wait, in some cases, up to five years to remove badd eggs. To replace them with.... bad eggs
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 22, 2024 14:50:58 GMT
I really hope we don’t do another scorched earth policy. In an ideal world we are bringing in 4-5 seasoned pros known for their workrate, determination and character. Too much turnover is proving to be our undoing. That's key - the thing is with seasoned pros, some can be too seasoned and just looking at coasting to retirement. That's where the spreadsheet on the laptop needs putting down and some proper old-school character assessment doing on whoever's being looked at. Ideally we need to be looking at players in the 26-29 year old bracket. Absolutely! When MON was in charge, he said on a number of occasions that we had lots of younger players and a few older, but very few in their peak. We sacked him and ignored that message when recruiting an entirely new squad. I hope that we course correct this summer. Ignore the loans and focus on long-term stability. Bring in loans at the end to plug gaps.
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Post by gawa on Feb 22, 2024 15:58:45 GMT
The stat going round that 19 of the 24 signings didn’t make the squad on Saturday is absurdly unfair on Dublin imho. They aren’t all shit. And you can certainly see what was seen in players like Mmaee, Vidigal, Haks, and all the other bombed lot. If he’s gone then I can see why. But I do think in some ways he did his job. It’s always going to be a risky strategy. And fair play to him, last summer was certainly exciting. And there’s no escaping it: Burger, Junho and Junior will themselves earn this club its money back, and more, so it’s hardly like Rowett‘s summer clusterfuck. That really depends on the contracts and the lengths of contracts. Earning money back should take into account the full expense of contracts for players like Ben Pearson who were given 4 years and others. It can't just be based on the fees paid in the summer.
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Post by scfc5 on Feb 22, 2024 16:02:45 GMT
The stat going round that 19 of the 24 signings didn’t make the squad on Saturday is absurdly unfair on Dublin imho. They aren’t all shit. And you can certainly see what was seen in players like Mmaee, Vidigal, Haks, and all the other bombed lot. If he’s gone then I can see why. But I do think in some ways he did his job. It’s always going to be a risky strategy. And fair play to him, last summer was certainly exciting. And there’s no escaping it: Burger, Junho and Junior will themselves earn this club its money back, and more, so it’s hardly like Rowett‘s summer clusterfuck. That really depends on the contracts and the lengths of contracts. Earning money back should take into account the full expense of contracts for players like Ben Pearson who were given 4 years and others. It can't just be based on the fees paid in the summer. To be fair to Dublin though, he's in charge of recruitment, not the length of contract which we decide to give the player. That was RM, I presume.
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Post by thepottypotter on Feb 22, 2024 16:19:46 GMT
I would be brickin’ it if I was Slick, now that half of the double act is gone.
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Post by barton on Feb 22, 2024 16:26:22 GMT
Was he before do you know? He wasn't listed previously in the "Directory".
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 22, 2024 16:36:46 GMT
I think his role is probably overstated.
I may be wrong, but from what I can make out his job is to scout the foreign market and maybe sell the club to some of those players. He doesn't buy them or decide who to sign. Pearson, Hoever, Johnson, Cundle, Gooch, Rose, Ennis and Iversen are all fairly obviously manager-led signings. Junior, Travers, McNally, Stevens, Chiquinho and Haksabanovic also potentially fit into that category.
That leaves the following players that he's identified:
Burger - looks an excellent signing
Manhoef - too soon to say
Leris - squad filler. Echoes of when we sold our best player(Arnautovic/Brown) and replaced them with a decent player (Choupo/Leris) who couldn't fill their predecessor's shoes.
Mmaee - disaster
Bae - good with room to improve
Jojic - struggles to get into the U21s
Vidigal - squad player
Wesley - not good
Depending on how you judge it, you could argue anything from a 25% to 50% success rate. Who knows what the hit rate is for a normal scout?
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 22, 2024 16:43:05 GMT
I think his role is probably overstated. I may be wrong, but from what I can make out his job is to scout the foreign market and maybe sell the club to some of those players. He doesn't buy them or decide who to sign. Pearson, Hoever, Johnson, Cundle, Gooch, Rose, Ennis and Iversen are all fairly obviously manager-led signings. Junior, Travers, McNally, Stevens, Chiquinho and Haksabanovic also potentially fit into that category. That leaves the following players that he's identified: Burger - looks an excellent signing Manhoef - too soon to say Leris - squad filler. Echoes of when we sold our best player(Arnautovic/Brown) and replaced them with a decent player (Choupo/Leris) who couldn't fill their predecessor's shoes. Mmaee - disaster Bae - good with room to improve Jojic - struggles to get into the U21s Vidigal - squad player Wesley - not good Depending on how you judge it, you could argue anything from a 25% to 50% success rate. Who knows what the hit rate is for a normal scout? With Wesley coming from Villa, I wouldn't think he was one Dublin identified. At the time it came out of the blue and was described as a deal we felt we couldn't turn down so think it was possibly more the work of agent(s) than our scouting.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 22, 2024 16:58:26 GMT
I think his role is probably overstated. I may be wrong, but from what I can make out his job is to scout the foreign market and maybe sell the club to some of those players. He doesn't buy them or decide who to sign. Pearson, Hoever, Johnson, Cundle, Gooch, Rose, Ennis and Iversen are all fairly obviously manager-led signings. Junior, Travers, McNally, Stevens, Chiquinho and Haksabanovic also potentially fit into that category. That leaves the following players that he's identified: Burger - looks an excellent signing Manhoef - too soon to say Leris - squad filler. Echoes of when we sold our best player(Arnautovic/Brown) and replaced them with a decent player (Choupo/Leris) who couldn't fill their predecessor's shoes. Mmaee - disaster Bae - good with room to improve Jojic - struggles to get into the U21s Vidigal - squad player Wesley - not good Depending on how you judge it, you could argue anything from a 25% to 50% success rate. Who knows what the hit rate is for a normal scout? Jojic has played a lot for the U-21s, he's featured in 10 of the 13 PL 2 fixtures they've played and clocked in nearly 700 minutes.
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Post by Jimm on Feb 22, 2024 17:01:07 GMT
I doubt Dublin had any involvement in, Iverson, Hoever, Rose, Mcnally, Pearson, Johnson, Cundle, Wesley, Stevens and Gooch, and they have all been wank too.
Players who haven;t played in England before need time to adapt, I don't think Dublin is all bad. Burger and Bae, especially Burger, look major coup's for us.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Feb 22, 2024 17:07:12 GMT
I think his role is probably overstated. I may be wrong, but from what I can make out his job is to scout the foreign market and maybe sell the club to some of those players. He doesn't buy them or decide who to sign. Pearson, Hoever, Johnson, Cundle, Gooch, Rose, Ennis and Iversen are all fairly obviously manager-led signings. Junior, Travers, McNally, Stevens, Chiquinho and Haksabanovic also potentially fit into that category. That leaves the following players that he's identified: Burger - looks an excellent signing Manhoef - too soon to say Leris - squad filler. Echoes of when we sold our best player(Arnautovic/Brown) and replaced them with a decent player (Choupo/Leris) who couldn't fill their predecessor's shoes. Mmaee - disaster Bae - good with room to improve Jojic - struggles to get into the U21s Vidigal - squad player Wesley - not good Depending on how you judge it, you could argue anything from a 25% to 50% success rate. Who knows what the hit rate is for a normal scout? That assessment of Wesley suggests your spell checker isn’t working, I assume you typed in “absolute shit waste of space how can you be a pro footballer” and what came out was “not good”.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 22, 2024 17:09:37 GMT
I would reckon we've probably spent less on the players Dublin has brought in combined, than we did on Afobe and Ince.
Not that it's all been rosy in the garden, but he's sourced a few really great players we genuinely would have not got anywhere near without him. I agree with others, I think his role is somewhat overstated. Seems much more a point of reference who provides names and options than the guy driving the decisions.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Feb 22, 2024 17:25:01 GMT
That's key - the thing is with seasoned pros, some can be too seasoned and just looking at coasting to retirement. That's where the spreadsheet on the laptop needs putting down and some proper old-school character assessment doing on whoever's being looked at. Ideally we need to be looking at players in the 26-29 year old bracket. Absolutely! When MON was in charge, he said on a number of occasions that we had lots of younger players and a few older, but very few in their peak. We sacked him and ignored that message when recruiting an entirely new squad. I hope that we course correct this summer. Ignore the loans and focus on long-term stability. Bring in loans at the end to plug gaps. It's about balance - Schuie's Plymouth side were (and may still be) the youngest average age in the Championship at just 23. That may be a bit too young to keep up a sustained campaign - and MON's idea is probably right - you need young energetic players combined with peak age/experience + a couple of older heads who've been there and done it (Jagielka being a great example). Probably the best way of targeting those peak age players is to look at those that have played in a team that's just missed out on promotion - or been in a promotion wining team and haven't been given a chance in the Prem - they still have a point to prove hopefully.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 22, 2024 17:28:08 GMT
I’m not saying anybody is wrong, as I’m not completely sure, but where has it said that our Chief Scout only has a hand in transfers of players from abroad?
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Post by LphPotter on Feb 22, 2024 17:37:05 GMT
I think his role is probably overstated. I may be wrong, but from what I can make out his job is to scout the foreign market and maybe sell the club to some of those players. He doesn't buy them or decide who to sign. Pearson, Hoever, Johnson, Cundle, Gooch, Rose, Ennis and Iversen are all fairly obviously manager-led signings. Junior, Travers, McNally, Stevens, Chiquinho and Haksabanovic also potentially fit into that category. That leaves the following players that he's identified: Burger - looks an excellent signing Manhoef - too soon to say Leris - squad filler. Echoes of when we sold our best player(Arnautovic/Brown) and replaced them with a decent player (Choupo/Leris) who couldn't fill their predecessor's shoes. Mmaee - disaster Bae - good with room to improve Jojic - struggles to get into the U21s Vidigal - squad player Wesley - not good Depending on how you judge it, you could argue anything from a 25% to 50% success rate. Who knows what the hit rate is for a normal scout? Jojic has played a lot for the U-21s, he's featured in 10 of the 13 PL 2 fixtures they've played and clocked in nearly 700 minutes. He was on the bench for one game and people seemed to then believe he can’t get in the team or hasn’t been playing.
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 22, 2024 17:54:27 GMT
Jared has a good eye for talent but needs someone above him to make the right choices from his list of potential signings. He was given an impossible task with barely any time which was forced on him. He deserves another chance for me. Back at Sheffield United where he helped oversee so much success with recruitment, Dublin wasn't the Head of Recruitment. I think he was more of a Chief Scout that focused on the player stats, drew up a shortlist and presented them to the Head of Recruitment (a chap called Paul Mitchell). I expect it was the HoR that delved into the character aspects and suitability for the squad before bidding for the players. The mistake we made is giving Jared too much responsibility. He isn't cut out to be an HoR as he doesn't have the ability to analyse character or personality traits. That's where you need a HoR with a footballing/coaching background. However, I think Jared's ability to shortlist these potential gems is quite invaluable. We need to keep him on, but downgrade him to Chief Scout and bring in a proper HoR.
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Post by datguy on Feb 22, 2024 17:58:32 GMT
The stat going round that 19 of the 24 signings didn’t make the squad on Saturday is absurdly unfair on Dublin imho. They aren’t all shit. And you can certainly see what was seen in players like Mmaee, Vidigal, Haks, and all the other bombed lot. If he’s gone then I can see why. But I do think in some ways he did his job. It’s always going to be a risky strategy. And fair play to him, last summer was certainly exciting. And there’s no escaping it: Burger, Junho and Junior will themselves earn this club its money back, and more, so it’s hardly like Rowett‘s summer clusterfuck. Junior was surely an AN signing. If we take that logic though, the majority of signings weren’t Dublin. Hoever, Stevens, Rose, Travers, Pearson, Johnson, Wes and I’m sure I’m missing a further 2 or 3 were Alex Neil signings. I just think there was a clear logic - and potential - to the players coming in from abroad, as much as folk like to say otherwise.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 22, 2024 18:00:17 GMT
I don’t think Tussauds Jared is in the firing line yet, although I suspect we’ve just reloaded the shotgun after pumping two cartridges into Tricky Ricky.
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Post by wonderwall on Feb 22, 2024 18:01:47 GMT
I’m sure Jared just identifies. Obviously he doesn’t sign the cheques.
That is down to the manager, tricky and JC.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 22, 2024 18:10:47 GMT
Jared has a good eye for talent but needs someone above him to make the right choices from his list of potential signings. He was given an impossible task with barely any time which was forced on him. He deserves another chance for me. Back at Sheffield United where he helped oversee so much success with recruitment, Dublin wasn't the Head of Recruitment. I think he was more of a Chief Scout that focused on the player stats, drew up a shortlist and presented them to the Head of Recruitment (a chap called Paul Mitchell). I expect it was the HoR that delved into the character aspects and suitability for the squad before bidding for the players. The mistake we made is giving Jared too much responsibility. He isn't cut out to be an HoR as he doesn't have the ability to analyse character or personality traits. That's where you need a HoR with a footballing/coaching background. However, I think Jared's ability to shortlist these potential gems is quite invaluable. We need to keep him on, but downgrade him to Chief Scout and bring in a proper HoR. We don't really know what's been asked of him. He had to sign a load of players with hardly any time. He might come good yet with a bit more time to get things right. We should make a profit from the players he brought in which under the circumstances might be a small win.
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 22, 2024 18:16:21 GMT
I don’t think Tussauds Jared is in the firing line yet, although I suspect we’ve just reloaded the shotgun after pumping two cartridges into Tricky Ricky. One cartridge should surely have been enough 🤣
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