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Post by werrington on Sept 20, 2022 12:02:58 GMT
Friday night 7:45pm ….England need a result to avoid relegation
Think Southgate will go full strength for this match
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Post by Davef on Sept 20, 2022 12:06:33 GMT
England need a result to avoid relegation. There's a sentence you never thought you'd read!
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 20, 2022 12:13:33 GMT
I wonder if we win, if the papers will start talking about how we now “have revenge” or are “certain to win the WC”.
I have no idea (other than the fact that a lot of people wouldn’t watch) why a Championship (and below) team needs to take a break for these meaningless internationals.
WC, yes (if in the winter). But a glorified friendly? What’s the point?
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Post by werrington on Sept 20, 2022 12:15:52 GMT
I wonder if we win, if the papers will start talking about how we now “have revenge” or are “certain to win the WC”. I have no idea (other than the fact that a lot of people wouldn’t watch) why a Championship (and below) team needs to take a break for these meaningless internationals. WC, yes (if in the winter). But a glorified friendly? What’s the point? Because the majority of championship clubs have players who are called up by their respective countries Off the top of my head we alone have 2 ….maybes more? Anyway that stuff gets covered every international break without fail
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 20, 2022 12:25:31 GMT
I think we are going on a downward curve under this manager now, he's done a good job, we had our big chance last summer though and he bottled it.
There's a good enough group of players there now, much better than in 2018, but those recent performances were really poor, no coherency at all
Obviously we will be going with Southgate for the world cup but hopefully the FA are looking at other options now
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 20, 2022 12:32:08 GMT
Imperative that Bellingham gets an uninterrupted run of games going forward, he is the heartbeat of our midfield for the next 10 years if he stays fit..........
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Post by thevoid on Sept 20, 2022 12:42:37 GMT
I think we are going on a downward curve under this manager now, he's done a good job, we had our big chance last summer though and he bottled it. There's a good enough group of players there now, much better than in 2018, but those recent performances were really poor, no coherency at all Obviously we will be going with Southgate for the world cup but hopefully the FA are looking at other options now Wonder if Brenda would fancy it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2022 12:43:19 GMT
I wonder if we win, if the papers will start talking about how we now “have revenge” or are “certain to win the WC”. I have no idea (other than the fact that a lot of people wouldn’t watch) why a Championship (and below) team needs to take a break for these meaningless internationals. WC, yes (if in the winter). But a glorified friendly? What’s the point? Many Championship players are internationals to be fair. Can't be doing with international breaks also but only fair national teams have a game especially if going to the WC.
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Post by mattythestokie on Sept 20, 2022 12:47:06 GMT
I think we are going on a downward curve under this manager now, he's done a good job, we had our big chance last summer though and he bottled it. There's a good enough group of players there now, much better than in 2018, but those recent performances were really poor, no coherency at all Obviously we will be going with Southgate for the world cup but hopefully the FA are looking at other options now Semi final of World Cup followed by Final of euros suggests an upwards trend. Far from a downward curve. A lot more pressure on him and the team for this World Cup though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2022 13:00:54 GMT
I think we are going on a downward curve under this manager now, he's done a good job, we had our big chance last summer though and he bottled it. There's a good enough group of players there now, much better than in 2018, but those recent performances were really poor, no coherency at all Obviously we will be going with Southgate for the world cup but hopefully the FA are looking at other options now Semi final of World Cup followed by Final of euros suggests an upwards trend. Far from a downward curve. A lot more pressure on him and the team for this World Cup though. Can see his point. A lot of players not in form and don't look the side they were a couple of years ago but some teams just come good that month. I think are heading for a poor WC unless they drastically pick up but could happen.
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 20, 2022 13:07:44 GMT
I wonder if we win, if the papers will start talking about how we now “have revenge” or are “certain to win the WC”. I have no idea (other than the fact that a lot of people wouldn’t watch) why a Championship (and below) team needs to take a break for these meaningless internationals. WC, yes (if in the winter). But a glorified friendly? What’s the point? Because the majority of championship clubs have players who are called up by their respective countries Off the top of my head we alone have 2 ….maybes more? Anyway that stuff gets covered every international break without fail But it’s not enough that we couldn’t field a strong team. I get the premier league doing it, I don’t get others. Anyways, I predict a boring game with neither team really caring much about the overall result.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2022 13:15:45 GMT
I think we are going on a downward curve under this manager now, he's done a good job, we had our big chance last summer though and he bottled it. There's a good enough group of players there now, much better than in 2018, but those recent performances were really poor, no coherency at all Obviously we will be going with Southgate for the world cup but hopefully the FA are looking at other options now Semi final of World Cup followed by Final of euros suggests an upwards trend. Far from a downward curve. A lot more pressure on him and the team for this World Cup though. Last Nations League round was a disaster though and there's a fair few signs that player and manager have reached the end of their cycle.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2022 13:18:08 GMT
Semi final of World Cup followed by Final of euros suggests an upwards trend. Far from a downward curve. A lot more pressure on him and the team for this World Cup though. Can see his point. A lot of players not in form and don't look the side they were a couple of years ago but some teams just come good that month. I think are heading for a poor WC unless they drastically pick up but could happen. Suspect it'll be regression to the mean and out to France/Argentina in the quarter finals - assuming we avoid the Dutch in the last 16.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2022 13:22:23 GMT
Can see his point. A lot of players not in form and don't look the side they were a couple of years ago but some teams just come good that month. I think are heading for a poor WC unless they drastically pick up but could happen. Suspect it'll be regression to the mean and out to France/Argentina in the quarter finals - assuming we avoid the Dutch in the last 16. Add Portugal to that maybe. Got Argies at 11-1. Look a real good side at the mo but agree, can see the Dutch coming close
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 20, 2022 13:26:18 GMT
After our summer holiday we are looking at getting a couple of "possible results" against top opposition. Italy away seems pretty much beyond us given our current form, and we've barely ever won over there (a couple of friendlies back in the day). It might mean we have some different teams in the next round of the Nation's league but it will severely impact our pots/rankings for qualification for Euro 2024. I predict, two defeats.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 20, 2022 13:35:44 GMT
I wonder if we win, if the papers will start talking about how we now “have revenge” or are “certain to win the WC”. I have no idea (other than the fact that a lot of people wouldn’t watch) why a Championship (and below) team needs to take a break for these meaningless internationals. WC, yes (if in the winter). But a glorified friendly? What’s the point? I’d be amazed if you could find any newspaper story from any era ever saying England are certain to win a tournament three months before it takes place
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 20, 2022 13:48:01 GMT
Friday night 7:45pm ….England need a result to avoid relegation Think Southgate will go full strength for this match Why is there a thread about England on a Stoke message board? 😁😁😁😁
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 20, 2022 14:29:03 GMT
Friday night 7:45pm …. England need a result to avoid relegation Think Southgate will go full strength for this match Unless England can influence a German-style turnaround by increasing the number of teams in each league!
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 20, 2022 15:22:43 GMT
I think we are going on a downward curve under this manager now, he's done a good job, we had our big chance last summer though and he bottled it. There's a good enough group of players there now, much better than in 2018, but those recent performances were really poor, no coherency at all Obviously we will be going with Southgate for the world cup but hopefully the FA are looking at other options now Wonder if Brenda would fancy it? I shall become a Man Shaft fan if he gets it.
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 20, 2022 15:35:03 GMT
I think we are going on a downward curve under this manager now, he's done a good job, we had our big chance last summer though and he bottled it. There's a good enough group of players there now, much better than in 2018, but those recent performances were really poor, no coherency at all Obviously we will be going with Southgate for the world cup but hopefully the FA are looking at other options now Yep will probably trundle to the world cup a la Hodgson in the hope he can turn things around, I'm really not sure we can. The more that we lose, the more negative we get, which means we lose more. You can't beat these teams on the backfoot all the time. I wonder if the FA will pull the trigger if we do get relegated? Had they hoped for much better performances, you'd think so.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2022 15:41:50 GMT
I think we are going on a downward curve under this manager now, he's done a good job, we had our big chance last summer though and he bottled it. There's a good enough group of players there now, much better than in 2018, but those recent performances were really poor, no coherency at all Obviously we will be going with Southgate for the world cup but hopefully the FA are looking at other options now Yep will probably trundle to the world cup a la Hodgson in the hope he can turn things around, I'm really not sure we can. The more the we lose, the more negative we get, which means we lose more. You can't beat these teams on the backfoot all the time. I wonder if the FA will pull the trigger if we do get relegated? Had they hoped for much better performances, you'd think so. Can't see it happening two months before the tournament starts tbh.
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 20, 2022 15:55:17 GMT
Yep will probably trundle to the world cup a la Hodgson in the hope he can turn things around, I'm really not sure we can. The more the we lose, the more negative we get, which means we lose more. You can't beat these teams on the backfoot all the time. I wonder if the FA will pull the trigger if we do get relegated? Had they hoped for much better performances, you'd think so. Can't see it happening two months before the tournament starts tbh. No agree, a bit pointless. Unless they are BAD defeats.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2022 17:03:24 GMT
Be some achievement, getting England relegated.
Scott Parker will be packing his bags.
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Post by walrus on Sept 20, 2022 17:41:30 GMT
Because the majority of championship clubs have players who are called up by their respective countries Off the top of my head we alone have 2 ….maybes more? Anyway that stuff gets covered every international break without fail But it’s not enough that we couldn’t field a strong team. I get the premier league doing it, I don’t get others. Anyways, I predict a boring game with neither team really caring much about the overall result. If it was an international break with a full set of senior and U21 fixtures we could easily find ourselves without: Bursik Smallbone Thompson Delap Brown Souttar Kilkenny Fosu (although he hasn’t had a call up in a while) So that’s potentially seven or eight players out, plus whatever injuries we have at the time of this hypothetical international break. We could conceivably be without 10+ players. Pretty much every Championship side will be in a similar position. If anything the better sides will be hardest hit as they are likely to have more international players. International breaks are often frustrating for fans but it’s hard to argue that the sporting integrity of the league wouldn’t be harmed by forcing teams to play five games a season without half their squad.
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Post by block23 on Sept 20, 2022 18:45:09 GMT
We will be at Baddeley Green Club watching oooo Georgie Berry😁
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 20, 2022 19:36:07 GMT
Can see his point. A lot of players not in form and don't look the side they were a couple of years ago but some teams just come good that month. I think are heading for a poor WC unless they drastically pick up but could happen. Suspect it'll be regression to the mean and out to France/Argentina in the quarter finals - assuming we avoid the Dutch in the last 16. Yes thatsprobably what will happen as we are on the downward curve. Expect at the end of the world cup an FA announcement of a contract extension for Southgate
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2022 19:43:15 GMT
Suspect it'll be regression to the mean and out to France/Argentina in the quarter finals - assuming we avoid the Dutch in the last 16. Yes thatsprobably what will happen as we are on the downward curve. Expect at the end of the world cup an FA announcement of a contract extension for Southgate 😉 I would think he'll be gone come December. He's a likeable fella and did far better than expected but think he's come to the end .....watch them have a great tournament now. A giant Twix that Parker will be the next manager if he does
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Post by peterpan1 on Sept 20, 2022 19:54:08 GMT
I think we are going on a downward curve under this manager now, he's done a good job, we had our big chance last summer though and he bottled it. There's a good enough group of players there now, much better than in 2018, but those recent performances were really poor, no coherency at all Obviously we will be going with Southgate for the world cup but hopefully the FA are looking at other options now Semi final of World Cup followed by Final of euros suggests an upwards trend. Far from a downward curve. A lot more pressure on him and the team for this World Cup though. I'll see it as an upward trend when we actually win something.
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Post by lordb on Sept 20, 2022 20:36:20 GMT
Semi final of World Cup followed by Final of euros suggests an upwards trend. Far from a downward curve. A lot more pressure on him and the team for this World Cup though. I'll see it as an upward trend when we actually win something. I see, so there hasn't been an upward trend from being knocked out by Iceland at Euro 2016? No improvement at all?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2022 20:41:29 GMT
Suspect it'll be regression to the mean and out to France/Argentina in the quarter finals - assuming we avoid the Dutch in the last 16. Yes thatsprobably what will happen as we are on the downward curve. Expect at the end of the world cup an FA announcement of a contract extension for Southgate Weird one isn’t it - done a great job overall and probably the second best England manager in my lifetime (possibly even the best) yet I wouldn’t want him within 100 miles of the Stoke job.
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