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Post by gawa on Aug 8, 2022 1:12:37 GMT
This made me chuckle
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2022 5:25:51 GMT
This made me chuckle The stats back it up I love how stats are king on here except when they go against the majority 😂 Attention seeking things!!
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Post by themistocles on Aug 8, 2022 6:21:11 GMT
This made me chuckle It's hilarious how Bayern triggers all these people. He/she doesn't give a shite 😂
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 8, 2022 6:24:32 GMT
This made me chuckle It's hilarious how Bayern triggers all these people. He/she doesn't give a shite 😂 I think it’s just unreasonable that people “care” enough to insult others. There’s a few on here whose opinion I regularly disagree with. It doesn’t mean that they should be ridiculed etc or that their opinion is invalid to me just because I don’t like it. Sometimes disagreements can get agitated, but for the most part people should try and remain civil.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 6:35:40 GMT
It's hilarious how Bayern triggers all these people. He/she doesn't give a shite 😂 I think it’s just unreasonable that people “care” enough to insult others. There’s a few on here whose opinion I regularly disagree with. It doesn’t mean that they should be ridiculed etc or that their opinion is invalid to me just because I don’t like it. Sometimes disagreements can get agitated, but for the most part people should try and remain civil. I quite like Bayern even though I rarely agree with him. Sticks to his beliefs although the Smallbone one was particularly odd.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2022 7:02:25 GMT
I think it’s just unreasonable that people “care” enough to insult others. There’s a few on here whose opinion I regularly disagree with. It doesn’t mean that they should be ridiculed etc or that their opinion is invalid to me just because I don’t like it. Sometimes disagreements can get agitated, but for the most part people should try and remain civil. I quite like Bayern even though I rarely agree with him. Sticks to his beliefs although the Smallbone one was particularly odd. Why is it? The stats agree with me. And it’s not like I think he played horrendously. But there was 10 better players for us on the day I thought. The stats only think 8. Bastard things!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 7:09:02 GMT
I quite like Bayern even though I rarely agree with him. Sticks to his beliefs although the Smallbone one was particularly odd. Why is it? The stats agree with me. And it’s not like I think he played horrendously. But there was 10 better players for us on the day I thought. The stats only think 8. Bastard things! Would you call Vertonghen the best Premier League defender ever? The stats say he is
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 8, 2022 7:22:16 GMT
It was dangerous every time he got the ball, and most of Blackpool's dangerous attacks came from Wilmot misplacing passes or being too easy to get past. Their winger had a field day against Wilmot. I really can't understand why people thought he played that well, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. In this case I really don't share your opinion though. Wilmot doesn't always choose the safe pass that's for sure but if you don't try the ambitious pass you create less. As long as it's not in our box I'm not worried about him giving away a few passes when trying to create something with an ambitious pass. I think he way too often is sloppy. I had hopes for him after his 2-3 first games for us, but I don't trust him any longer.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 8, 2022 7:26:50 GMT
I quite like Bayern even though I rarely agree with him. Sticks to his beliefs although the Smallbone one was particularly odd. Why is it? The stats agree with me. And it’s not like I think he played horrendously. But there was 10 better players for us on the day I thought. The stats only think 8. Bastard things! I think Smallbone was OK on the day and showed some promise, but defensively he was crap. I think he will be very valuable to us though. He was far from being MOM in my opinion, and Wilmot was certainly our weakest link. Taylor and Tymon were the stand out performers in my opinion.
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Post by lordb on Aug 8, 2022 7:29:18 GMT
Why is it? The stats agree with me. And it’s not like I think he played horrendously. But there was 10 better players for us on the day I thought. The stats only think 8. Bastard things! I think Smallbone was OK on the day and showed some promise, but defensively he was crap. I think he will be very valuable to us though. He was far from being MOM in my opinion, and Wilmot was certainly our weakest link. Taylor and Tymon were the stand out performers in my opinion. He was playing behind the strikers Can afford him to be useless defensively there if he's going to create
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2022 7:53:26 GMT
Why is it? The stats agree with me. And it’s not like I think he played horrendously. But there was 10 better players for us on the day I thought. The stats only think 8. Bastard things! Would you call Vertonghen the best Premier League defender ever? The stats say he is I think he’s a very good defender who would get into most sides.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 8:09:54 GMT
Would you call Vertonghen the best Premier League defender ever? The stats say he is I think he’s a very good defender who would get into most sides. For sure but far from the best ever.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 8, 2022 8:25:28 GMT
I quite like Bayern even though I rarely agree with him. Sticks to his beliefs although the Smallbone one was particularly odd. Why is it? The stats agree with me. And it’s not like I think he played horrendously. But there was 10 better players for us on the day I thought. The stats only think 8. Bastard things! I’m not having you using stats to back your argument up Bayern, you’ve consistently said they’re bollocks 🙂
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Post by gawa on Aug 8, 2022 8:29:27 GMT
What even are the Smallbone stats. Where they posted up? In his position I expect pass completion to be a bit lower given that he's trying to create goalscoring opportunities and play the riskier balls.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 8, 2022 8:35:56 GMT
Wilmot doesn't always choose the safe pass that's for sure but if you don't try the ambitious pass you create less. As long as it's not in our box I'm not worried about him giving away a few passes when trying to create something with an ambitious pass. I think he way too often is sloppy. I had hopes for him after his 2-3 first games for us, but I don't trust him any longer. I think he gives the ball away too often for sure but usually when trying to get the game moving quickly or make an ambitious pass. His decision making needs to improve but I wouldn't want to knock the confidence to try through passes out of him. He's still a young player and making decisions is something which improves with experience
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 8, 2022 8:55:14 GMT
I think Smallbone was OK on the day and showed some promise, but defensively he was crap. I think he will be very valuable to us though. He was far from being MOM in my opinion, and Wilmot was certainly our weakest link. Taylor and Tymon were the stand out performers in my opinion. He was playing behind the strikers Can afford him to be useless defensively there if he's going to create Not too sure about that, Powell always works much harder than he gets credit for as an example.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 8, 2022 8:56:32 GMT
I think he way too often is sloppy. I had hopes for him after his 2-3 first games for us, but I don't trust him any longer. I think he gives the ball away too often for sure but usually when trying to get the game moving quickly or make an ambitious pass. His decision making needs to improve but I wouldn't want to knock the confidence to try through passes out of him. He's still a young player and making decisions is something which improves with experience I certainly hope you're right!
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Post by lordb on Aug 8, 2022 9:06:46 GMT
He was playing behind the strikers Can afford him to be useless defensively there if he's going to create Not too sure about that, Powell always works much harder than he gets credit for as an example. Fair play to Powell for that none the less that role demands creativity & goals defensive work is a bonus,
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Post by etebojan on Aug 8, 2022 9:36:04 GMT
I think it’s just unreasonable that people “care” enough to insult others. There’s a few on here whose opinion I regularly disagree with. It doesn’t mean that they should be ridiculed etc or that their opinion is invalid to me just because I don’t like it. Sometimes disagreements can get agitated, but for the most part people should try and remain civil. I quite like Bayern even though I rarely agree with him. Sticks to his beliefs although the Smallbone one was particularly odd. Bayern has only ever been incredibly polite and friendly to me on these forums, seems like a decent chap. This is a public football forum, people have different opinions, no need for personal insults.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2022 9:56:00 GMT
Why is it? The stats agree with me. And it’s not like I think he played horrendously. But there was 10 better players for us on the day I thought. The stats only think 8. Bastard things! I’m not having you using stats to back your argument up Bayern, you’ve consistently said they’re bollocks 🙂 I know that's why I put a *
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Post by tachyon on Aug 8, 2022 10:27:35 GMT
A couple of points that have been raised post Blackpool.
Ratings generally relate how much you've helped the team to do well, but that's position & role specific.
It's easier to "score" points as a forward compared to a defensive mid.
So you adjust for position.
Average ratings for Championship strikers is 6.6, for attacking mids it's 6.4 and for central defenders it's 6.2.
WS got a rating of 7.12 on Saturday, corrected for position, that's 1.5 standard deviations above average.(very good).
The whole left side functioned well as a unit.
Wilmot pushed into the opposition half more than the right side did, he led the team in adding value with non chance making progressive passes. (Rating 2.8 standard deviations above average, also very good).
WS sat between the lines, creating space and an outlet/target.
Tymon turned Wilmot/Smallbone's progressions into high value/high volume chances.
Laurent slide across to provide defensive assistance & more defensive bodies when needed. (He had a low raw rating of 6.6, but it's difficult to accrue merits as a defensive mid and he too scored 1.5 standard deviations above average for his position....very good).
And Jacob Brown turned 0.5 xG into 0.8 on target xG (clinical) and created 0.4 expected assists. (2.4 SD above average, beginning to look like we played quite well).
The right side didn't function as well offensively, but was a solid defensive unit.
Flint played predominately on the right of centre, (presumably to help out Taylor) only occasionally stepping into the left side.
Taylor wasn't as advanced as Wilmot & his passing wasn't as valuable.
Baker didn't get any progressive runs or passes going and sat in front of Taylor.
Gayle dropped into Blackpool's left side to press their deep ball carriers.
Aside from a potentially unlucky ricochet in the Stoke box at 0-0, it was a controlled performance.
Stoke "won" the xG battle 2.31-0.91
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2022 11:00:28 GMT
A couple of points that have been raised post Blackpool. Ratings generally relate how much you've helped the team to do well, but that's position & role specific. It's easier to "score" points as a forward compared to a defensive mid. So you adjust for position. Average ratings for Championship strikers is 6.6, for attacking mids it's 6.4 and for central defenders it's 6.2. WS got a rating of 7.12 on Saturday, corrected for position, that's 1.5 standard deviations above average.(very good). The whole left side functioned well as a unit. Wilmot pushed into the opposition half more than the right side did, he led the team in adding value with non chance making progressive passes. (Rating 2.8 standard deviations above average, also very good). WS sat between the lines, creating space and an outlet/target. Tymon turned Wilmot/Smallbone's progressions into high value/high volume chances. Laurent slide across to provide defensive assistance & more defensive bodies when needed. (He had a low raw rating of 6.6, but it's difficult to accrue merits as a defensive mid and he too scored 1.5 standard deviations above average for his position....very good). And Jacob Brown turned 0.5 xG into 0.8 on target xG (clinical) and created 0.4 expected assists. ( 2.4 SD above average, beginning to look like we played quite well). The right side didn't function as well offensively, but was a solid defensive unit. Flint played predominately on the right of centre, (presumably to help out Taylor) only occasionally stepping into the left side. Taylor wasn't as advanced as Wilmot & his passing wasn't as valuable. Baker didn't get any progressive runs or passes going and sat in front of Taylor. Gayle dropped into Blackpool's left side to press their deep ball carriers. Aside from a potentially unlucky ricochet in the Stoke box at 0-0, it was a controlled performance. Stoke "won" the xG battle 2.31-0.91 What was the xg of the header they missed about 4 yards out dead centre?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 8, 2022 11:14:07 GMT
A couple of points that have been raised post Blackpool. Ratings generally relate how much you've helped the team to do well, but that's position & role specific. It's easier to "score" points as a forward compared to a defensive mid. So you adjust for position. Average ratings for Championship strikers is 6.6, for attacking mids it's 6.4 and for central defenders it's 6.2. WS got a rating of 7.12 on Saturday, corrected for position, that's 1.5 standard deviations above average.(very good). The whole left side functioned well as a unit. Wilmot pushed into the opposition half more than the right side did, he led the team in adding value with non chance making progressive passes. (Rating 2.8 standard deviations above average, also very good). WS sat between the lines, creating space and an outlet/target. Tymon turned Wilmot/Smallbone's progressions into high value/high volume chances. Laurent slide across to provide defensive assistance & more defensive bodies when needed. (He had a low raw rating of 6.6, but it's difficult to accrue merits as a defensive mid and he too scored 1.5 standard deviations above average for his position....very good). And Jacob Brown turned 0.5 xG into 0.8 on target xG (clinical) and created 0.4 expected assists. ( 2.4 SD above average, beginning to look like we played quite well). The right side didn't function as well offensively, but was a solid defensive unit. Flint played predominately on the right of centre, (presumably to help out Taylor) only occasionally stepping into the left side. Taylor wasn't as advanced as Wilmot & his passing wasn't as valuable. Baker didn't get any progressive runs or passes going and sat in front of Taylor. Gayle dropped into Blackpool's left side to press their deep ball carriers. Aside from a potentially unlucky ricochet in the Stoke box at 0-0, it was a controlled performance. Stoke "won" the xG battle 2.31-0.91 What was the xg of the header they missed about 4 yards out dead centre? I have no recollection of that, what minute? (roughly)
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Post by lordb on Aug 8, 2022 11:17:44 GMT
A couple of points that have been raised post Blackpool. Ratings generally relate how much you've helped the team to do well, but that's position & role specific. It's easier to "score" points as a forward compared to a defensive mid. So you adjust for position. Average ratings for Championship strikers is 6.6, for attacking mids it's 6.4 and for central defenders it's 6.2. WS got a rating of 7.12 on Saturday, corrected for position, that's 1.5 standard deviations above average.(very good). The whole left side functioned well as a unit. Wilmot pushed into the opposition half more than the right side did, he led the team in adding value with non chance making progressive passes. (Rating 2.8 standard deviations above average, also very good). WS sat between the lines, creating space and an outlet/target. Tymon turned Wilmot/Smallbone's progressions into high value/high volume chances. Laurent slide across to provide defensive assistance & more defensive bodies when needed. (He had a low raw rating of 6.6, but it's difficult to accrue merits as a defensive mid and he too scored 1.5 standard deviations above average for his position....very good). And Jacob Brown turned 0.5 xG into 0.8 on target xG (clinical) and created 0.4 expected assists. ( 2.4 SD above average, beginning to look like we played quite well). The right side didn't function as well offensively, but was a solid defensive unit. Flint played predominately on the right of centre, (presumably to help out Taylor) only occasionally stepping into the left side. Taylor wasn't as advanced as Wilmot & his passing wasn't as valuable. Baker didn't get any progressive runs or passes going and sat in front of Taylor. Gayle dropped into Blackpool's left side to press their deep ball carriers. Aside from a potentially unlucky ricochet in the Stoke box at 0-0, it was a controlled performance. Stoke "won" the xG battle 2.31-0.91 What was the xg of the header they missed about 4 yards out dead centre? the one that came about due to a completely fluky ricochet? why do you ask? can't defend daft deflections like that, it was their only chance which literally came about due to luck
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 8, 2022 11:22:07 GMT
This one I think - 52 seconds in
Edit: that second goal really is a belter isn't it. First one decent as well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2022 11:39:31 GMT
What was the xg of the header they missed about 4 yards out dead centre? the one that came about due to a completely fluky ricochet? why do you ask? can't defend daft deflections like that, it was their only chance which literally came about due to luck Just interested tbh. Cos it looked like a sitter.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2022 11:40:18 GMT
What was the xg of the header they missed about 4 yards out dead centre? I have no recollection of that, what minute? (roughly) It was 5ish minute before we score maybe 😂 Defo before we scored.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 8, 2022 11:53:03 GMT
the one that came about due to a completely fluky ricochet? why do you ask? can't defend daft deflections like that, it was their only chance which literally came about due to luck Just interested tbh. Cos it looked like a sitter. It came at him at severe pace but he is on his own in the 6 yard box
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 8, 2022 11:53:30 GMT
I have no recollection of that, what minute? (roughly) It was 5ish minute before we score maybe 😂 Defo before we scored. Ah yeah that one where it ricocheted into his path, the full back blasted it across the face he gave the striker little chance in fairness......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2022 11:56:07 GMT
It was 5ish minute before we score maybe 😂 Defo before we scored. Ah yeah that one where it ricocheted into his path, the full back blasted it across the face he gave the striker little chance in fairness...... Still looked easier to score than miss though from where he was and with the pressure on him ie no fucker even close.
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