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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 21, 2022 16:20:41 GMT
Will this game see the first formal rendition of 'God Save the King' at a football match since 1952? No. It was first used at Stokes ground for a laaaydeees association football international wasn’t it? Another Stoke first. If you mean the England v Luxembourg game a couple of weeks ago, that would have been very disrespectful (or maybe just psychic) given that the Queen was still alive!
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 21, 2022 16:24:43 GMT
No the ladies game at Stoke was the LAST time that God Save the Queen was sung while she was still alive.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 21, 2022 16:26:24 GMT
Here we go, get rid of the best manager we've had for decades. With a squad that is accepted to be nowhere near as good as previous ones Sounds familiar and very close to home What, in that in both cases it's totally the right call? What are you taking about?
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 21, 2022 16:34:00 GMT
No the ladies game at Stoke was the LAST time that God Save the Queen was sung while she was still alive. Thank you. Sorry all.
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Post by peterpan1 on Sept 21, 2022 16:45:15 GMT
I'll see it as an upward trend when we actually win something. I see, so there hasn't been an upward trend from being knocked out by Iceland at Euro 2016? No improvement at all? I could have picked a team to beat Iceland back in 2016 I agree we have a very strong squad on paper and sincerely hope we get a W at the World Cup. Our manager unfortunately is a perennial loser and for me doesn't have the X factor to win it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 16:50:31 GMT
I see, so there hasn't been an upward trend from being knocked out by Iceland at Euro 2016? No improvement at all? I could have picked a team to beat Iceland back in 2016 I agree we have a very strong squad on paper and sincerely hope we get a W at the World Cup. Our manager unfortunately is a perennial loser and for me doesn't have the X factor to win it. Would be quite an achievement getting relegated with the only club and national side you've managed
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 21, 2022 17:16:29 GMT
What, in that in both cases it's totally the right call? What are you taking about? It was the right call to sack Pulis when we did and it’ll be the right call to move Southgate on after this tournament, whatever happens.
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Post by lordb on Sept 21, 2022 17:32:31 GMT
I see, so there hasn't been an upward trend from being knocked out by Iceland at Euro 2016? No improvement at all? I could have picked a team to beat Iceland back in 2016 I agree we have a very strong squad on paper and sincerely hope we get a W at the World Cup. Our manager unfortunately is a perennial loser and for me doesn't have the X factor to win it. I see I would argue he's overacheived with the players at his disposal We have some very good players but not in central defence I can't see any other England manager since Ramsey who has done better, most have achieved less with better squads Doesn't mean he's without flaw or that he should be manager for ever but the reluctance os so many to give him credit, any credit is embarressing
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Post by peterpan1 on Sept 21, 2022 18:06:19 GMT
I could have picked a team to beat Iceland back in 2016 I agree we have a very strong squad on paper and sincerely hope we get a W at the World Cup. Our manager unfortunately is a perennial loser and for me doesn't have the X factor to win it. I see I would argue he's overacheived with the players at his disposal We have some very good players but not in central defence I can't see any other England manager since Ramsey who has done better, most have achieved less with better squads Doesn't mean he's without flaw or that he should be manager for ever but the reluctance os so many to give him credit, any credit is embarressing Different opinions and both valid. I guess we don't have too long to wait and see what the team can do come the WC.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 21, 2022 19:20:24 GMT
What are you taking about? It was the right call to sack Pulis when we did and it’ll be the right call to move Southgate on after this tournament, whatever happens. It wasn't right. It ended up in relegation for us and look where we're are now. As for Southgate, he is doing an excellent job.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 21, 2022 19:25:53 GMT
It was the right call to sack Pulis when we did and it’ll be the right call to move Southgate on after this tournament, whatever happens. It wasn't right. It ended up in relegation for us and look where we're are now. As for Southgate, he is doing an excellent job. We got relegated five years later having improved our league position in three of those seasons. How are you attributing the decision to get rid as being responsible when the seasons after we left saw us become a measurably better side? If anything it stopped us being relegated sooner. Southgate has on the whole (those tactical brainfarts aside) done an excellent job but nothing lasts forever and all managers have a shelf life. There are signs that he’s nearing his.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 19:34:19 GMT
Yep think Southgate's time is up as said, all managers have a shelf life and perhaps a victim of his own success as fans expect to be challenging in tournaments now a little too much when knockout stages was perhaps the expectancy before.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 21, 2022 19:41:07 GMT
I wonder if we win, if the papers will start talking about how we now “have revenge” or are “certain to win the WC”. I have no idea (other than the fact that a lot of people wouldn’t watch) why a Championship (and below) team needs to take a break for these meaningless internationals. WC, yes (if in the winter). But a glorified friendly? What’s the point? Because the majority of championship clubs have players who are called up by their respective countries Off the top of my head we alone have 2 ….maybes more? Anyway that stuff gets covered every international break without fail Two isn't a lot, though. We could play if needs be, albeit slightly hampered. If purchasing foreign players is going to get a lot tougher in our league post-Brexit, it's likely that most teams at this level will have maybe one or two home nations players who go away and nobody else. Perhaps it's worth the authorities revisiting whether Second Division football really needs to stop for internationals?
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 21, 2022 21:19:47 GMT
Because the majority of championship clubs have players who are called up by their respective countries Off the top of my head we alone have 2 ….maybes more? Anyway that stuff gets covered every international break without fail Two isn't a lot, though. We could play if needs be, albeit slightly hampered. If purchasing foreign players is going to get a lot tougher in our league post-Brexit, it's likely that most teams at this level will have maybe one or two home nations players who go away and nobody else. Perhaps it's worth the authorities revisiting whether Second Division football really needs to stop for internationals? We have a few more than 2 this international break, Bursik, Thompson, Delap, Smallbone, Sparrow out of the players who’ve recently been involved in our first team. Also Brown would have been had he not been injured. Could still play without those players of course but i imagine a few of the teams in this league, especially the recently relegated ones, will have a few more than that aswell.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 22:06:44 GMT
Used to be the game was cancelled if more than 2 called up in our league wasn't it?
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 22, 2022 0:29:47 GMT
Agree with that Joe but I also do think Southgate didn’t manage the game well and that’s been a feature in a few big games. The SF of the World Cup another mate We could ( maybe should ) be sat here discussing England as world and European champions but for his negativity Funny old game France would've beat us in the final. They were best in the world.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 22, 2022 1:44:15 GMT
It was the right call to sack Pulis when we did and it’ll be the right call to move Southgate on after this tournament, whatever happens. It wasn't right. It ended up in relegation for us and look where we're are now. As for Southgate, he is doing an excellent job. "Nottingham Forest's decision to appoint Brian Clough ended up in relegation"
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 22, 2022 3:25:43 GMT
It wasn't right. It ended up in relegation for us and look where we're are now. As for Southgate, he is doing an excellent job. "Nottingham Forest's decision to appoint Brian Clough ended up in relegation" The shit appointing Ferguson led them losing the 2011 champions league final
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Post by thevoid on Sept 22, 2022 5:38:44 GMT
It was the right call to sack Pulis when we did and it’ll be the right call to move Southgate on after this tournament, whatever happens. It wasn't right. It ended up in relegation for us and look where we're are now. As for Southgate, he is doing an excellent job. Oh not this revisionist bollocks again
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 22, 2022 6:45:18 GMT
Here we go, get rid of the best manager we've had for decades. With a squad that is accepted to be nowhere near as good as previous ones Sounds familiar and very close to home Who have we sacked that we shouldn’t in the last decade? 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 22, 2022 6:46:17 GMT
It was the right call to sack Pulis when we did and it’ll be the right call to move Southgate on after this tournament, whatever happens. It wasn't right. It ended up in relegation for us and look where we're are now. As for Southgate, he is doing an excellent job. 5 years later. Are you for real?
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Post by werrington on Sept 22, 2022 6:53:35 GMT
The SF of the World Cup another mate We could ( maybe should ) be sat here discussing England as world and European champions but for his negativity Funny old game France would've beat us in the final. They were best in the world. But they might not of Joe …..that’s the point mate Every team has a day where they aren’t quite on it and get exploited and England on their day were as good as France and when Southgate didn’t shit himself He still does 4 years later
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 22, 2022 7:58:45 GMT
It was the right call to sack Pulis when we did and it’ll be the right call to move Southgate on after this tournament, whatever happens. It wasn't right. It ended up in relegation for us and look where we're are now. As for Southgate, he is doing an excellent job. Jesus Hates Christ 😂
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Post by superalexneil on Sept 22, 2022 9:09:17 GMT
no brainer for me come november -
pickford
walker stones maguire chilwell
rice bellingham
grealish foden sterling
kane
SIMPLES
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Post by kerouac on Sept 22, 2022 9:11:10 GMT
Here we go, get rid of the best manager we've had for decades. With a squad that is accepted to be nowhere near as good as previous ones Sounds familiar and very close to home This is the best squad we’ve had in years,I can’t think why you say it’s accepted as nowhere near the standard of others we’ve had. Southgate isn’t a top manager,he’s as good as we’ve had in a long while but,let’s face it,the bar has been set pretty low.If he was a top manager we’d have won a trophy by now,we’ve had the chance twice but he showed his failings with bizarre decisions and tactical naivety.Why he hung those lads out to dry with the penalties still totally flummoxes me….criminal.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 22, 2022 9:52:40 GMT
Because the majority of championship clubs have players who are called up by their respective countries Off the top of my head we alone have 2 ….maybes more? Anyway that stuff gets covered every international break without fail Two isn't a lot, though. We could play if needs be, albeit slightly hampered. If purchasing foreign players is going to get a lot tougher in our league post-Brexit, it's likely that most teams at this level will have maybe one or two home nations players who go away and nobody else. Perhaps it's worth the authorities revisiting whether Second Division football really needs to stop for internationals? That's not how the current governments immigration policy works. The top jobs (including opportunities for the best overseas footballers) are available on the international job market to attract "top talent" from abroad (it's cheaper than training and educating the plebs and free movement is now effectively a privilege enjoyed by the global elite for the benefit of the global elite). In terms of players who are good enough to be called up the numbers will be pretty much the same - any reduction in numbers as a result of Brexit will be in terms of European players not quite good enough to make their national squad. Any reduction in players getting called up will result from the economy going tits up and football no longer having the money sloshing around to attract the top players. Ironically if Brexit succeeds economically the problem of overseas call ups will get worse - it will only improve if Brexit causes the economy to tank.
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Post by flea79 on Sept 22, 2022 10:35:41 GMT
It wasn't right. It ended up in relegation for us and look where we're are now. As for Southgate, he is doing an excellent job. 5 years later. Are you for real? i still blame Hajduk Split and the curse that is placed on any team who beats them, they promised us that we would be relegated and thus it came to pass
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Post by BuzzB on Sept 22, 2022 10:46:38 GMT
no brainer for me come november - pickford walker stones maguire chilwell rice bellingham grealish foden sterling kane SIMPLES he needs to play his first choice where possible between now and Qatar, no pissballing about like June
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Post by lordb on Sept 22, 2022 10:59:07 GMT
no brainer for me come november - pickford walker stones maguire chilwell rice bellingham grealish foden sterling kane SIMPLES he needs to play his first choice where possible between now and Qatar, no pissballing about like June Only 2 games before the World Cup Suspect he will play 4 at the back in one and wingbacks in another Either way would expect what he perceives as strongest starting XI in both Toney to get 30 minutes in both maybe
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Post by lordb on Sept 22, 2022 11:00:39 GMT
Here we go, get rid of the best manager we've had for decades. With a squad that is accepted to be nowhere near as good as previous ones Sounds familiar and very close to home This is the best squad we’ve had in years,I can’t think why you say it’s accepted as nowhere near the standard of others we’ve had. Southgate isn’t a top manager,he’s as good as we’ve had in a long while but,let’s face it,the bar has been set pretty low.If he was a top manager we’d have won a trophy by now,we’ve had the chance twice but he showed his failings with bizarre decisions and tactical naivety.Why he hung those lads out to dry with the penalties still totally flummoxes me….criminal. A lot of the squad is very exciting however central defence is still the worst pool we have ever had going into any World Cup imho
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