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Post by lordb on Sept 20, 2022 21:38:07 GMT
Yes thatsprobably what will happen as we are on the downward curve. Expect at the end of the world cup an FA announcement of a contract extension for Southgate Weird one isn’t it - done a great job overall and probably the second best England manager in my lifetime (possibly even the best) yet I wouldn’t want him within 100 miles of the Stoke job. Completely different jobs Wouldn't want Alex Neill for the England job
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 20, 2022 21:47:42 GMT
Yes thatsprobably what will happen as we are on the downward curve. Expect at the end of the world cup an FA announcement of a contract extension for Southgate Weird one isn’t it - done a great job overall and probably the second best England manager in my lifetime (possibly even the best) yet I wouldn’t want him within 100 miles of the Stoke job. International and club managing are different jobs altogether.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2022 21:56:44 GMT
Weird one isn’t it - done a great job overall and probably the second best England manager in my lifetime (possibly even the best) yet I wouldn’t want him within 100 miles of the Stoke job. Completely different jobs Wouldn't want Alex Neill for the England job Could see him doing well enough with the Scotland job.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 20, 2022 23:19:40 GMT
Yes thatsprobably what will happen as we are on the downward curve. Expect at the end of the world cup an FA announcement of a contract extension for Southgate Weird one isn’t it - done a great job overall and probably the second best England manager in my lifetime (possibly even the best) yet I wouldn’t want him within 100 miles of the Stoke job. I'd even go a step further Rob re the weirdness of his tenure. He got us to a final and probably cost us the game with his decision making both in the 120 minutes and subsequently, in penos. We should never have lost to Italy really. Italy's dreadful results since have shown they are an average side in all departments.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 21, 2022 5:15:46 GMT
Weird one isn’t it - done a great job overall and probably the second best England manager in my lifetime (possibly even the best) yet I wouldn’t want him within 100 miles of the Stoke job. I'd even go a step further Rob re the weirdness of his tenure. He got us to a final and probably cost us the game with his decision making both in the 120 minutes and subsequently, in penos. We should never have lost to Italy really. Italy's dreadful results since have shown they are an average side in all departments. Rewriting history. Italy were the best side in the competition. They've been shyte since.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 21, 2022 5:36:31 GMT
Friday night 7:45pm ….England need a result to avoid relegation Think Southgate will go full strength for this match Why is there a thread about England on a Stoke message board? 😁😁😁😁 Yeah I don't give a fuck about England that's why I've opened this thread 😁
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 21, 2022 5:45:39 GMT
I'd even go a step further Rob re the weirdness of his tenure. He got us to a final and probably cost us the game with his decision making both in the 120 minutes and subsequently, in penos. We should never have lost to Italy really. Italy's dreadful results since have shown they are an average side in all departments. Rewriting history. Italy were the best side in the competition. They've been shyte since. Agree with that Joe but I also do think Southgate didn’t manage the game well and that’s been a feature in a few big games.
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Post by werrington on Sept 21, 2022 5:50:26 GMT
Rewriting history. Italy were the best side in the competition. They've been shyte since. Agree with that Joe but I also do think Southgate didn’t manage the game well and that’s been a feature in a few big games. The SF of the World Cup another mate We could ( maybe should ) be sat here discussing England as world and European champions but for his negativity Funny old game
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 21, 2022 6:19:29 GMT
Agree with that Joe but I also do think Southgate didn’t manage the game well and that’s been a feature in a few big games. The SF of the World Cup another mate We could ( maybe should ) be sat here discussing England as world and European champions but for his negativity Funny old game Were lucky to get past Colombia as well mate, his changes let them back in it when we were coasting.
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Post by wilcopotter on Sept 21, 2022 7:05:07 GMT
Agree with that Joe but I also do think Southgate didn’t manage the game well and that’s been a feature in a few big games. The SF of the World Cup another mate We could ( maybe should ) be sat here discussing England as world and European champions but for his negativity Funny old game The fact that you could be discussing that at all tells you how well he has done.
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Post by Gods on Sept 21, 2022 7:07:24 GMT
Will this game see the first formal rendition of 'God Save the King' at a football match since 1952?
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 21, 2022 8:23:49 GMT
Agree with that Joe but I also do think Southgate didn’t manage the game well and that’s been a feature in a few big games. The SF of the World Cup another mate We could ( maybe should ) be sat here discussing England as world and European champions but for his negativity Funny old game I'd hold him more responsible for Croatia than Italy. Against Italy I'd say the players bottled it. In the second half Ricey was carrying the ball forward and play opened up. Despite him liking a strike he did a non descript sideways pass.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 21, 2022 8:24:58 GMT
I'd even go a step further Rob re the weirdness of his tenure. He got us to a final and probably cost us the game with his decision making both in the 120 minutes and subsequently, in penos. We should never have lost to Italy really. Italy's dreadful results since have shown they are an average side in all departments. Rewriting history. Italy were the best side in the competition. They've been shyte since. Read your comment back and realise how ridiculous it sounds. It's the same side 😂
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 21, 2022 8:26:06 GMT
Be some achievement, getting England relegated. Scott Parker will be packing his bags. Graham Potter will have been sacked at Chelsea by then 👍
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 21, 2022 8:26:54 GMT
The SF of the World Cup another mate We could ( maybe should ) be sat here discussing England as world and European champions but for his negativity Funny old game Were lucky to get past Colombia as well mate, his changes let them back in it when we were coasting. Colombia were idiots though. They were a throwback to the cliches of South American football in the 60s Niggly and violent. BUT last ten minutes when they had to come out and play they were really good. If they'd played football instead of being nasty we'd have been well beaten
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 21, 2022 8:28:44 GMT
Rewriting history. Italy were the best side in the competition. They've been shyte since. Read your comment back and realise how ridiculous it sounds. It's the same side 😂 But after lifting the trophy their mindset changed. It's the same side with a different mentality. Fuck knows what changed in them but something did
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 8:36:32 GMT
Be some achievement, getting England relegated. Scott Parker will be packing his bags. Graham Potter will have been sacked at Chelsea by then 👍 I think had he stayed he would possibly have been England manager by new year...if he wanted to be of course. I can't see past disaster in Qatar although got a great squad to work with they look a disjointed bunch at the moment but it isn't what happened in the last few months and you never know.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 21, 2022 8:59:24 GMT
Were lucky to get past Colombia as well mate, his changes let them back in it when we were coasting. Colombia were idiots though. They were a throwback to the cliches of South American football in the 60s Niggly and violent. BUT last ten minutes when they had to come out and play they were really good. If they'd played football instead of being nasty we'd have been well beaten Agree with that but the second half changes he made really allowed them to play as well. They were given a foothold because we sat back on a one-goal lead. We got away with it that time but we wouldn't against Italy. Taking Sterling off against Croatia was foolish and negative as well.
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Post by jhtstokie on Sept 21, 2022 9:28:04 GMT
The SF of the World Cup another mate We could ( maybe should ) be sat here discussing England as world and European champions but for his negativity Funny old game I'd hold him more responsible for Croatia than Italy. Against Italy I'd say the players bottled it. In the second half Ricey was carrying the ball forward and play opened up. Despite him liking a strike he did a non descript sideways pass. I’d say Southgate bottled it more than the players against Italy, left it too late to make changes. Mancini had made subs early in the 2nd half to turn the game around but Southgate didn’t act and left it until 70 minutes to make subs, by which they’d equalised at that point and we’d had 1 shot on target which was the goal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 10:08:51 GMT
Colombia were idiots though. They were a throwback to the cliches of South American football in the 60s Niggly and violent. BUT last ten minutes when they had to come out and play they were really good. If they'd played football instead of being nasty we'd have been well beaten Agree with that but the second half changes he made really allowed them to play as well. They were given a foothold because we sat back on a one-goal lead. We got away with it that time but we wouldn't against Italy. Taking Sterling off against Croatia was foolish and negative as well. Was a case of trying to hang on to the early goal. Croatia were playing a higher line as the game went on and England let them dictate the game. I thought Mason Mount was the issue v Italy. As above said, Mancini rotated it when not going to plan, England seem to have a ride out out and hope approach under Southgate. Blew both games for me tactically
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 21, 2022 10:26:21 GMT
Colombia were idiots though. They were a throwback to the cliches of South American football in the 60s Niggly and violent. BUT last ten minutes when they had to come out and play they were really good. If they'd played football instead of being nasty we'd have been well beaten Agree with that but the second half changes he made really allowed them to play as well. They were given a foothold because we sat back on a one-goal lead. We got away with it that time but we wouldn't against Italy. Taking Sterling off against Croatia was foolish and negative as well. As soon as Sterling went off our attacking threat dissolved. His pace was sce. Pegged back our defenders could've whacked it forward for him to chase and it'd alleviate the pressure occupy opposition defenders and maybe even score a goal.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 21, 2022 10:33:37 GMT
Agree with that but the second half changes he made really allowed them to play as well. They were given a foothold because we sat back on a one-goal lead. We got away with it that time but we wouldn't against Italy. Taking Sterling off against Croatia was foolish and negative as well. Was a case of trying to hang on to the early goal. Croatia were playing a higher line as the game went on and England let them dictate the game. I thought Mason Mount was the issue v Italy. As above said, Mancini rotated it when not going to plan, England seem to have a ride out out and hope approach under Southgate. Blew both games for me tactically Agree. The Croatia game also exposed that we don't produce/utilise the kind of technical midfield player they had in abundance, but we might still have nudged through if we hadn't tried to see out the game on a slender lead. Does my nut in when teams do it, Pulis' standard Etherington for Whitehead job, even when it worked, was a nerve jangler that saw us holding on for dear life at times rather than killing teams off.
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Post by lordb on Sept 21, 2022 11:08:52 GMT
I'd even go a step further Rob re the weirdness of his tenure. He got us to a final and probably cost us the game with his decision making both in the 120 minutes and subsequently, in penos. We should never have lost to Italy really. Italy's dreadful results since have shown they are an average side in all departments. Rewriting history. Italy were the best side in the competition. They've been shyte since. And before There are no outstanding sides in this era of international football as such a side who are pretty good (about a dozen of those) who get it together at the right time and a bit of luck re injuries and referees e.t.c will win it Just like Italy last summer Maybe a side will step up and become an outstanding side during the tournament Argentina getting a lot of plaudits atm but imho their squad doesn't look as good as past top sides Not many look like they can defend well The Dutch defence looks excellent but they look very ordinary at the other end Really think the World Cup is wide open
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 11:45:02 GMT
Rewriting history. Italy were the best side in the competition. They've been shyte since. And before There are no outstanding sides in this era of international football as such a side who are pretty good (about a dozen of those) who get it together at the right time and a bit of luck re injuries and referees e.t.c will win it Just like Italy last summer Maybe a side will step up and become an outstanding side during the tournament Argentina getting a lot of plaudits atm but imho their squad doesn't look as good as past top sides Not many look like they can defend well The Dutch defence looks excellent but they look very ordinary at the other end Really think the World Cup is wide open Agree re the Dutch but they have players in their sides capable of scoring goals. How often at tournaments does a player hit a purple patch of goals , sometimes unexpected? Argentina are a really well organised side and have match winners also. Portugal the same. France of course will be a side to not rule out and Germany and Spain could have what it takes on the day of course and whilst not necessarily fancied like previous tournaments won't just be making up numbers. Odd not including Brazil too much, don't think will win the thing but will take a good enough side to knock them out. Should be a good open tournament as you say with several potential winners.
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Post by Goonie on Sept 21, 2022 12:24:47 GMT
I think we are going on a downward curve under this manager now, he's done a good job, we had our big chance last summer though and he bottled it. There's a good enough group of players there now, much better than in 2018, but those recent performances were really poor, no coherency at all Obviously we will be going with Southgate for the world cup but hopefully the FA are looking at other options now Wonder if Brenda would fancy it? TP available and never been relegated (cheeky whistle) 😙🎶
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Post by werrington on Sept 21, 2022 13:17:34 GMT
The SF of the World Cup another mate We could ( maybe should ) be sat here discussing England as world and European champions but for his negativity Funny old game The fact that you could be discussing that at all tells you how well he has done. Oh I certainly don’t disagree tbh but also he does have an exceptional pool of players to choose from He just shit himself and didn’t utilise them properly
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 13:21:24 GMT
The SF of the World Cup another mate We could ( maybe should ) be sat here discussing England as world and European champions but for his negativity Funny old game Were lucky to get past Colombia as well mate, his changes let them back in it when we were coasting. They like Spain in 82 were a good side but put dark tactics over their ability to play football until it was too late. They could have gone as far as England Edit...sorry someone already said the same above just read 😁
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Post by senojbor on Sept 21, 2022 16:06:51 GMT
Here we go, get rid of the best manager we've had for decades. With a squad that is accepted to be nowhere near as good as previous ones Sounds familiar and very close to home
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 21, 2022 16:09:08 GMT
Here we go, get rid of the best manager we've had for decades. With a squad that is accepted to be nowhere near as good as previous ones Sounds familiar and very close to home What, in that in both cases it's totally the right call?
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 21, 2022 16:11:33 GMT
Will this game see the first formal rendition of 'God Save the King' at a football match since 1952? No. It was first used at Stokes ground for a laaaydeees association football international wasn’t it? Another Stoke first.
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