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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 17, 2023 6:15:11 GMT
I know a few who joined the police. No wonder Sting is so miserable these days Those that can teach, those that can't, police. Or something like that 🤷
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 17, 2023 6:20:25 GMT
You could reduce class sizes by allowing all the muppets like me and Badger to finish at 14 and enter the real world, allow those that want to bludge off academia etc to stay on until their late 20s.
The early leavers get to retire at 60 and free access to education/training etc when they decide it's actually the right time to take it up.
The rest pay for their courses in full and finish at 70.
In all seriousness scrap the constant inspection of schools and teachers.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 17, 2023 6:51:37 GMT
It probably won't affect my lad currently as he'll be better off at home when the strikes happen. His current teacher at Year 6 level of a local Stoke on Trent school rated as 'good' currently can't teach all of the subjects that they need for some unknown reason. I've tried to ask why but keep getting fobbed off and ignored. Everyone far too busy to reply apparently.
His class (size 30) have to go to the other side of the year and sit in a class with another 30 kids to be taught by the other teacher for a lot of the lessons before returning back to their class to complete their work.
I asked my lad what they have to do if they didn't understand any of the work and had to ask the teacher any questions.
"We can't go back and ask and are told to leave the work and carry on with something else".
Dreadful.
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Post by henry on Jan 17, 2023 6:57:11 GMT
I wonder how public sector workers would react if all private sector workers started downing tools. Boiler broke - tough shit Car broke down - tough shit Shelves empty - tough shit Amazon driver not turned up - tough shit A general strike would be amazing and is absolutely needed. You would change your mind when the internet went off.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 17, 2023 6:58:43 GMT
A general strike would be amazing and is absolutely needed. You would change your mind when the internet went off. LOL!
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Post by henry on Jan 17, 2023 7:05:01 GMT
The brickies iv'e known over the years don't earn 50k Some in London earn double that. The point is, that Brickies aren't going on strike because they haven't had a year by year cut in their wages over the last 12 years, whereas teachers have had. Teachers are leaving the profession in their droves because they can get work elsewhere, that has better pay and conditions. Burying our head in the sand and telling them to go on march isn't going to change the reality of the situation. As a nation we've invested heavily in their teacher training and then we just let that investment go up in smoke because the wages we pay them are so shitty, how stupid does that actually sound? It's our kids we're talking about here.
What do class as a shitty wage?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2023 7:33:52 GMT
A general strike would be amazing and is absolutely needed. You would change your mind when the internet went off. 4g would the save day Dunna worry.
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Post by henry on Jan 17, 2023 7:39:51 GMT
You would change your mind when the internet went off. 4g would the save day Dunna worry. No, the masts have not been maintained. You’d be reduced to sending in letters to points of view, oh wait you can’t do that either because postie has gone on strike.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 17, 2023 9:08:45 GMT
It probably won't affect my lad currently as he'll be better off at home when the strikes happen. His current teacher at Year 6 level of a local Stoke on Trent school rated as 'good' currently can't teach all of the subjects that they need for some unknown reason. I've tried to ask why but keep getting fobbed off and ignored. Everyone far too busy to reply apparently. His class (size 30) have to go to the other side of the year and sit in a class with another 30 kids to be taught by the other teacher for a lot of the lessons before returning back to their class to complete their work. I asked my lad what they have to do if they didn't understand any of the work and had to ask the teacher any questions. "We can't go back and ask and are told to leave the work and carry on with something else". Dreadful. We've had some issues at my lads high school which I've been in dialogue with the school about, when you dig into it the biggest challenge the school has is unfilled vacancies. Teachers are leaving the industry, moving to private schools with smaller class sizes/better working conditions or moving abroad to teach. It will only get worse........
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 17, 2023 9:13:09 GMT
It probably won't affect my lad currently as he'll be better off at home when the strikes happen. His current teacher at Year 6 level of a local Stoke on Trent school rated as 'good' currently can't teach all of the subjects that they need for some unknown reason. I've tried to ask why but keep getting fobbed off and ignored. Everyone far too busy to reply apparently. His class (size 30) have to go to the other side of the year and sit in a class with another 30 kids to be taught by the other teacher for a lot of the lessons before returning back to their class to complete their work. I asked my lad what they have to do if they didn't understand any of the work and had to ask the teacher any questions. "We can't go back and ask and are told to leave the work and carry on with something else". Dreadful. We've had some issues at my lads high school which I've been in dialogue with the school about, when you dig into it the biggest challenge the school has is unfilled vacancies. Teachers are leaving the industry, moving to private schools with smaller class sizes/better working conditions or moving abroad to teach. It will only get worse........ A lot are moving to Private tutoring too which is ironic, since a lot of the parents in my lads class are forking out for to bridge the gap in their knowledge. Crazy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2023 9:18:39 GMT
4g would the save day Dunna worry. No, the masts have not been maintained. You’d be reduced to sending in letters to points of view, oh wait you can’t do that either because postie has gone on strike. And I don’t know how to write. We’re doomed.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 17, 2023 9:23:10 GMT
We've had some issues at my lads high school which I've been in dialogue with the school about, when you dig into it the biggest challenge the school has is unfilled vacancies. Teachers are leaving the industry, moving to private schools with smaller class sizes/better working conditions or moving abroad to teach. It will only get worse........ A lot are moving to Private tutoring too which is ironic, since a lot of the parents in my lads class are forking out for to bridge the gap in their knowledge. Crazy. Done it myself mate, my lad is behind with his GCSE Science partly due to teaching issues and I'm shelling out for 2 hours tuition every week. Luckily we've a nice stash of childcare vouchers sat in my account so it doesn't quite feel like I'm spending.......
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Post by henry on Jan 17, 2023 9:37:39 GMT
No, the masts have not been maintained. You’d be reduced to sending in letters to points of view, oh wait you can’t do that either because postie has gone on strike. And I don’t know how to write. We’re doomed. Were your teachers on strike
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 17, 2023 9:39:56 GMT
Jesus wept. Don’t these people realise how lucky they are to be in a well paid job with more holidays than Judith Chalmers 25% cut in income in the past decade in real terms, but far more work than ever before (mostly admin). It will a bloody nightmare (I have 3 young kids) but I also sympathise with the predicament of teachers. The real question is will the government learn from its mistakes and just negotiate and reach a deal and avoid the strikes? Or will they continue trying to turn the public against all those on strike in the hope it gives them a political advantage?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 17, 2023 10:23:51 GMT
Jesus wept. Don’t these people realise how lucky they are to be in a well paid job with more holidays than Judith Chalmers 25% cut in income in the past decade in real terms, but far more work than ever before (mostly admin). It will a bloody nightmare (I have 3 young kids) but I also sympathise with the predicament of teachers. The real question is will the government learn from its mistakes and just negotiate and reach a deal and avoid the strikes? Or will they continue trying to turn the public against all those on strike in the hope it gives them a political advantage? They don't see it as a mistake. They'll say unions have brought the nation to a stand still and its labour's fault. How it can be labour's fault when they've been in opposition for 12 years is a mystery but plenty will fall for it.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 17, 2023 10:27:33 GMT
25% cut in income in the past decade in real terms, but far more work than ever before (mostly admin). It will a bloody nightmare (I have 3 young kids) but I also sympathise with the predicament of teachers. The real question is will the government learn from its mistakes and just negotiate and reach a deal and avoid the strikes? Or will they continue trying to turn the public against all those on strike in the hope it gives them a political advantage? They don't see it as a mistake. They'll say unions have brought the nation to a stand still and its labour's fault. How it can be labour's fault when they've been in opposition for 12 years is a mystery but plenty will fall for it. I think the vast majority rightly blame the government for the strikes because they refused to negotiate, and then have started to negotiate a bit, which completely undermines their original position that they cannot possibly negotiate. The government has handled the strikes so badly. Are Sunak and Shapps the only people in Britain who don’t realise there is a deap to be done!?
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Post by superjw on Jan 17, 2023 11:28:25 GMT
Well if this goes ahead then my kids teachers better not have the brass neck to threaten me with a fine for taking them out of school for a well earned holiday and visiting family.
I sympathize with anyone who goes on strike in desperation to get their working standards improved. But I lost a lot of respect for Teachers at my kids school after their shambolic handling of my kids education and welfare during and post covid. Serious reform is needed in schools across the UK and if these strikes are a means to that end then so be it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 17, 2023 11:32:10 GMT
Well if this goes ahead then my kids teachers better not have the brass neck to threaten me with a fine for taking them out of school for a well earned holiday and visiting family. I sympathize with anyone who goes on strike in desperation to get their working standards improved. But I lost a lot of respect for Teachers at my kids school after their shambolic handling of my kids education and welfare during and post covid. Serious reform is needed in schools across the UK and if these strikes are a means to that end then so be it. What reform do you suggest? Teachers are leaving the profession in their droves, so whatever it is better involve there being less of them........
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2023 11:47:18 GMT
Well if this goes ahead then my kids teachers better not have the brass neck to threaten me with a fine for taking them out of school for a well earned holiday and visiting family. I sympathize with anyone who goes on strike in desperation to get their working standards improved. But I lost a lot of respect for Teachers at my kids school after their shambolic handling of my kids education and welfare during and post covid. Serious reform is needed in schools across the UK and if these strikes are a means to that end then so be it. What reform do you suggest? Teachers are leaving the profession in their droves, so whatever it is better involve there being less of them........ And as was seen during lockdown teachers provide a key respite for parents from their kids. I thought people would have more respect for them after how hard most people found the teaching from home. It’s sad teachers don’t have more respect.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 17, 2023 12:00:43 GMT
What reform do you suggest? Teachers are leaving the profession in their droves, so whatever it is better involve there being less of them........ And as was seen during lockdown teachers provide a key respite for parents from their kids. I thought people would have more respect for them after how hard most people found the teaching from home. It’s sad teachers don’t have more respect. If everyone went to a one-child policy, there’d be fewer kids in classrooms and so fewer teachers could be employed at better rates. There’s also be fewer people in waiting rooms in generations to come, thus helping the overburdened NHS. Problem solved.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 17, 2023 12:09:00 GMT
And as was seen during lockdown teachers provide a key respite for parents from their kids. I thought people would have more respect for them after how hard most people found the teaching from home. It’s sad teachers don’t have more respect. If everyone went to a one-child policy, there’d be fewer kids in classrooms and so fewer teachers could be employed at better rates. There’s also be fewer people in waiting rooms in generations to come, thus helping the overburdened NHS. Problem solved. I’d say it’s not as much numbers but about parents bringing children into the world with a plan of how they will support them with both love but also financially. Relationships sadly break up unexpectedly but bringing a child into the world should never be used as a tool to generate financial reward.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 17, 2023 12:13:55 GMT
If everyone went to a one-child policy, there’d be fewer kids in classrooms and so fewer teachers could be employed at better rates. There’s also be fewer people in waiting rooms in generations to come, thus helping the overburdened NHS. Problem solved. I’d say it’s not as much numbers but about parents bringing children into the world with a plan of how they will support them with both love but also financially. Relationships sadly break up unexpectedly but bringing a child into the world should never be used as a tool to generate financial reward. A lot of problems could be solved if the number of people in the World was reduced. Housing crisis: eased, teachers will full classes: eased, NHS: eased. Of course then you’d have issues around how to generate the same amount of money to increase GDP, but given that teachers would be much less under burdened, surely they could provide strong enough education that youth in the future could help to solve that challenge?
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Post by superjw on Jan 17, 2023 12:14:10 GMT
What reform do you suggest? Teachers are leaving the profession in their droves, so whatever it is better involve there being less of them........ And as was seen during lockdown teachers provide a key respite for parents from their kids. I thought people would have more respect for them after how hard most people found the teaching from home. It’s sad teachers don’t have more respect. I've lost respect for my kids teachers because they handled covid times incredibly badly. Both of my kids were left with no homeschooling material, no online lessons and my kids school also refused to accept children of keyworkers (which we were) So like many other families we questioned what the teachers in our school were actually doing - because they weren't doing their jobs nor were contactable. That meant in our scenario being left alone with 2 kids with nothing to educate them with, whilst still working full time because we didn't get pleasure of a furlough holiday. We actually managed to get learning resources from a family member at the other end of the country in a different school so the kids could do at least something. That's not the case everywhere I accept, but I'm not going to gain respect through such a negative experience, respect is earned and not a given.
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Post by superjw on Jan 17, 2023 12:18:13 GMT
Well if this goes ahead then my kids teachers better not have the brass neck to threaten me with a fine for taking them out of school for a well earned holiday and visiting family. I sympathize with anyone who goes on strike in desperation to get their working standards improved. But I lost a lot of respect for Teachers at my kids school after their shambolic handling of my kids education and welfare during and post covid. Serious reform is needed in schools across the UK and if these strikes are a means to that end then so be it. What reform do you suggest? Teachers are leaving the profession in their droves, so whatever it is better involve there being less of them........ I'm not qualified enough to reform education, but you have said it yourself that people are leaving in their droves so it clearly needs overhauling. The problems run deeper than pay.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 17, 2023 12:19:37 GMT
Well if this goes ahead then my kids teachers better not have the brass neck to threaten me with a fine for taking them out of school for a well earned holiday and visiting family. I sympathize with anyone who goes on strike in desperation to get their working standards improved. But I lost a lot of respect for Teachers at my kids school after their shambolic handling of my kids education and welfare during and post covid. Serious reform is needed in schools across the UK and if these strikes are a means to that end then so be it. It's not the teachers threatening you mate. It's the LEA and ultimately Government. Just putting you straight.
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Post by superjw on Jan 17, 2023 12:29:48 GMT
Well if this goes ahead then my kids teachers better not have the brass neck to threaten me with a fine for taking them out of school for a well earned holiday and visiting family. I sympathize with anyone who goes on strike in desperation to get their working standards improved. But I lost a lot of respect for Teachers at my kids school after their shambolic handling of my kids education and welfare during and post covid. Serious reform is needed in schools across the UK and if these strikes are a means to that end then so be it. It's not the teachers threatening you mate. It's the LEA and ultimately Government. Just putting you straight. which is fair, but schools ultimately make the referrals for to the authorities. Perhaps by way of some low key strike action, schools can stop the revenue stream by not referring, we all know government doesn't like not earning their money...
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 17, 2023 12:42:12 GMT
Well if this goes ahead then my kids teachers better not have the brass neck to threaten me with a fine for taking them out of school for a well earned holiday and visiting family.I sympathize with anyone who goes on strike in desperation to get their working standards improved. But I lost a lot of respect for Teachers at my kids school after their shambolic handling of my kids education and welfare during and post covid. Serious reform is needed in schools across the UK and if these strikes are a means to that end then so be it. Are you aware that it is the government that makes the laws, not the teachers?
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Post by swampmongrel on Jan 17, 2023 13:37:40 GMT
Jesus wept. Don’t these people realise how lucky they are to be in a well paid job with more holidays than Judith Chalmers 25% cut in income in the past decade in real terms, but far more work than ever before (mostly admin). It will a bloody nightmare (I have 3 young kids) but I also sympathise with the predicament of teachers. The real question is will the government learn from its mistakes and just negotiate and reach a deal and avoid the strikes? Or will they continue trying to turn the public against all those on strike in the hope it gives them a political advantage? It’s not 25%
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Post by swampmongrel on Jan 17, 2023 13:40:06 GMT
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Post by milton58 on Jan 17, 2023 14:53:50 GMT
Well if this goes ahead then my kids teachers better not have the brass neck to threaten me with a fine for taking them out of school for a well earned holiday and visiting family. I sympathize with anyone who goes on strike in desperation to get their working standards improved. But I lost a lot of respect for Teachers at my kids school after their shambolic handling of my kids education and welfare during and post covid. Serious reform is needed in schools across the UK and if these strikes are a means to that end then so be it. wtf have teachers got to do with fining you...it's council local government who fine you..took my granddaughter out last October told her teacher I was taking her Lanzarote and her teacher said have a nice time wish I was going etc...
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