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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Aug 8, 2022 13:09:32 GMT
I was really disappointed by Smallbone. Taylor is a great prospect and looked solid in this stupid 3cb system he's forced to play in Smallbone was excellent. Glad you thought he wasn't as it's all the validation i require. Hopefully you'll manage to "Goold" him for the whole season. Looked a bit lightweight first 10 mins but after that he was involved in everything. Always around the ball, seemed to be a magnet for deflections etc just by being in a decent position, picking up loose balls. Tried to play everything quickly, loads of good little lay offs, round the corner passes etc, really kept us ticking instead of the usual getting bogged down as we enter the final third. Literally no idea what anyone could have seen they would be disappointed with from the lad. How he stands up against better opposition time will tell, but he was great on Saturday. A big improvement on a Powell median performance, which is what you're getting 7/10 of the games he's not crocked.
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Post by LphPotter on Aug 8, 2022 14:08:06 GMT
A couple of points that have been raised post Blackpool. Ratings generally relate how much you've helped the team to do well, but that's position & role specific. It's easier to "score" points as a forward compared to a defensive mid. So you adjust for position. Average ratings for Championship strikers is 6.6, for attacking mids it's 6.4 and for central defenders it's 6.2. WS got a rating of 7.12 on Saturday, corrected for position, that's 1.5 standard deviations above average.(very good). The whole left side functioned well as a unit. Wilmot pushed into the opposition half more than the right side did, he led the team in adding value with non chance making progressive passes. (Rating 2.8 standard deviations above average, also very good). WS sat between the lines, creating space and an outlet/target. Tymon turned Wilmot/Smallbone's progressions into high value/high volume chances. Laurent slide across to provide defensive assistance & more defensive bodies when needed. (He had a low raw rating of 6.6, but it's difficult to accrue merits as a defensive mid and he too scored 1.5 standard deviations above average for his position....very good). And Jacob Brown turned 0.5 xG into 0.8 on target xG (clinical) and created 0.4 expected assists. ( 2.4 SD above average, beginning to look like we played quite well). The right side didn't function as well offensively, but was a solid defensive unit. Flint played predominately on the right of centre, (presumably to help out Taylor) only occasionally stepping into the left side. Taylor wasn't as advanced as Wilmot & his passing wasn't as valuable. Baker didn't get any progressive runs or passes going and sat in front of Taylor. Gayle dropped into Blackpool's left side to press their deep ball carriers. Aside from a potentially unlucky ricochet in the Stoke box at 0-0, it was a controlled performance. Stoke "won" the xG battle 2.31-0.91 What was the xg of the header they missed about 4 yards out dead centre? 0.80 on FotMob
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 14:19:13 GMT
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Post by tachyon on Aug 8, 2022 16:53:14 GMT
What was the xg of the header they missed about 4 yards out dead centre? 0.52 xG. Volleyed, head high cross, with unmarked player central, a couple of yards out & close enough to get a head on to it to register a scoring chance. Very slightly more than half of those chances are scored, the rest fly wide & off target. Two other data companies who run xG for the Championship got 0.44 xG and 0.61 xG. Fotmob's 0.8 xG looks the outlier.
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Post by lordb on Aug 8, 2022 16:54:52 GMT
the one that came about due to a completely fluky ricochet? why do you ask? can't defend daft deflections like that, it was their only chance which literally came about due to luck Just interested tbh. Cos it looked like a sitter. It was a deffo a sitter
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Post by gawa on Aug 8, 2022 16:56:43 GMT
Very in depth analysis. Well worth a read.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 8, 2022 17:07:47 GMT
Very in depth analysis. Well worth a read. "it was notable that of the 43 passes he attempted in the game, 30 of them were one-touch." I wonder what a similar analysis of Clucas would look like.
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Post by stoke1863 on Aug 8, 2022 17:24:35 GMT
That’s a brilliant write up. The number of 1st time passes will be such a big factor in moving teams around (as well as his ability to move between the lines). And when you look back at the horrid end to last season, our inability to break down teams of similar stature to Blackpool was a huge part of why it was so grim. Hopefully, Billy Bones will be the skeleton key to our success and their defences.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 17:25:15 GMT
Very in depth analysis. Well worth a read. Really is a great analysis of his game Will be at Scotland v ROI. Be great if he's involved
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Post by lordb on Aug 8, 2022 17:48:02 GMT
That’s a brilliant write up. The number of 1st time passes will be such a big factor in moving teams around (as well as his ability to move between the lines). And when you look back at the horrid end to last season, our inability to break down teams of similar stature to Blackpool was a huge part of why it was so grim. Hopefully, Billy Bones will be the skeleton key to our success and their defences. His first time passing really stood out Quality
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 8, 2022 19:12:02 GMT
Very in depth analysis. Well worth a read. "it was notable that of the 43 passes he attempted in the game, 30 of them were one-touch." I wonder what a similar analysis of Clucas would look like. "It was notable that of the 10 passes he attempted in his sub appearance, all of them were backwards"
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 9, 2022 14:15:43 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 9, 2022 16:33:33 GMT
I was really disappointed by Smallbone. Taylor is a great prospect and looked solid in this stupid 3cb system he's forced to play in Smallbone was excellent. Glad you thought he wasn't as it's all the validation i require. Hopefully you'll manage to "Goold" him for the whole season. Looked a bit lightweight first 10 mins but after that he was involved in everything. Always around the ball, seemed to be a magnet for deflections etc just by being in a decent position, picking up loose balls. Tried to play everything quickly, loads of good little lay offs, round the corner passes etc, really kept us ticking instead of the usual getting bogged down as we enter the final third. Literally no idea what anyone could have seen they would be disappointed with from the lad. How he stands up against better opposition time will tell, but he was great on Saturday. A big improvement on a Powell median performance, which is what you're getting 7/10 of the games he's not crocked. Powell’s median performance is better than the vast majority of the players in this division. I hope that Smallbone continues to grow, that will allow us to not rush Powell back. However, I can’t see anyone keeping our best player out of the squad when he is fit again.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 9, 2022 16:52:01 GMT
He wasn’t playing well. It happens. I thought he was. He was certainly playing well enough and far better than Ty when he came on. This is a physical league and you have to win the right to showcase your skills Ty’s just not showing a willingness to win his physical battles at the moment. As for Brown I haven’t been a fan but the comedy footballer moments are getting fewer and fewer.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 9, 2022 16:56:12 GMT
We're a lot more balanced with Smallbone in the team and he has to start every game. Taylor is looking a decent defender and starts for me ahead of Wilmot even if we sign a LCB. For me if we sign a LCB he waits until Wilmot deserves to lose his place. He really hasn’t deserved to be dropped and moved around like he has. A natural LCB will do well to play better than Wilmot did in his last game. I’d be pretty annoyed if he’s dropped on a whim again.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 9, 2022 17:00:11 GMT
Smallbone was excellent. Glad you thought he wasn't as it's all the validation i require. Hopefully you'll manage to "Goold" him for the whole season. Looked a bit lightweight first 10 mins but after that he was involved in everything. Always around the ball, seemed to be a magnet for deflections etc just by being in a decent position, picking up loose balls. Tried to play everything quickly, loads of good little lay offs, round the corner passes etc, really kept us ticking instead of the usual getting bogged down as we enter the final third. Literally no idea what anyone could have seen they would be disappointed with from the lad. How he stands up against better opposition time will tell, but he was great on Saturday. A big improvement on a Powell median performance, which is what you're getting 7/10 of the games he's not crocked. Powell’s median performance is better than the vast majority of the players in this division. I hope that Smallbone continues to grow, that will allow us to not rush Powell back. However, I can’t see anyone keeping our best player out of the squad when he is fit again. Don’t forget we’ve still not signed a lead the line forward so Powell is still the best we have at doing the job.
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Post by iamstokie on Aug 9, 2022 17:03:32 GMT
We're a lot more balanced with Smallbone in the team and he has to start every game. Taylor is looking a decent defender and starts for me ahead of Wilmot even if we sign a LCB. For me if we sign a LCB he waits until Wilmot deserves to lose his place. He really hasn’t deserved to be dropped and moved around like he has. A natural LCB will do well to play better than Wilmot did in his last game. I’d be pretty annoyed if he’s dropped on a whim again. He’s been ok but nothing more , he does get out of position regular and needs improve his passing , id much prefer on the right of a 3 myself
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 9, 2022 17:13:03 GMT
For me if we sign a LCB he waits until Wilmot deserves to lose his place. He really hasn’t deserved to be dropped and moved around like he has. A natural LCB will do well to play better than Wilmot did in his last game. I’d be pretty annoyed if he’s dropped on a whim again. He’s been ok but nothing more , he does get out of position regular and needs improve his passing , id much prefer on the right of a 3 myself Being Left or Right CB hasn’t made a scrap of difference to his positioning or his passing. Sorry but seeing anything else is seeing what the manager tells you to see. He’s very ambitious in his play which is what you should want from both your wide CB’s they will get caught out of position occasionally and won’t always use the ball well. Wilmot used the ball better than Taylor who did well also and it would be hugely unfair for him to lose his place also. Both better performances than Flint who’s had one dogshit and one just ok performance so far.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 9, 2022 17:15:39 GMT
Powell’s median performance is better than the vast majority of the players in this division. I hope that Smallbone continues to grow, that will allow us to not rush Powell back. However, I can’t see anyone keeping our best player out of the squad when he is fit again. Don’t forget we’ve still not signed a lead the line forward so Powell is still the best we have at doing the job. Oh that would suck. Have one of the best 10s in the division and play him as a striker. Unless we sign a target man, Gayle and Brown should look to develop a partnership and we should just go from there.
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Post by iamstokie on Aug 9, 2022 17:20:30 GMT
He’s been ok but nothing more , he does get out of position regular and needs improve his passing , id much prefer on the right of a 3 myself Being Left or Right CB hasn’t made a scrap of difference to his positioning or his passing. Sorry but seeing anything else is seeing what the manager tells you to see. He’s very ambitious in his play which is what you should want from both your wide CB’s they will get caught out of position occasionally and won’t always use the ball well. Wilmot used the ball better than Taylor who did well also and it would be hugely unfair for him to lose his place also. Both better performances than Flint who’s had one dogshit and one just ok performance so far. Why the fuck would I see what the manager wants me to see 😂😂, he’s a useless git , what I said about Wilmot is the truth , I like him as a player but he can and needs to improve a bit
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 9, 2022 17:24:47 GMT
Being Left or Right CB hasn’t made a scrap of difference to his positioning or his passing. Sorry but seeing anything else is seeing what the manager tells you to see. He’s very ambitious in his play which is what you should want from both your wide CB’s they will get caught out of position occasionally and won’t always use the ball well. Wilmot used the ball better than Taylor who did well also and it would be hugely unfair for him to lose his place also. Both better performances than Flint who’s had one dogshit and one just ok performance so far. Why the fuck would I see what the manager wants me to see 😂😂, he’s a useless git , what I said about Wilmot is the truth , I like him as a player but he can and needs to improve a bit He was very good Saturday and is usually very reliable and has been messed about something rotten. Easily better performances for Stoke than THB but had his place robbed by him and not on merit.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Aug 17, 2022 21:16:18 GMT
Smallbone was excellent. Glad you thought he wasn't as it's all the validation i require. Hopefully you'll manage to "Goold" him for the whole season. Looked a bit lightweight first 10 mins but after that he was involved in everything. Always around the ball, seemed to be a magnet for deflections etc just by being in a decent position, picking up loose balls. Tried to play everything quickly, loads of good little lay offs, round the corner passes etc, really kept us ticking instead of the usual getting bogged down as we enter the final third. Literally no idea what anyone could have seen they would be disappointed with from the lad. How he stands up against better opposition time will tell, but he was great on Saturday. A big improvement on a Powell median performance, which is what you're getting 7/10 of the games he's not crocked. Powell’s median performance is better than the vast majority of the players in this division. I hope that Smallbone continues to grow, that will allow us to not rush Powell back. However, I can’t see anyone keeping our best player out of the squad when he is fit again. Maybe not, but I’ve said it before and I’ll continue to say it, if Nick Powell is your best player you’re not getting out of this division in a million years. He’s not fit enough often enough and he’s not good enough often enough. In a couple of weeks time that point may well be moot as we could find ourselves in a relegation battle and an 80% fit Powell has to play.
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