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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2023 19:45:23 GMT
Your not a highly paid sportsman though are you and paid to coach footballers, to compare what you did is not the same at all. I also think there is more to just going on the piss then we are hearing about. And lets face it they play like they have just ben on the piss so I am sure if you performed the same where ever you where then something would be said to you I can’t agree, they’re paid to do a job and their own time is to do as they please like any other profession. It shouldn’t be a concentration camp. It’s basic human rights. And let’s face it, as wank as they’ve been at their job they are humans like anyone else They could have handed their notice in before the trip if they felt that strongly about it.
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Post by tony10 on Jan 18, 2023 19:47:48 GMT
If the rumours are true Then Alex sounds like a no nonsense manager to me. The squad has probably had it to easy under Mon In comes general Alex and the team don’t like the new regime
A total clear out is need Get players who put their career first and want to work
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 18, 2023 19:51:19 GMT
1. Firstly unsubstantiated rumour 2. After working hours time belongs to the individual 3. Drink? What happens if it was a sociable game of pool/darts and the drink was non-alcoholic 4. Individual actions weren’t/aren’t in contravention of local laws/customs etc. Don’t compromise the employers brand Just trying be pragmatic with alternative thoughts Number 2 is not entirely correct, as both the employee and employer have certain obligations and responsibilities if attending work functions and if you attend you can be bound to adhere to those conditions Perhaps misinterpretation. I worked all over the world for over 15 years. If there was a function after the normal work day I, as would others would automatically attend. It was a natural aspect of the job. If however there was nothing planned “out of hours” I/we were never restricted in our own time to barracks. As long as I/we didn’t put the brand at risk we had “complete” freedom to do as we like. Example…..work done in Hong Kong. Out to find a bar showing EPL, some on a trip to the races etc. If our employer tried to restrict (they never would) our out of work activities they would have had quite rightly short swift response’s
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2023 19:51:36 GMT
If you want to go on a locked down training camp you don’t go to Dubai. When has “warm weather training” ever achieved anything anyway. The only thing I hear is how a teams performance levels have dipped following a trip to Dubai or wherever, it doesn’t make any sense to me why it’s a thing I don’t think that’s true tbh and warm weather training makes lots of sense to prevent injuries etc. But for me a trip like that is as much about team building as it is training.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 18, 2023 19:54:25 GMT
1. Firstly unsubstantiated rumour 2. After working hours time belongs to the individual 3. Drink? What happens if it was a sociable game of pool/darts and the drink was non-alcoholic 4. Individual actions weren’t/aren’t in contravention of local laws/customs etc. Don’t compromise the employers brand Just trying be pragmatic with alternative thoughts Is there any such thing as out of hours when you’re a footballer? From August till May you are a professional athlete getting paid far too much for their own good. I’d imagine it’s in their contract/club policy that as a professional athlete you will act… professionally. The fuckers were lucky enough to go to Dubai anyway let alone out on the piss all night. They don’t clock in and out, do they? It’s simple. If your football manager tells you you can’t go out drinking, you don’t go out drinking. There’s many stories down the years of players sneaking out on the piss when they’ve been told not to. Normally followed up with punishment along the lines of banishment from the starting 11 etc. Wasn’t the classic story of Jon Walters covering the fine of a broken window also that he paid the hotel receptionist/manager not to tell Sparky because they’d been told they can’t go out? It’s common football practice. The kit man getting involved is unbelievably bizarre. Get rid of him straight away. Sounds like AN did. See point 3 and 4. Otherwise keep dreaming. People live life’s
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 18, 2023 19:58:16 GMT
I can’t agree, they’re paid to do a job and their own time is to do as they please like any other profession. It shouldn’t be a concentration camp. It’s basic human rights. And let’s face it, as wank as they’ve been at their job they are humans like anyone else They could have handed their notice in before the trip if they felt that strongly about it. What a load of shit. Someone starts a rumour and the Oatcake takes over the role as witch finder general
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 18, 2023 19:58:48 GMT
Number 2 is not entirely correct, as both the employee and employer have certain obligations and responsibilities if attending work functions and if you attend you can be bound to adhere to those conditions Perhaps misinterpretation. I worked all over the world for over 15 years. If there was a function after the normal work day I, as would others would automatically attend. It was a natural aspect of the job. If however there was nothing planned “out of hours” I/we were never restricted in our own time to barracks. As long as I/we didn’t put the brand at risk we had “complete” freedom to do as we like. Example…..work done in Hong Kong. Out to find a bar showing EPL, some on a trip to the races etc. If our employer tried to restrict (they never would) our out of work activities they would have had quite rightly short swift response’s Yes, I agree with that as one perspective however another is that you are at a work retreat for “x” days and by attending you agree to the T&C’s
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 18, 2023 20:06:19 GMT
My biggest take from this rumour is that whatever AN did on the training ground in Dubai (regardless of his approach) it evidently has not improved us! It seemed to initially, as we were better after the World Cup break and even had forwards scoring a few goals between them.
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Post by wherty on Jan 18, 2023 20:17:11 GMT
The kit man job advertised wasn't for the 1st team and only the 1st team kit men went to Dubai so make of the rumour what you will. Sometimes 2+2=5.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 18, 2023 20:55:48 GMT
Perhaps misinterpretation. I worked all over the world for over 15 years. If there was a function after the normal work day I, as would others would automatically attend. It was a natural aspect of the job. If however there was nothing planned “out of hours” I/we were never restricted in our own time to barracks. As long as I/we didn’t put the brand at risk we had “complete” freedom to do as we like. Example…..work done in Hong Kong. Out to find a bar showing EPL, some on a trip to the races etc. If our employer tried to restrict (they never would) our out of work activities they would have had quite rightly short swift response’s Yes, I agree with that as one perspective however another is that you are at a work retreat for “x” days and by attending you agree to the T&C’s T&C’s…….come on fro Christ sake
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 18, 2023 21:23:42 GMT
The kit man job advertised wasn't for the 1st team and only the 1st team kit men went to Dubai so make of the rumour what you will. Sometimes 2+2=5. Are you saying there's nothing in it then?
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 18, 2023 23:39:10 GMT
If true I'm pretty sure Delap senior could sue the club for constructive dismissal which could be very expensive.
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Post by thepottereye on Jan 18, 2023 23:50:26 GMT
Rumours are that Delap Snr and other back room staff had a major fallout with the manager during their trip to Dubai. AN didn’t want anyone leaving the hotel at night to go drinking. Apparently the kit man told him no one was telling him what he could/couldn’t do in his own time and went out drinking. Delap Snr followed him also. On their return to training, at Clayton Woods, some of the players and Delap Snr. thought that AN was conducting the sessions like a Regimental Sargent Major which caused unrest in the dressing room. Delap and AN didn’t see eye to eye on training methods. AN obviously didn’t believe Delap could be trusted to carry out his wishes and that they could no longer work together. Liam Delap requested that Man City recall him from loan following the fallout. Where are the rumours from Ian ? This sounds like one of the most ridiculous and far fetched posts I have ever read on here ? I would love you to give us an insight on how you can across this ‘in the know’ information !
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 19, 2023 0:35:13 GMT
My biggest take from this rumour is that whatever AN did on the training ground in Dubai (regardless of his approach) it evidently has not improved us! It seemed to initially, as we were better after the World Cup break and even had forwards scoring a few goals between them. Exactly what I am thinking whilst reading this thread.. some massive bust up in Dubai would've surely affected the team immediately, not in some sort of slow motion. I'm don't buy it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 19, 2023 0:50:49 GMT
They could have handed their notice in before the trip if they felt that strongly about it. What a load of shit. Someone starts a rumour and the Oatcake takes over the role as witch finder general I'm not saying it's true, just discussing hypothetically, maybe I should have worded it a little differently. Personally I couldn't give a shit if it's true or not, he's gone either way.
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Post by callas12 on Jan 19, 2023 1:56:01 GMT
The kit man job advertised wasn't for the 1st team and only the 1st team kit men went to Dubai so make of the rumour what you will. Sometimes 2+2=5. Perhaps one of the first team kit men were involved & has since left the club. Natural progression to fill the void would be one of the academy kit staff gets promoted to first team duties thus leaving a vacancy that currently exists and has been advertised. A Kit staff vacancy mid season doesn't seem the norm anyhow.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 19, 2023 2:56:21 GMT
If true I'm pretty sure Delap senior could sue the club for constructive dismissal which could be very expensive. They’d have to prove it. They could easily say, “look at us, he’s crap” and then show some of the instagram videos of set-pieces he’s been in 😂 I don’t know. What’s a footballer’s free time? It’s certainly not 9-5. If they go on an all-expenses paid vacation to Dubai on the employer, surely it’s not that hard to tow the company line?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 19, 2023 9:52:55 GMT
If true I'm pretty sure Delap senior could sue the club for constructive dismissal which could be very expensive. They’d have to prove it. They could easily say, “look at us, he’s crap” and then show some of the instagram videos of set-pieces he’s been in 😂 I don’t know. What’s a footballer’s free time? It’s certainly not 9-5. If they go on an all-expenses paid vacation to Dubai on the employer, surely it’s not that hard to tow the company line? There must be some sort of itinerary. I can’t believe that even with people as well paid as they are your employer can dictate your life 24 hrs a day. I used to spend weeks away at a time through work. When the planned activities finished your time was your own. If you misbehaved during your own time you could still be disciplined or sacked but at least you had some free time to do whatever you wanted to.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 19, 2023 10:14:07 GMT
If true I'm pretty sure Delap senior could sue the club for constructive dismissal which could be very expensive. They’d have to prove it. They could easily say, “look at us, he’s crap” and then show some of the instagram videos of set-pieces he’s been in 😂 I don’t know. What’s a footballer’s free time? It’s certainly not 9-5. If they go on an all-expenses paid vacation to Dubai on the employer, surely it’s not that hard to tow the company line? So if your company sent you abroad for meetings and then said but after the meetings are done you must sit in your hotel and not visit the city you'd be happy? Once you have carried out your job the time left is your own and cannot be controlled by your employer. You might get a warning reminding you that you are representing the firm/club and not to do anything to besmirch the name but you cannot be restricted in what you do. As Guardiola said when asked about Mendy what he does in his own time cannot be controlled by me or the club. As regards your first paragraph there has to be a warning from the employer about not doing the job to expected standards before being able to dismiss him and I don't think saying the manager doesn't like the way you do your job would stand up in court as long as you are carrying out your duties. Constructive dismissal is when you are forced to leave your job against your will because of the behaviour of your employer. This can include sudden demotion, a change in working conditions and expectations including the hours you have to work, both of which I think Rory can claim
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Post by thepottereye on Jan 19, 2023 11:15:15 GMT
Rumours are that Delap Snr and other back room staff had a major fallout with the manager during their trip to Dubai. AN didn’t want anyone leaving the hotel at night to go drinking. Apparently the kit man told him no one was telling him what he could/couldn’t do in his own time and went out drinking. Delap Snr followed him also. On their return to training, at Clayton Woods, some of the players and Delap Snr. thought that AN was conducting the sessions like a Regimental Sargent Major which caused unrest in the dressing room. Delap and AN didn’t see eye to eye on training methods. AN obviously didn’t believe Delap could be trusted to carry out his wishes and that they could no longer work together. Liam Delap requested that Man City recall him from loan following the fallout. Guys, please don’t give this Delap Snr nonsense any more time. You are all commenting on a pathetic unsubstantiated rumour that some imbecile has created. I find the fact that ‘ian Buckley’ has just posted this and given no evidence of this event just embarrassing. It would be great to see us all ask Ian buckley where he has heard this rumour then he can either proof it or think twice before creat utter BS again.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 19, 2023 11:40:17 GMT
Rumours are that Delap Snr and other back room staff had a major fallout with the manager during their trip to Dubai. AN didn’t want anyone leaving the hotel at night to go drinking. Apparently the kit man told him no one was telling him what he could/couldn’t do in his own time and went out drinking. Delap Snr followed him also. On their return to training, at Clayton Woods, some of the players and Delap Snr. thought that AN was conducting the sessions like a Regimental Sargent Major which caused unrest in the dressing room. Delap and AN didn’t see eye to eye on training methods. AN obviously didn’t believe Delap could be trusted to carry out his wishes and that they could no longer work together. Liam Delap requested that Man City recall him from loan following the fallout. Guys, please don’t give this Delap Snr nonsense any more time. You are all commenting on a pathetic unsubstantiated rumour that some imbecile has created. I find the fact that ‘ian Buckley’ has just posted this and given no evidence of this event just embarrassing. It would be great to see us all ask Ian buckley where he has heard this rumour then he can either proof it or think twice before creat utter BS again. This board would be awfully quiet if everything anyone posted had to be written in blood. We take part in conjecture, discuss rumours. Maybe a messageboard for football fans isn't your thing.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 19, 2023 11:42:35 GMT
They’d have to prove it. They could easily say, “look at us, he’s crap” and then show some of the instagram videos of set-pieces he’s been in 😂 I don’t know. What’s a footballer’s free time? It’s certainly not 9-5. If they go on an all-expenses paid vacation to Dubai on the employer, surely it’s not that hard to tow the company line? So if your company sent you abroad for meetings and then said but after the meetings are done you must sit in your hotel and not visit the city you'd be happy? Once you have carried out your job the time left is your own and cannot be controlled by your employer. You might get a warning reminding you that you are representing the firm/club and not to do anything to besmirch the name but you cannot be restricted in what you do. As Guardiola said when asked about Mendy what he does in his own time cannot be controlled by me or the club. As regards your first paragraph there has to be a warning from the employer about not doing the job to expected standards before being able to dismiss him and I don't think saying the manager doesn't like the way you do your job would stand up in court as long as you are carrying out your duties. Constructive dismissal is when you are forced to leave your job against your will because of the behaviour of your employer. This can include sudden demotion, a change in working conditions and expectations including the hours you have to work, both of which I think Rory can claim It's just a microcosm of what is going on all over the world on a much greater scale. Authoritarianism, you either love it or you hate it.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jan 19, 2023 13:24:27 GMT
Rumours are that Delap Snr and other back room staff had a major fallout with the manager during their trip to Dubai. AN didn’t want anyone leaving the hotel at night to go drinking. Apparently the kit man told him no one was telling him what he could/couldn’t do in his own time and went out drinking. Delap Snr followed him also. On their return to training, at Clayton Woods, some of the players and Delap Snr. thought that AN was conducting the sessions like a Regimental Sargent Major which caused unrest in the dressing room. Delap and AN didn’t see eye to eye on training methods. AN obviously didn’t believe Delap could be trusted to carry out his wishes and that they could no longer work together. Liam Delap requested that Man City recall him from loan following the fallout. Guys, please don’t give this Delap Snr nonsense any more time. You are all commenting on a pathetic unsubstantiated rumour that some imbecile has created. I find the fact that ‘ian Buckley’ has just posted this and given no evidence of this event just embarrassing. It would be great to see us all ask Ian buckley where he has heard this rumour then he can either proof it or think twice before creat utter BS again. It's only a rumour and people enjoy speculating clearly, I do anyway. Maybe a discussion board isn't for you my mate.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 19, 2023 13:41:14 GMT
When has “warm weather training” ever achieved anything anyway. The only thing I hear is how a teams performance levels have dipped following a trip to Dubai or wherever, it doesn’t make any sense to me why it’s a thing I don’t think that’s true tbh and warm weather training makes lots of sense to prevent injuries etc. But for me a trip like that is as much about team building as it is training. but doesn't that also depends the level of training input that is required at the time?
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Post by wherty on Jan 22, 2023 7:57:09 GMT
The kit man job advertised wasn't for the 1st team and only the 1st team kit men went to Dubai so make of the rumour what you will. Sometimes 2+2=5. Are you saying there's nothing in it then? Yes I am saying there's nothing in this. No kit man has been sacked and Rorys departure was nothing to do with any trip to Dubai.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 22, 2023 8:34:46 GMT
Are you saying there's nothing in it then? Yes I am saying there's nothing in this. No kit man has been sacked and Rorys departure was nothing to do with any trip to Dubai. Thanks. Nice one. Unfortunately won’t stop the gossip mongers though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 22, 2023 11:00:03 GMT
I mean there might be no correlation but he’s gone a week and the set pieces were generally very good and we had one of the inventive set pieces we’ve seen in God knows when.
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