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Post by kustokie on Sept 14, 2022 22:08:28 GMT
Welcome to the Oatcake. A word of warning about arguing with the mega-poster. It’s like wrestling a greasy pig, but don’t get sucked in because he enjoys it and must have the last word. Yep. Just be nice if these ‘supporters’ actually supported. The primary purpose of a bulletin board is debate not cheer-leading. We did well yesterday but it’s ok, at least in my opinion, to point how we can do better. Perfecting strengths is important but strengthening weaknesses is the best way to improve.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 22:08:58 GMT
Welcome to the Oatcake. A word of warning about arguing with the mega-poster. It’s like wrestling a greasy pig, but don’t get sucked in because he enjoys it and must have the last word. Yep. Just be nice if these ‘supporters’ actually supported. Who isn’t supporting? I want to see better players playing. Why wouldn’t any supporter want that?
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Post by kustokie on Sept 14, 2022 22:11:56 GMT
Yep. Just be nice if these ‘supporters’ actually supported. Who isn’t supporting? I want to see better players playing. Why wouldn’t any supporter want that? Agreed!
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Post by UsAndThem on Sept 14, 2022 22:13:51 GMT
I take it that you have watched the reel of Brown’s goals from last year which I mentioned in my previous post to you and you have stopped pretending that he has got no footballing ability? I wasn’t debating whether he was a Rwb or not, I was merely opposing your opinion that ‘all he does is run’ and that he’s got no technical ability. If you haven’t seen the reel I have referred to then let me know and I’ll post a link. Most of his goals are when he has zero time to think which imo is a sign of a lack of technique and talent. 😂😂 so he just happened to be standing there in the exact same spot where the ball landed and it basically hit him and went in? There’s no clever diagonal runs to meet a cross….. no situations where he picked the ball up on the edge of the box with his back to the goal, turns one player, second touch gives him space and third touch is in the back of the net from a tight angle? You’re very selective to what you actually reply to. I don’t post often but read this board every other day or so. I’ve noticed that you often ignore or type smaller posts back to things you’re wrong on but never acknowledge you’re wrong. I just wish Tom Edwards was still here and contributing all those assists and defending all of those conceded goals from the back post.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 22:15:33 GMT
Most of his goals are when he has zero time to think which imo is a sign of a lack of technique and talent. 😂😂 so he just happened to be standing there in the exact same spot where the ball landed and it basically hit him and went in? There’s no clever diagonal runs to meet a cross….. no situations where he picked the ball up on the edge of the box with his back to the goal, turns one player, second touch gives him space and third touch is in the back of the net from a tight angle? You’re very selective to what you actually reply to. I don’t post often but read this board every other day or so. I’ve noticed that you often ignore or type smaller posts back to things you’re wrong on but never acknowledge you’re wrong. I just wish Tom Edwards was still here and contributing all those assists and defending all of those conceded goals from the back post. No. When he has time and space he usually fucks it up. Which is a feeling I know well in football. I don’t think I’m wrong though so why would I say I was? 😂 If I think I’m wrong I say so.
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Post by Picasso on Sept 14, 2022 22:19:11 GMT
Yep. Just be nice if these ‘supporters’ actually supported. The primary purpose of a bulletin board is debate not cheer-leading. We did well yesterday but it’s ok, at least in my opinion, to point how we can do better. Perfecting strengths is important but strengthening weaknesses is the best way to improve. Absolutely! I’m certainly not a cheerleader and debate is what it’s about. Obviously, we can still improve and strengthening weaknesses is quite right, but to call out a player as only being able to run a lot after contributing to a good win is harsh.
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Post by UsAndThem on Sept 14, 2022 22:23:45 GMT
😂😂 so he just happened to be standing there in the exact same spot where the ball landed and it basically hit him and went in? There’s no clever diagonal runs to meet a cross….. no situations where he picked the ball up on the edge of the box with his back to the goal, turns one player, second touch gives him space and third touch is in the back of the net from a tight angle? You’re very selective to what you actually reply to. I don’t post often but read this board every other day or so. I’ve noticed that you often ignore or type smaller posts back to things you’re wrong on but never acknowledge you’re wrong. I just wish Tom Edwards was still here and contributing all those assists and defending all of those conceded goals from the back post. No. When he has time and space he usually fucks it up. Which is a feeling I know well in football. I don’t think I’m wrong though so why would I say I was? 😂 If I think I’m wrong I say so. Attachments:
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Post by Picasso on Sept 14, 2022 22:24:58 GMT
Who isn’t supporting? I want to see better players playing. Why wouldn’t any supporter want that? Agreed! Again, of course we all want to see better players and we can still improve, but last night was a good performance and I think the players deserve credit for that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 22:29:12 GMT
Again, of course we all want to see better players and we can still improve, but last night was a good performance and I think the players deserve credit for that. It was but Brown did nothing which was fine as it meant he didn’t fuck up defensively. And it’s the most I expect from him there. He didn’t play well though. He didn’t have to. Thankfully.
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Post by UsAndThem on Sept 14, 2022 22:29:16 GMT
No. When he has time and space he usually fucks it up. Which is a feeling I know well in football. I don’t think I’m wrong though so why would I say I was? 😂 If I think I’m wrong I say so. Can’t seem to attach the photo properly from my phone but that attachment above says that Jacob Brown scored 13 goals last season. His expected goals (xG) was 10.19. So the stats/facts say that you’re wrong. He actually scores more goals than he is expected to based on the chances he had. Which of you watched the reels you would see. I think you’re watching the wrong sport
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 22:31:03 GMT
Can’t seem to attach the photo properly from my phone but that attachment above says that Jacob Brown scored 13 goals last season. His expected goals (xG) was 10.19. So the stats/facts say that you’re wrong. He actually scores more goals than he is expected to based on the chances he had. Which of you watched the reels you would see. I think you’re watching the wrong sport I don’t believe in xg so that’s cool.
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Post by Picasso on Sept 14, 2022 22:37:07 GMT
Again, of course we all want to see better players and we can still improve, but last night was a good performance and I think the players deserve credit for that. It was but Brown did nothing which was fine as it meant he didn’t fuck up defensively. And it’s the most I expect from him there. He didn’t play well though. He didn’t have to. Thankfully. This is kind of my point about supporting. The majority of people on this thread were pleased with his contribution. You weren’t and that’s fine, but to then say he did ‘nothing’ and that that was a good thing because if he had done something he’d have ‘fucked up’ is basically, shit support.
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Post by UsAndThem on Sept 14, 2022 22:38:01 GMT
Can’t seem to attach the photo properly from my phone but that attachment above says that Jacob Brown scored 13 goals last season. His expected goals (xG) was 10.19. So the stats/facts say that you’re wrong. He actually scores more goals than he is expected to based on the chances he had. Which of you watched the reels you would see. I think you’re watching the wrong sport I don’t believe in xg so that’s cool. That’s fine. After this conversation I’ve had with you I’d bet you still believe in Santa though. Whether you believe in xG or not it’s pretty evident that he doesn’t fuck up easy chances and he scores chances that he wouldn’t be expected to. Which again is credit to him. Just goes to show that an early impression sticks and no matter how much someone improves it won’t changed peoples minds
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 22:40:26 GMT
It was but Brown did nothing which was fine as it meant he didn’t fuck up defensively. And it’s the most I expect from him there. He didn’t play well though. He didn’t have to. Thankfully. This is kind of my point about supporting. The majority of people on this thread were pleased with his contribution. You weren’t and that’s fine, but to then say he did ‘nothing’ and that that was a good thing because if he had done something he’d have ‘fucked up’ is basically, shit support. How is it? It’s speaking what I believe is the truth. He’s not a right wing back. He didn’t fuck up so that’s great. But he also didn’t do anything bar get skinned a few times. Which again is fine. He’s not a defender.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 22:41:28 GMT
I don’t believe in xg so that’s cool. That’s fine. After this conversation I’ve had with you I’d bet you still believe in Santa though. Whether you believe in xG or not it’s pretty evident that he doesn’t fuck up easy chances and he scores chances that he wouldn’t be expected to. Which again is credit to him. Just goes to show that an early impression sticks and no matter how much someone improves it won’t changed peoples minds He does fuck them up. He scores the more difficult chances where he doesn’t have to think.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 14, 2022 22:49:39 GMT
I think the Brownie Situation (not to be confused with the Bonnie Situation - don't want to get VincentVega all wound up) is part of the "square pegs in round holes" that AN has stated he sees himself forced to do, given the selectable personnel currently available. Playing him out of position like this is actually removing him from that mix where he could contribute goals and I agree that he is not a defender. I think he did fine, but this is clearly not his best position. Credit to the player though, he's giving all he's got and I think AN sees/appreciates his effort.
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Post by UsAndThem on Sept 14, 2022 22:52:25 GMT
That’s fine. After this conversation I’ve had with you I’d bet you still believe in Santa though. Whether you believe in xG or not it’s pretty evident that he doesn’t fuck up easy chances and he scores chances that he wouldn’t be expected to. Which again is credit to him. Just goes to show that an early impression sticks and no matter how much someone improves it won’t changed peoples minds He does fuck them up. He scores the more difficult chances where he doesn’t have to think. I’m not sure where you’re going with this. Surely you’re thinking more about a difficult chance where you basically make the goal yourself (using your ability) I’d understand where you’re coming from if all his goals were scuffs, deflections or penalties but they’re not. To score the goals he has done takes ability. I’d argue more natural ability if he doesn’t have to think about it as is you’re opinion. Unless you’re saying every single one of them was a fluke and that his natural level is fucking up easy chances
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 22:54:43 GMT
He does fuck them up. He scores the more difficult chances where he doesn’t have to think. I’m not sure where you’re going with this. Surely you’re thinking more about a difficult chance where you basically make the goal yourself (using your ability) I’d understand where you’re coming from if all his goals were scuffs, deflections or penalties but they’re not. To score the goals he has done takes ability. I’d argue more natural ability if he doesn’t have to think about it as is you’re opinion. Unless you’re saying every single one of them was a fluke and that his natural level is fucking up easy chances Im not saying they’re flukes. But when you have time to think and fuck stuff up which he does, I think it shows it’s not natural. Campbell you expect to score when he’s one on one and has loads of time. I’d expect Brown to whack it at the keeper as hard as he can.
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Post by UsAndThem on Sept 14, 2022 23:01:20 GMT
I’m not sure where you’re going with this. Surely you’re thinking more about a difficult chance where you basically make the goal yourself (using your ability) I’d understand where you’re coming from if all his goals were scuffs, deflections or penalties but they’re not. To score the goals he has done takes ability. I’d argue more natural ability if he doesn’t have to think about it as is you’re opinion. Unless you’re saying every single one of them was a fluke and that his natural level is fucking up easy chances Im not saying they’re flukes. But when you have time to think and fuck stuff up which he does, I think it shows it’s not natural. Campbell you expect to score when he’s one on one and has loads of time. I’d expect Brown to whack it at the keeper as hard as he can. I’d probably agree with you that Campbell is more of a natural finisher than Brown. But my original point was that you don’t score the goals Brown does without having ability and by just ‘running about’. He’s got more technical ability than he is given credit for. If it’s not fluke and if he’s not a good footballer, how did the score the goals he did last season? Why hasn’t any other striker this season scored apart from Brown? like I said before, he’s not ronaldo but he’s a decent player, committed, hungry and despite what people on here say, can actually play football
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 23:04:25 GMT
Im not saying they’re flukes. But when you have time to think and fuck stuff up which he does, I think it shows it’s not natural. Campbell you expect to score when he’s one on one and has loads of time. I’d expect Brown to whack it at the keeper as hard as he can. I’d probably agree with you that Campbell is more of a natural finisher than Brown. But my original point was that you don’t score the goals Brown does without having ability and by just ‘running about’. He’s got more technical ability than he is given credit for. If it’s not fluke and if he’s not a good footballer, how did the score the goals he did last season? Why hasn’t any other striker this season scored apart from Brown? like I said before, he’s not ronaldo but he’s a decent player, committed, hungry and despite what people on here say, can actually play football Campbell has. He’s committed and hard working for sure.
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Post by UsAndThem on Sept 14, 2022 23:11:55 GMT
I’d probably agree with you that Campbell is more of a natural finisher than Brown. But my original point was that you don’t score the goals Brown does without having ability and by just ‘running about’. He’s got more technical ability than he is given credit for. If it’s not fluke and if he’s not a good footballer, how did the score the goals he did last season? Why hasn’t any other striker this season scored apart from Brown? like I said before, he’s not ronaldo but he’s a decent player, committed, hungry and despite what people on here say, can actually play football Campbell has. He’s committed and hard working for sure. And like I say, you’re choosy with what you reply to. Still no admission that Brown can actually play football and has ability. Put it this way. Out of Brown, Campbell, Delap and Gayle I can guarantee that Brown will be the first name on the team sheet out of the 4.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 14, 2022 23:24:28 GMT
Again, of course we all want to see better players and we can still improve, but last night was a good performance and I think the players deserve credit for that. It was but Brown did nothing which was fine as it meant he didn’t fuck up defensively. And it’s the most I expect from him there. He didn’t play well though. He didn’t have to. Thankfully. You’re not paying attention. I recall him hustling back to tackle and concede a corner on Hull’s left side. He conceded a second corner defending the far post with header on the other side. They were critical defensive plays that could have otherwise resulted in chances and possibly goals for Hull. if you’re going to make a point get your facts straight first. Otherwise, you’ll lose credibility and be accused of seeing only what you want to see rather than what actually happened. “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not to their own version of the facts” Edit: I just checked the extended highlights the first one occurred when he challenged for the ball after Bursik’s excellent save preventing a Hull player from winning the ball that actually went out for a goal kick.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 14, 2022 23:48:59 GMT
I’d probably agree with you that Campbell is more of a natural finisher than Brown. But my original point was that you don’t score the goals Brown does without having ability and by just ‘running about’. He’s got more technical ability than he is given credit for. If it’s not fluke and if he’s not a good footballer, how did the score the goals he did last season? Why hasn’t any other striker this season scored apart from Brown? like I said before, he’s not ronaldo but he’s a decent player, committed, hungry and despite what people on here say, can actually play football Campbell has. He’s committed and hard working for sure. You’re right on that one. Campbell scored an equalizer in added time after coming on as a sub against Swansea.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 15, 2022 0:06:19 GMT
Campbell has. He’s committed and hard working for sure. And like I say, you’re choosy with what you reply to. Still no admission that Brown can actually play football and has ability. Put it this way. Out of Brown, Campbell, Delap and Gayle I can guarantee that Brown will be the first name on the team sheet out of the 4. Whether that’s true or not, and it might be - you can very much see why Brown is a “manager’s player” - you’d have to be wilfully blind not to see that Brown sticks out like a red raw thumb in that list in terms of technical footballing ability.
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Post by UsAndThem on Sept 15, 2022 0:18:16 GMT
And like I say, you’re choosy with what you reply to. Still no admission that Brown can actually play football and has ability. Put it this way. Out of Brown, Campbell, Delap and Gayle I can guarantee that Brown will be the first name on the team sheet out of the 4. Whether that’s true or not, and it might be - you can very much see why Brown is a “manager’s player” - you’d have to be wilfully blind not to see that Brown sticks out like a red raw thumb in that list in terms of technical footballing ability. I’d agree more than ever that he’s a “managers player” based on what AN has said so far in what he wants from his players. 100% commitment and to leave everything on the pitch. But my point is that there is more to his game than that. He has got technical ability. More than he’s given credit for. And I disagree that he sticks out like a red raw saw thumb in terms of technical ability. Based on what we have seen so far none of the other 3 have shown a footballing master class. I made the point on a previous post that brown made a lot of his own goals out of nothing last season. A few good finishes from tight angles across the keeper and also being in the right place at the right time and/or making an intelligent run.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 15, 2022 0:59:38 GMT
Whether that’s true or not, and it might be - you can very much see why Brown is a “manager’s player” - you’d have to be wilfully blind not to see that Brown sticks out like a red raw thumb in that list in terms of technical footballing ability. I’d agree more than ever that he’s a “managers player” based on what AN has said so far in what he wants from his players. 100% commitment and to leave everything on the pitch. But my point is that there is more to his game than that. He has got technical ability. More than he’s given credit for. And I disagree that he sticks out like a red raw saw thumb in terms of technical ability. Based on what we have seen so far none of the other 3 have shown a footballing master class. I made the point on a previous post that brown made a lot of his own goals out of nothing last season. A few good finishes from tight angles across the keeper and also being in the right place at the right time and/or making an intelligent run. Yeah he’s good at that angled low shot from mid range. I like him, he brings a lot to the team, works to improve and really makes the most of what he’s got. I just think it’s obvious he doesn’t possess great technical ability, and the others do, no point dressing it up. I’m pretty sure he’d agree with that himself, he seems to have his head screwed on.
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Sept 15, 2022 8:22:28 GMT
I've just checked our top goal scorer stats....
Browns 13 last season is the highest since fuller in 07/08.
So if he is crap and can't play football, whats the required standard?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 15, 2022 8:37:21 GMT
Worn out of what? He can’t do basic stuff that footballers should be able to do. I take it that you have watched the reel of Brown’s goals from last year which I mentioned in my previous post to you and you have stopped pretending that he has got no footballing ability? I wasn’t debating whether he was a Rwb or not, I was merely opposing your opinion that ‘all he does is run’ and that he’s got no technical ability. If you haven’t seen the reel I have referred to then let me know and I’ll post a link. Watching a highlight reel is no way to judge a player, even a broken watch is correct twice a day. His technical execution is quite unpredictable which makes him a difficult player to link with. The best strike partnerships are said to be almost telepathic they aren’t really they’re predictable one knows where the other is, what movements they’re likely to make and are able to execute to take advantage of that predictability. You just don’t get that with Brown he has the legs to get there but not the ability to predict be predictable or execute with consistency.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 15, 2022 8:42:08 GMT
Campbell has. He’s committed and hard working for sure. And like I say, you’re choosy with what you reply to. Still no admission that Brown can actually play football and has ability. Put it this way. Out of Brown, Campbell, Delap and Gayle I can guarantee that Brown will be the first name on the team sheet out of the 4. Not a chance. When the WB’s are fit he starts on the bench.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2022 8:43:27 GMT
Campbell has. He’s committed and hard working for sure. And like I say, you’re choosy with what you reply to. Still no admission that Brown can actually play football and has ability. Put it this way. Out of Brown, Campbell, Delap and Gayle I can guarantee that Brown will be the first name on the team sheet out of the 4. Because I don’t think he has. Why would I say he has if I think he’s useless? He’s easily the worst of the 4 and shouldn’t be.
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