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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 3, 2024 21:53:46 GMT
I work in schools and there’s a definate a swing in power with kids definately calling the shots and feeling they hold the power. It’s very much the minority however they can have a huge impact on others and in particular those on the periphery of trouble who could go either way. It certainly took a dip after covid and there was a definate change both in anxiety for some and anger in others this was in my opinion mainly down to the lack of interaction over a whole year. Parenting of course is a huge factor with sadly some parents trying to justify their children’s bad behaviour rather than challenging it. I don't have children or grandchildren of school age nor do I know any Teachers personally but this seems a rational explanation to me and an endorsement of why Teachers are leaving the profession and the gap is being filled by immigrating Teachers It’s one of the biggest problems a new government will face. The retention of public services which are the backbone of the U.K. particularly in London and the South East where the cost of living is so high. Whether it’s Nursing Policing Teaching Carers Social Workers People don’t want to do them anymore. The positive feeling of doing your best to help in the community is overriden by the need to want to work from home and have an easier but higher paid job. I’m not sure striking every year is the answer as it’s not a good look but in the South East / London there has to be a higher allowance for where they work or there won’t be anyone left doing what are key roles to keep the country running. What used to be jobs that people strives for really have lost their gloss so much so that no one wants to do them anymore.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 3, 2024 22:02:09 GMT
I don't have children or grandchildren of school age nor do I know any Teachers personally but this seems a rational explanation to me and an endorsement of why Teachers are leaving the profession and the gap is being filled by immigrating Teachers It’s one of the biggest problems a new government will face. The retention of public services which are the backbone of the U.K. particularly in London and the South East where the cost of living is so high. Whether it’s Nursing Policing Teaching Carers Social Workers People don’t want to do them anymore. The positive feeling of doing your best to help in the community is overriden by the need to want to work from home and have an easier but higher paid job. I’m not sure striking every year is the answer as it’s not a good look but in the South East / London there has to be a higher allowance for where they work or there won’t be anyone left doing what are key roles to keep the country running. What used to be jobs that people strives for really have lost their gloss so much so that no one wants to do them anymore. People are leaving jobs in the private sector because their new role involves working from home or hybrid working it's certainly not a public sector problem per se. They're striving for a better work life balance and who can blame them, you only get one chance at seeing your kids grow up or spending time with your other half, it's a no brainer........
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 3, 2024 22:23:15 GMT
It’s one of the biggest problems a new government will face. The retention of public services which are the backbone of the U.K. particularly in London and the South East where the cost of living is so high. Whether it’s Nursing Policing Teaching Carers Social Workers People don’t want to do them anymore. The positive feeling of doing your best to help in the community is overriden by the need to want to work from home and have an easier but higher paid job. I’m not sure striking every year is the answer as it’s not a good look but in the South East / London there has to be a higher allowance for where they work or there won’t be anyone left doing what are key roles to keep the country running. What used to be jobs that people strives for really have lost their gloss so much so that no one wants to do them anymore. People are leaving jobs in the private sector because their new role involves working from home or hybrid working it's certainly not a public sector problem per se. They're striving for a better work life balance and who can blame them, you only get one chance at seeing your kids grow up or spending time with your other half, it's a no brainer........ Which in my opinion is why those who are willing to make the sacrifice of that lost family time and commit to jobs which require then to work away from home and give more to the community they live in deserve a higher wage. If they don’t and they all have the attitude of wanting to work from home and spend time with their family rather than getting out there to support there fellow man/woman then the country will grind to a halt. Hard to fill skilled posts should always be right up there in relation to wages. It’s nice to have a strong family value but there has to be a need to make sacrifices too or else the things we take for granted won’t get done.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 3, 2024 22:53:14 GMT
I don't have children or grandchildren of school age nor do I know any Teachers personally but this seems a rational explanation to me and an endorsement of why Teachers are leaving the profession and the gap is being filled by immigrating Teachers It’s one of the biggest problems a new government will face. The retention of public services which are the backbone of the U.K. particularly in London and the South East where the cost of living is so high. Whether it’s Nursing Policing Teaching Carers Social Workers People don’t want to do them anymore. The positive feeling of doing your best to help in the community is overriden by the need to want to work from home and have an easier but higher paid job. I’m not sure striking every year is the answer as it’s not a good look but in the South East / London there has to be a higher allowance for where they work or there won’t be anyone left doing what are key roles to keep the country running. What used to be jobs that people strives for really have lost their gloss so much so that no one wants to do them anymore. Again I agree with you but the concept of "helping the community" is understandably overridden by self interest Particularly as it's a learned behaviour from those who pretend to engage in "Public Service" higher up the scale who do anything but. All of those Professions you list have been subject to real terms cut in their salaries and by extention the self esteem of those Professions I also agree that the situation is exacerbated in London and the South-East as the salaries offered in those Professions is insufficient to be able to Rent or Buy accommodation within the communities they serve. This is particularly so for the next Generation. The UK is sleepwalking into a fundamental change in how its Demografic is organised. People bemoan the divide between London and the rest of the UK but the current policies are guaranteed to extenuate that. I'll hold my hands up and admit I am part of the problem, I have lived and still do, live in London for most of my life. My employment was fundamentally geared towards enriching those who already had sufficient and as a byproduct myself I can now live comfortably in my hypocrisy and chide from the sidelines. My excuse, human nature and dumb luck and perhaps some talent in a field that adds nothing productive or existentially My gloom is tempered by the fact I will not witness the full horrors and that I can insulate my Daughters financially I see no prospect in todays generation of "Leadership" that has the capacity and vision to alter the inevitable course They are petty and self-serving.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 3, 2024 23:10:11 GMT
There are regular recruitment adverts on national TV for teachers.
Why?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 4, 2024 9:42:55 GMT
People are leaving jobs in the private sector because their new role involves working from home or hybrid working it's certainly not a public sector problem per se. They're striving for a better work life balance and who can blame them, you only get one chance at seeing your kids grow up or spending time with your other half, it's a no brainer........ Which in my opinion is why those who are willing to make the sacrifice of that lost family time and commit to jobs which require then to work away from home and give more to the community they live in deserve a higher wage. If they don’t and they all have the attitude of wanting to work from home and spend time with their family rather than getting out there to support there fellow man/woman then the country will grind to a halt. Hard to fill skilled posts should always be right up there in relation to wages. It’s nice to have a strong family value but there has to be a need to make sacrifices too or else the things we take for granted won’t get done. Why should anyone make sacrifices to the detriment of their family life if there is an alternative which involves working from home for all or some of your working week?
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Post by phileetin on Apr 4, 2024 10:28:09 GMT
it'll be interesting to see the labour party approach to this public sector rebellion .
In the past it was complete surrender to the unions but with little money in the coffers and taxes already at historically high levels they will have to be very constructive or face the prospect of the winter of discontent scenarios from the 70's ?
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 4, 2024 10:40:07 GMT
it'll be interesting to see the labour party approach to this public sector rebellion . In the past it was complete surrender to the unions but with little money in the coffers and taxes already at historically high levels they will have to be very constructive or face the prospect of the winter of discontent scenarios from the 70's ? Who knows? Maybe without all of the under the table handouts to Tory donors, public money could actually be invested in public services.
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Post by phileetin on Apr 4, 2024 11:15:29 GMT
if angela rayner reports are accurate i suspect it will be more of the same ?
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Post by elystokie on Apr 4, 2024 12:36:56 GMT
if angela rayner reports are accurate i suspect it will be more of the same ? So we carry on letting this lot rinse the public purse in case the next lot do the same? Good luck selling that.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 4, 2024 13:44:04 GMT
Which in my opinion is why those who are willing to make the sacrifice of that lost family time and commit to jobs which require then to work away from home and give more to the community they live in deserve a higher wage. If they don’t and they all have the attitude of wanting to work from home and spend time with their family rather than getting out there to support there fellow man/woman then the country will grind to a halt. Hard to fill skilled posts should always be right up there in relation to wages. It’s nice to have a strong family value but there has to be a need to make sacrifices too or else the things we take for granted won’t get done. Why should anyone make sacrifices to the detriment of their family life if there is an alternative which involves working from home for all or some of your working week? There are some jobs that make the country tick that can’t be done by you sitting in front of a laptop all day in your pyjamas. If everyone had that attitude the country would fall apart as would the Oatcake during the day
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 4, 2024 14:03:50 GMT
Why should anyone make sacrifices to the detriment of their family life if there is an alternative which involves working from home for all or some of your working week? There are some jobs that make the country tick that can’t be done by you sitting in front of a laptop all day in your pyjamas. If everyone had that attitude the country would fall apart as would the Oatcake during the day Then you need to be able to keep or attract people in those roles where home working is not feasible. Why are you seemingly blaming the individual who wants to improve his/her work life balance here, and not those responsible for the above? For the majority of people that work from home (I do maybe once or twice a week) the only difference is that you spend less time in a car and on public transport and more time being productive at work or doing something you enjoy doing before/after work that you wouldn't have otherwise been able to......
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 4, 2024 14:10:25 GMT
Why should anyone make sacrifices to the detriment of their family life if there is an alternative which involves working from home for all or some of your working week? There are some jobs that make the country tick that can’t be done by you sitting in front of a laptop all day in your pyjamas. If everyone had that attitude the country would fall apart as would the Oatcake during the day I'm struggling with the logic that only some people csn hsve that attitude. To me it's all part of the Thatcher legacy and the seemingly inexorable shift to individualism which would say that if you can get away with making a living sat on your arse pushing a few buttons then so be it - you have no responsibility to society. At some point the 'market' kicks in and either wages offered for shitty jobs become high enough to attract pyjama wearers to pick up a shovel or supervise exams or immigrants come in to do it.
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Post by mtrstudent on Apr 4, 2024 16:02:41 GMT
There are some jobs that make the country tick that can’t be done by you sitting in front of a laptop all day in your pyjamas. If everyone had that attitude the country would fall apart as would the Oatcake during the day Then you need to be able to keep or attract people in those roles where home working is not feasible. Why are you seemingly blaming the individual who wants to improve his/her work life balance here, and not those responsible for the above? For the majority of people that work from home (I do maybe once or twice a week) the only difference is that you spend less time in a car and on public transport and more time being productive at work or doing something you enjoy doing before/after work that you wouldn't have otherwise been able to...... Loads of folk still give up pay to do something rewarding, recruiters email me pretty often about private sector jobs with loads better pay. In some areas (southeast but for me it's LA) I don't think slightly older folk realise just how stark the financial choices have got for public servants. It's not about avocado toast, it's about being stuck in the converted mini-office of a shared house until your late 30s.
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