|
Post by callas12 on Jan 10, 2023 17:32:21 GMT
A manager needs his own staff. Not exactly firing in the league are we so makes perfect sense for the manager to get it exactly how he wants. Not really too much more too it is there? & to be fair Neils's worked with him for 3/4mths now so it wasn't a knee jerk reaction when he was first appointed. Given it a go & clearly not the fit that Neil wants going forward so has decided to mix things up abit.
|
|
|
Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 10, 2023 17:46:18 GMT
In his youth Rory was very good at the javelin - he'd got that ability through very specific training from a young age. You can't train up a footballer to that standard - he just had an ability other footballers don't have. If we had a javelin thrower in our ranks it might have been worth giving them some coaching - otherwise it just wouldn't have been worth the effort. Other teams seem to have players who can throw. Can't believe they were all budding javelin throwers at some point. The only one I can think of who came anywhere near was Dave Challinor. It really isn't something you can just have a few goes at and be that effective - unless you have intensive very specific training you're going to damage your shoulder. Unless you've been intensively trained or a freak it just isn't something that's going to work out. I think you're underestimating how hard it is to do what Rory used to do.
|
|
|
Post by loosestools on Jan 10, 2023 18:02:17 GMT
Sacrificial lamb. Deflectology?
|
|
|
Post by wakeypotter on Jan 10, 2023 18:49:00 GMT
Good luck Rory and thanks. Hope you get a decent gig
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Jan 10, 2023 19:19:52 GMT
A manager needs his own staff. Not exactly firing in the league are we so makes perfect sense for the manager to get it exactly how he wants. Not really too much more too it is there? Totally agree. Any remaining appointments by Hughes, Lambert, Rowett, Jones or O’Neill now need to go. (I’m assuming none of TP’s appointments are left, otherwise they should go too)
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 10, 2023 20:20:05 GMT
A manager needs his own staff. Not exactly firing in the league are we so makes perfect sense for the manager to get it exactly how he wants. Not really too much more too it is there? Totally agree. Any remaining appointments by Hughes, Lambert, Rowett, Jones or O’Neill now need to go. (I’m assuming none of TP’s appointments are left, otherwise they should go too) and your comments although well meaning highlight completely what’s gone wrong and will no doubt continue until we find a level of success that is acceptable to the owners and supporters which = Utopia. Perhaps EPL sustainability Delivery time? Your guess is as good as mine. We had it and gave it away
|
|
|
Post by danceswithclams on Jan 10, 2023 22:02:11 GMT
Sacrificial lamb. Deflectology? Cracking album. Wasn't much for their later stuff though.
|
|
|
Post by J-Roar on Jan 11, 2023 9:13:29 GMT
Other teams seem to have players who can throw. Can't believe they were all budding javelin throwers at some point. The only one I can think of who came anywhere near was Dave Challinor. It really isn't something you can just have a few goes at and be that effective - unless you have intensive very specific training you're going to damage your shoulder. Unless you've been intensively trained or a freak it just isn't something that's going to work out. I think you're underestimating how hard it is to do what Rory used to do. I'm not on about being the world's best, I mean to at least develop what we had so we had some kind of threat. Irrelevant now as he's gone.
|
|
|
Post by pottersrule on Jan 11, 2023 18:49:06 GMT
Someone somewhere said his title was ‘set piece coach’ That’s probably why he’s been let go! Yup if you can’t make better use of Souttar’s aerial dominance from corners and free kicks your set piece routines aren’t very good. It does help if the corner takers can clear the first man,without ballooning it over to the other corner flag though.
|
|
|
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 11, 2023 18:53:16 GMT
Yup if you can’t make better use of Souttar’s aerial dominance from corners and free kicks your set piece routines aren’t very good. It does help if the corner takers can clear the first man,without ballooning it over to the other corner flag though. Oh right so the coaches don't work on delivery. Don't tell me they practice set pieces without a ball. Explains everything.
|
|
|
Post by Timmy on Jan 11, 2023 19:40:13 GMT
Yup if you can’t make better use of Souttar’s aerial dominance from corners and free kicks your set piece routines aren’t very good. It does help if the corner takers can clear the first man,without ballooning it over to the other corner flag though. That's why Thompson shouldn't be anywhere near a dead ball.
|
|
|
Post by ashleyscfc on Jan 12, 2023 12:25:41 GMT
Getting rid of the few men at the club who was probably loyal to the club more so than any manager/player seems like either a power struggle or AN getting rid of a spy in the camp.
Either way the 'Delap's' were the least of our problems
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 12, 2023 14:02:48 GMT
Getting rid of the few men at the club who was probably loyal to the club more so than any manager/player seems like either a power struggle or AN getting rid of a spy in the camp. Either way the 'Delap's' were the least of our problems It’s almost certainly just AN wanting his own coaching team, surely? We’re a mish-mash of several managers’ players and ideas right now. Streamlining that seems eminently sensible.
|
|
|
Post by scfc75 on Jan 12, 2023 14:16:24 GMT
“Knew the club”
|
|
|
Post by pottersrule on Jan 12, 2023 18:47:53 GMT
It does help if the corner takers can clear the first man,without ballooning it over to the other corner flag though. Oh right so the coaches don't work on delivery. Don't tell me they practice set pieces without a ball. Explains everything. They work on delivery,but we haven't got anybody capable of putting it into practice was my point.
|
|
|
Post by Old School Stokie on Jan 12, 2023 19:06:47 GMT
Wish him luck, but Nice guy - we need straight talkers and task masters to get team in shape and winners - Delap was never really had winning mentity - mind you who has aprt from the Manager
|
|
|
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 12, 2023 19:52:17 GMT
Oh right so the coaches don't work on delivery. Don't tell me they practice set pieces without a ball. Explains everything. They work on delivery,but we haven't got anybody capable of putting it into practice was my point. Baker's delivery was good god know's what's happened to that and the rest of his game.
|
|
|
Post by pottersrule on Jan 12, 2023 23:53:22 GMT
They work on delivery,but we haven't got anybody capable of putting it into practice was my point. Baker's delivery was good god know's what's happened to that and the rest of his game. It's a Stoke thing.Good players,managers all seem to regress on arrival at the Bet 365.
|
|
|
Post by chigstoke on Jan 12, 2023 23:58:06 GMT
Baker's delivery was good god know's what's happened to that and the rest of his game. It's a Stoke thing.Good players,managers all seem to regress on arrival at the Bet 365. Must be a contractual clause
|
|
|
Post by iglugluk on Jan 12, 2023 23:59:12 GMT
If the set-piece training snippet released in the summer was anything to go by ( and I suspect it was ) then I'm not entirely surprised that this has occurred.
|
|
|
Post by malisastokie on Jan 13, 2023 0:23:35 GMT
I don’t think it is solely AN doing.
Martin was very specific in a 30 / 60 / 90 day plan in his role.
I believe collectively Coates / Martin and AN has assessed the football structure, coaching staff and playing group.
The easiest first move or low hanging fruit is the coaching / back room staff hence Rory and the doctor have gone.
The next step is certain players cards will have been marked and between now and the summer they will transition them out.
Liam’s move is definitely to do with Rory but to do with Liam’s welfare and man c not wanting him to work in an environment with people who have moved Rory on.
I would be surprised by the speed of Liam’s exit and joining PNE if Stoke made Man C of Rory’s impending exit ahead of time
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 13, 2023 0:35:02 GMT
Wish him luck, but Nice guy - we need straight talkers and task masters to get team in shape and winners - Delap was never really had winning mentity - mind you who has aprt from the Manager “never really had winning mentality”. No not after a career circa 500 1st team and 10. International appearances, returning to the top flight after breaking a leg and then goes onto a coaching career. 🙄
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 13, 2023 0:39:47 GMT
It does help if the corner takers can clear the first man,without ballooning it over to the other corner flag though. That's why Thompson shouldn't be anywhere near a dead ball. Sod knows what's gone on with him, all he had was good corner delivery and it's completely gone to pot.
|
|
|
Post by dirtclod on Jan 13, 2023 2:47:22 GMT
I don’t think it is solely AN doing. Martin was very specific in a 30 / 60 / 90 day plan in his role. I believe collectively Coates / Martin and AN has assessed the football structure, coaching staff and playing group. The easiest first move or low hanging fruit is the coaching / back room staff hence Rory and the doctor have gone. The next step is certain players cards will have been marked and between now and the summer they will transition them out. Liam’s move is definitely to do with Rory but to do with Liam’s welfare and man c not wanting him to work in an environment with people who have moved Rory on. I would be surprised by the speed of Liam’s exit and joining PNE if Stoke made Man C of Rory’s impending exit ahead of time Stop Making Sense!
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Jan 16, 2023 13:44:14 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-alex-neil-sunderland-8035492?123=Alex Neil is being linked with a return to Sunderland to try to poach coach Mike Dodds.
The Mirror claims that Dodds is on a short list of potential replacements. Dodds was moved from head of player development to a first team role at Sunderland while Neil was in charge, having previously helped bring through Jude Bellingham during 12 years in the junior set-up at Birmingham City.
Neil, when asked about bringing in a new coach on Friday, said: “That's something that is ongoing like most things at the club. We'll see where we get to. I'm not sure at the moment, we'll need to wait and see. There are a whole list of things I'd like to do but naturally we've only got so much time and there's only so much manoeuvrability to make sure we get to where we want to get to.”
Delap Sr and Liam Delap were not the only two to make their Stoke exits last week, with club doctor David White also moving on.
It is understand that Steve Corns, who has been opposition analyst for 10 years, is also leaving the club.
|
|
|
Post by silsdenstokie on Jan 16, 2023 13:47:51 GMT
Mike Dodds?
Cant say Ive ever heard of him
|
|
|
Post by LGH87 on Jan 16, 2023 13:55:11 GMT
Mike Dodds? Cant say Ive ever heard of him Probably a good thing, the best managers and coaches these days are the one's you tend to have not heard of.
|
|
|
Post by datguy on Jan 16, 2023 14:09:20 GMT
Mike Dodds sat next to Alex Neil in Yr 7 maths. Good lads.
|
|
|
Post by Gods on Jan 16, 2023 15:18:48 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-alex-neil-sunderland-8035492?123=Alex Neil is being linked with a return to Sunderland to try to poach coach Mike Dodds.
The Mirror claims that Dodds is on a short list of potential replacements. Dodds was moved from head of player development to a first team role at Sunderland while Neil was in charge, having previously helped bring through Jude Bellingham during 12 years in the junior set-up at Birmingham City.
Neil, when asked about bringing in a new coach on Friday, said: “That's something that is ongoing like most things at the club. We'll see where we get to. I'm not sure at the moment, we'll need to wait and see. There are a whole list of things I'd like to do but naturally we've only got so much time and there's only so much manoeuvrability to make sure we get to where we want to get to.”
Delap Sr and Liam Delap were not the only two to make their Stoke exits last week, with club doctor David White also moving on.
It is understand that Steve Corns, who has been opposition analyst for 10 years, is also leaving the club. Blimey, he's even fired the Doctor. Or perhaps the Doctor left of his own volition concluding he is certifiably mad, who knows? Are we to expect an audacious bid to prise away the resident Doctor from the Stadium of Light?
|
|
|
Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 16, 2023 15:27:38 GMT
The only one I can think of who came anywhere near was Dave Challinor. It really isn't something you can just have a few goes at and be that effective - unless you have intensive very specific training you're going to damage your shoulder. Unless you've been intensively trained or a freak it just isn't something that's going to work out. I think you're underestimating how hard it is to do what Rory used to do. I'm not on about being the world's best, I mean to at least develop what we had so we had some kind of threat. Irrelevant now as he's gone. Throw ins are only a threat if you have someone who is exceptionally good at it. There is literally no such thing as a threatening throw in by someone who is quite good at throw ins - if it was every team would be doing it. As you said it's irrelevant now that Rory's gone, especially as it wasn't an option even when he was here.
|
|