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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2023 22:57:01 GMT
That was the question you responded to earlier ...
They're leaving the teaching profession in their droves because they can support themselves with jobs that have better pay and/or conditions.
What are we going to do about it?
From that leftie news channel GB News, if you've got a min, it might be a worth having a scan through some of the comments ...
What jobs?
What do you mean what jobs ... I haven't individually surveyed all of the fuckers have I?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 16, 2023 22:58:23 GMT
What do you mean what jobs ... I haven't individually surveyed the fuckers have I? Thanks for confirming 👍🏻
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2023 22:59:31 GMT
What do you mean what jobs ... I haven't individually surveyed the fuckers have I? Thanks for confirming 👍🏻
Confirming what?
You still haven't answered the question ... what are we going to do about it?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 16, 2023 23:00:36 GMT
Maybe they need their own teachers to tell them to stop being such utter vaginas about going to work. I know teachers, they moan relentlessly, not about pay but that can’t be arsed to mark work on an evening so decide it’s best to ruin everyone’s Weekend by doing it. Personally I work all day, being doing 13 hour shifts lately whilst being paid for 8 hours a day because I’m salaried, it won’t be forever, just a few weeks. I do it because I want the company to do well and I don’t want the public to be disappointed. These fuckers profess to do the job out of love then walk away at the first sign of a public strike by others. It’s a bandwagon Working an extra 5 hours a day for no pay? I'd recommend joining a Union... Where do I sign? 🤣
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 16, 2023 23:03:11 GMT
Confirming what?
You still haven't answered the question ... what are we going to do about it?
Calm down mate FFS🙄
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Post by adri2008 on Jan 16, 2023 23:05:08 GMT
Why not substantially higher pay in exchange for less holidays? Teachers are effectively child care for alot of the workforce so it'd surely pay for itself with productivety increases in other sectors.
My wife is a teacher so i do see both sides of it.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 16, 2023 23:05:18 GMT
Ahh the old "You should be grateful" line.
Unlike some jobs, the minimum entry for a teacher is usually a degree + PGCE, both of which cost very good money. Once you've gone through all of that toil, you then get to fight for one of the limited number of teaching jobs available in your area, especially as the majority of schools are running on paper-thin budgets and have cut teaching staff to the bone. If you're successful, you'll then be sworn in on about 18-20 grand for an early years teacher, up to about 28 grand for a high school teacher... figures which you could get in a job that requires no degree at all...
And after going through all of that grind and sweat, you then get the luxury of being shouted at, screamed at, mouthed at by bratty primary school kids and their snotty parents or if you're lucky, potentially spat at, punched, kicked, verbally abused by high school students. Don't expect to better yourself or look up in your life because the pay rises are dog shit, or in most cases non-existent... oh and promotions? Yeah don't get your hopes up because the majority of Senior positions have been consolidated by the old guard, many of whom have spent 20+ years in the same extremely well paying roles and continue to ensure their friends + acquaintances occupy such positions (nepotism is a HUGE problem in the world of teaching), so most young, inspired teachers hit a glass ceiling after a few years... and guess who that old guard are protecting? Is it those young inspired teachers who are desperate to succeed? No. It was the teachers who were penalised during the pandemic. I have friends who saw their already really poor wages frozen, while Senior Management both in the school itself and the district itself, many of whom take home in excess of 100k a year saw their pay increase in-line with inflation.
...and just when you thought it couldn't get much worse, the working culture in many schools is beyond toxic (I did 6 months in a school in Stoke where it was particularly bad).
Double the wage, put in measures that actually protect teachers and treats them like humans.... and I still wouldn't consider going into it. Absolutely awful profession to be involved in and I empathise massively with comprehensive school teachers up and down the country.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2023 23:06:09 GMT
Confirming what?
You still haven't answered the question ... what are we going to do about it?
Calm down mate FFS🙄
Blimey I only asked you a question, erm ... FFS!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2023 23:09:11 GMT
Ggggoooooaaaaarrrrrrnnnnnn the teachers ✊
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 16, 2023 23:10:03 GMT
Ahh the old "You should be grateful" line. Unlike some jobs, the minimum entry for a teacher is usually a degree + PGCE, both of which cost very good money. Once you've gone through all of that toil, you then get to fight for one of the limited number of teaching jobs available in your area, especially as the majority of schools are running on paper-thin budgets and have cut teaching staff to the bone. If you're successful, you'll then be sworn in on about 18-20 grand for an early years teacher, up to about 28 grand for a high school teacher... figures which you could get in a job that requires no degree at all... And after going through all of that grind and sweat, you then get the luxury of being shouted at, screamed at, mouthed at by bratty primary school kids and their snotty parents or if you're lucky, potentially spat at, punched, kicked, verbally abused by high school students. Don't expect to better yourself or look up in your life because the pay rises are dog shit, or in most cases non-existent... oh and promotions? Yeah don't get your hopes up because the majority of Senior positions have been consolidated by the old guard, many of whom have spent 20+ years in the same extremely well paying roles and continue to ensure their friends + acquaintances occupy such positions (nepotism is a HUGE problem in the world of teaching), so most young, inspired teachers hit a glass ceiling after a few years... and guess who that old guard are protecting? Is it those young inspired teachers who are desperate to succeed? No. It was the teachers who were penalised during the pandemic. I have friends who saw their already really poor wages frozen, while Senior Management both in the school itself and the district itself, many of whom take home in excess of 100k a year saw their pay increase in-line with inflation. ...and just when you thought it couldn't get much worse, the working culture in many schools is beyond toxic (I did 6 months in a school in Stoke where it was particularly bad). Double the wage, put in measures that actually protect teachers and treats them like humans.... and I still wouldn't consider going into it. Absolutely awful profession to be involved in and I empathise massively with comprehensive school teachers up and down the country. As an ex-teacher myself (14 years), can I say you've just owned this thread. Nailed it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2023 23:11:50 GMT
I wonder how public sector workers would react if all private sector workers started downing tools. Boiler broke - tough shit Car broke down - tough shit Shelves empty - tough shit Amazon driver not turned up - tough shit A general strike would be amazing and is absolutely needed.
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Post by sticky on Jan 16, 2023 23:13:20 GMT
Maybe the whole education system needs a revamp, some basic diy skills would be more useful in life than a lot of the crap on the curriculum, also maths lessons targeting actual life events like interest rates, APR, ni contributions and how tax works..
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 16, 2023 23:13:47 GMT
Teachers striking? Is this seriously happening? 😆😆
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 16, 2023 23:13:52 GMT
Yep, telling teachers to stop being such utter vaginas, is going to do the trick, it's the obvious solution. If you could get a job that paid you better wages and gave you better working conditions, don't you feel you should be allowed to go for it?
Why, what jobs are teachers landing? Excuse my ignorance I know a few who joined the police.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2023 23:35:58 GMT
Why, what jobs are teachers landing? Excuse my ignorance I know a few who joined the police. A mate of mine ditched teaching for working at a pr and comms company.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 16, 2023 23:36:22 GMT
That was the question you responded to earlier ...
They're leaving the teaching profession in their droves because they can support themselves with jobs that have better pay and/or conditions.
What are we going to do about it?
From that leftie news channel GB News, if you've got a min, it might be a worth having a scan through some of the comments ...
What jobs? An easily transferable skill is to become a Private Tutor and increase your income by about 30% with far less stress of teaching a class of 25+ and the attendant administration uk.talent.com/salary?job=private+tutorThere are an estimated 100,000 private tutors in UK or about 20%+ of "Official " Teachers www.thetutorwebsite.co.uk/articles/184,how-many-private-tutors-are-there-in-the-uk.html Of course these Tutors are only available to Families that can afford them It is very similar to the phenomenon of Nurses becoming Agency Workers rather than bf employed by NHS Depending on the Degree Qualification if Teachers have Qualified in STEM Subjects their skills are easily transferable within industry at a much higher salary and better conditions Hence a massive shortage of STEM Teachers The evidence is clear that newly qualified teachers quit the Profession within a relatively short space of years. It has become increasingly difficult to keep the show on the road due to the churn as less and less new entrants enter the Profession and ever more leave. The result is higher class ratios but more disturbingly unqualified in that subject teachers "filling in" for the shortage especially STEM Subjects www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/education/2023/jan/09/third-of-englands-teachers-who-qualified-in-last-decade-have-left-profession
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 16, 2023 23:41:39 GMT
Lol just testing. Same applies though even in that time things have changed re social media and the news networks If you say so Again to answer another of your posts Where your reside a vote for Monica Harding would be far more effective than a Vote for the Labour Candidate to maybe get rid of The Rabbster For what it’s worth she got my vote last time
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Post by metalhead on Jan 16, 2023 23:41:44 GMT
An easily transferable skill is to become a Private Tutor and increase your income by about 30% with far less stress of teaching a class of 25+ and the attendant administration uk.talent.com/salary?job=private+tutorThere are an estimated 100,000 private tutors in UK or about 20%+ of "Official " Teachers Of course these Tutors are only available to Families that can afford them It is very similar to the phenomenon of Nurses becoming Agency Workers rather than bf employed by NHS Depending on the Degree Qualification if Teachers have Qualified in STEM Subjects their skills are easily transferable within industry at a much higher salary and better conditions Hence a massive shortage of STEM Teachers The evidence is clear that newly qualified teachers quit the Profession within a relatively short space of years. It has become increasingly difficult to keep the show on the road due to the churn as less and less new entrants enter the Profession and ever more leave. The result is higher class ratios but more disturbingly unqualified in that subject teachers "filling in" for the shortage especially STEM Subjects www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/education/2023/jan/09/third-of-englands-teachers-who-qualified-in-last-decade-have-left-professionThe shortage of STEM teachers isn't a new problem. Back when I was working at a school in 2008, Mathematics was being taught by someone with a degree in Pottery. I had to demonstrate differential equations about 10 mins before a lesson, as they couldn't get their head around it... To their credit, they put on an excellent front and I doubt any of the kids knew. Additionally, it's not their fault they were the one tasked with teaching a subject in-which they were ill-suited. If you've got a STEM degree, you'll never be short of work. If you're a teacher with a STEM degree, you're probably making a career mistake.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 16, 2023 23:41:47 GMT
My ex teaches. Most of her mates who went into teaching burned out and have quit already, she's probably going to quit as well. There's all this extra paperwork the government makes her do and with crazy rent and a salary that's hardly grown she's in her 30s and can only afford to rent a spare room in someone's house. It's fucking grim being a teacher. Not sure about the workload but the salaries don’t look too bad. Especially, if you stick with it and take into account pension benefits. A teachers salary would do OK against housing in Staffordshire wouldn’t it? Not that I’d ever consider it. Too many fucking kids! Yeah she was in Reading. I think she got up to £2k/month after tax and pension. Would be a lot nicer with Staffordshire rents. She decided she couldn't afford a flat since a studio or 1 bedroom was round £900/month.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 16, 2023 23:54:49 GMT
An easily transferable skill is to become a Private Tutor and increase your income by about 30% with far less stress of teaching a class of 25+ and the attendant administration uk.talent.com/salary?job=private+tutorThere are an estimated 100,000 private tutors in UK or about 20%+ of "Official " Teachers Of course these Tutors are only available to Families that can afford them It is very similar to the phenomenon of Nurses becoming Agency Workers rather than bf employed by NHS Depending on the Degree Qualification if Teachers have Qualified in STEM Subjects their skills are easily transferable within industry at a much higher salary and better conditions Hence a massive shortage of STEM Teachers The evidence is clear that newly qualified teachers quit the Profession within a relatively short space of years. It has become increasingly difficult to keep the show on the road due to the churn as less and less new entrants enter the Profession and ever more leave. The result is higher class ratios but more disturbingly unqualified in that subject teachers "filling in" for the shortage especially STEM Subjects www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/education/2023/jan/09/third-of-englands-teachers-who-qualified-in-last-decade-have-left-professionThe shortage of STEM teachers isn't a new problem. Back when I was working at a school in 2008, Mathematics was being taught by someone with a degree in Pottery. I had to demonstrate differential equations about 10 mins before a lesson, as they couldn't get their head around it... To their credit, they put on an excellent front and I doubt any of the kids knew. Additionally, it's not their fault they were the one tasked with teaching a subject in-which they were ill-suited. If you've got a STEM degree, you'll never be short of work. If you're a teacher with a STEM degree, you're probably making a career mistake. Your Teaching experience is akin to a Government Minister being briefed by his "Special Advisor" just before giving an important speech/interview The delivery is faultless but the content is complete Bollocks as the person delivering has no grasp of the subject matter (EDIT) That would be the aforementioned Pottery Teacher obviously not you
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 23:56:13 GMT
My ex teaches. Most of her mates who went into teaching burned out and have quit already, she's probably going to quit as well. There's all this extra paperwork the government makes her do and with crazy rent and a salary that's hardly grown she's in her 30s and can only afford to rent a spare room in someone's house. It's fucking grim being a teacher. Not sure about the workload but the salaries don’t look too bad. Especially, if you stick with it and take into account pension benefits. A teachers salary would do OK against housing in Staffordshire wouldn’t it? Not that I’d ever consider it. Too many fucking kids! The workload is ridiculous. My wife is a teacher and she works pretty much every night of the week, always got the laptop out planning lessons etc. Yes she gets good holidays,but she spends a good chunk of those working too so it's not as steady as people think, and when you factor in how many hours she works every week, the money isn't anywhere near enough. It 100% not just a job and is a lifestyle choice, and I can see why many teachers quit their roles as the workload is off the scale stressful.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 16, 2023 23:58:41 GMT
Yep, telling teachers to stop being such utter vaginas, is going to do the trick, it's the obvious solution. If you could get a job that paid you better wages and gave you better working conditions, don't you feel you should be allowed to go for it?
Why, what jobs are teachers landing? Excuse my ignorance My ex's mates went private schools, marketing, publishing and consultancy/training companies. They mostly complained about workload rather than pay. The school had her record "proof" she talked to each kid every day. Like a little note or stamp in their book. Then she had to put it in the computer and end of the week write up progress plans for each kid like "little Badge was bad at writing but at 2 pm on Tuesday we had a breakthrough when he scribbled "nobhead" on Cobham's book (see entry ABCD10 in that day's file). This moves him to level 3 and our assigned task for next week is to learn to spell "knob"". Sounds silly but you're talking hours a week extra work and it burns people out. The pay cuts for teachers probably hurt too.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 17, 2023 0:06:42 GMT
Thank you, this made me LOL and it's so true
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Post by metalhead on Jan 17, 2023 0:14:53 GMT
The shortage of STEM teachers isn't a new problem. Back when I was working at a school in 2008, Mathematics was being taught by someone with a degree in Pottery. I had to demonstrate differential equations about 10 mins before a lesson, as they couldn't get their head around it... To their credit, they put on an excellent front and I doubt any of the kids knew. Additionally, it's not their fault they were the one tasked with teaching a subject in-which they were ill-suited. If you've got a STEM degree, you'll never be short of work. If you're a teacher with a STEM degree, you're probably making a career mistake. Your Teaching experience is akin to a Government Minister being briefed by his "Special Advisor" just before giving an important speech/interview The delivery is faultless but the content is complete Bollocks as the person delivering has no grasp of the subject matter (EDIT) That would be the aforementioned Pottery Teacher obviously not you I never actually asked how it played out I suspect that any questions from kids will have been swerved or met with a blank stare. In their defence, they were setup to fail. They shouldn't have been teaching Maths in the first place.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 17, 2023 0:31:30 GMT
Why, what jobs are teachers landing? Excuse my ignorance My ex's mates went private schools, marketing, publishing and consultancy/training companies. They mostly complained about workload rather than pay. The school had her record "proof" she talked to each kid every day. Like a little note or stamp in their book. Then she had to put it in the computer and end of the week write up progress plans for each kid like "little Badge was bad at writing but at 2 pm on Tuesday we had a breakthrough when he scribbled "nobhead" on Cobham's book (see entry ABCD10 in that day's file). This moves him to level 3 and our assigned task for next week is to learn to spell "knob"". Sounds silly but you're talking hours a week extra work and it burns people out. The pay cuts for teachers probably hurt too. I’ll take it as a compliment that we get noticed enough to get put into a little story. That’s the second one this year
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Post by hamsta2 on Jan 17, 2023 1:05:14 GMT
Yep. So they should be.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 17, 2023 5:16:19 GMT
Why, what jobs are teachers landing? Excuse my ignorance I know a few who joined the police. No wonder Sting is so miserable these days
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 17, 2023 6:07:57 GMT
Why, what jobs are teachers landing? Excuse my ignorance My ex's mates went private schools, marketing, publishing and consultancy/training companies. They mostly complained about workload rather than pay. The school had her record "proof" she talked to each kid every day. Like a little note or stamp in their book. Then she had to put it in the computer and end of the week write up progress plans for each kid like "little Badge was bad at writing but at 2 pm on Tuesday we had a breakthrough when he scribbled "nobhead" on Cobham's book (see entry ABCD10 in that day's file). This moves him to level 3 and our assigned task for next week is to learn to spell "knob"". Sounds silly but you're talking hours a week extra work and it burns people out. The pay cuts for teachers probably hurt too. That's bullshit. Badgers can't hold pencils.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 17, 2023 6:09:56 GMT
Not sure about the workload but the salaries don’t look too bad. Especially, if you stick with it and take into account pension benefits. A teachers salary would do OK against housing in Staffordshire wouldn’t it? Not that I’d ever consider it. Too many fucking kids! Yeah she was in Reading. I think she got up to £2k/month after tax and pension. Would be a lot nicer with Staffordshire rents. She decided she couldn't afford a flat since a studio or 1 bedroom was round £900/month. I think you'll find the appropriate nomenclature for the subject is English, not reading.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 17, 2023 6:14:11 GMT
Badgers are alllwaaays on holiday, sheesh 🙄 Unless they’re terrorising one of your made up sites 😉 Yadda, yadda, yadda; shud up you teacherist. You're like the new momo.
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