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Post by farnborostokie63 on Mar 17, 2022 17:36:04 GMT
I you can find an alternative boycott P&O
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Post by richie22 on Mar 17, 2022 18:08:19 GMT
bloody scousers get everywhere
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Post by salopstick on Mar 17, 2022 18:37:20 GMT
FFS every time I book france somthing goes wrong
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 17, 2022 18:47:09 GMT
Looks like this could backfire on them spectacularly. That would be fantastic, one things for certain that P&O is on my list of companies I’ll not spend one cent with……
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2022 19:34:04 GMT
How is it even legal to just up and sack 800 staff and then replace them with cheap foreign labour? Surely that falls under unfair & constructive dismissal. The Tories of course!
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Post by ashleyscfc on Mar 17, 2022 19:56:37 GMT
So it's essentially fire and rehire tactics? Could have sworn that Johnson stated in Parliament he was putting and end to this practice. He says a lot of things… So far all they’ve done was condemn how it was done, not what they did. This is exactly what people voted to stop with brexit, if these are the employment laws in this country what a weak shambles we’ve allowed to become. British workers sacked for doing nothing wrong to be replaced with Lithuanian and Philippine workers. It’s like something from the Victorian era. Any island country needs to have a functioning British maritime organisation for national security and national interest (shipping/trade) That’s overlooking the fact a key national industry is yet again foreign owned. And ask yourself this, why isn’t this setup in America? Because the Americans kicked them out, and stopped take overs based on security concerns basically having the UAE state on their doorstep. But not us, everything is for sale. We’ve become a joke and the clowns in government are ideologically aligned to allow it to continue
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 17, 2022 19:59:09 GMT
How is it even legal to just up and sack 800 staff and then replace them with cheap foreign labour? Surely that falls under unfair & constructive dismissal. Im pretty sure they would be under either an ITF or ILO maritime contract so would covered through the Maritime Labour Convention codes. I worked in this industry for years and its a proper minefield. ( I wasnt a pot washer before anyone asks ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) ) Yea I remember you. Weren’t you a pot washer?🤔 Joking aside here, it’s absolutely disgraceful. What is going on?
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Post by generationex on Mar 17, 2022 20:01:13 GMT
Bunch of Wankers. P&O and the Tories that allow it.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Mar 17, 2022 20:18:05 GMT
So they're making 800 redundant....
Lets say the average wage (incl NI and Pension) is £30k p.a. (maybe over-estimated).
That's £24m p.a. saved, but then they've got to reinvest most of that, in paying the replacement agency staff. So, a minimal cost reduction in relative terms.
All that against the backdrop of a business losing £100m p.a. - not to mention the appalling PR this will generate, impacting income further, no doubt.
They're just staving off the inevitable, surely? This could be a blessing in disguise for those being made redundant. A generous severance now, or wait two years until they finally pull the plug on P&O Ferries?
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Post by stokefc on Mar 17, 2022 20:47:02 GMT
I don't think there is a port in Britain that is British owned Thatcher privatised them in the 80s i think the last one was sold in 2011
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 17, 2022 20:49:43 GMT
I understand none of the French staff have been sacked?
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Post by stokefc on Mar 17, 2022 20:50:56 GMT
"Associated British Ports". Hull/Immingham etc. Owned mostly by a Canadian Pension Fund and Kuwait
"Peel Ports". Liverpool/Manchester/Glasgow. No-one really knows-342 different companies known to be involved in the structure.
"P&O/DP World "Thames Gateway/Southampton Freeport Area-Dubai-owned
"HPH" London Thamesport/Felixstowe/Harwich. Singapore/Chinese owned, via a British Virgin Isles Company.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 17, 2022 21:04:17 GMT
Looks like this could backfire on them spectacularly. That would be fantastic, one things for certain that P&O is on my list of companies I’ll not spend one cent with…… A “Ratner” moment for them possibly. Hopefully. Cunts.
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Post by shakermaker on Mar 17, 2022 23:12:14 GMT
You can claim unfair dismissal if someone is employed in your position after redundancy, not sure they will want 1500 unfair dismissal cases going on? I would've thought so yes. Presumably, the role is re-graded or altered in some way so that it's not a simple fire and re-hire job, but who knows what is the actual story. It's plain, easy and simple. You make 'cabin crew' redundant & change to the name to 'vessel operative'. The position of 'cabin crew' has been made redundant. Seen it done many times and it will continue in employment & businesses until the law changes. You only have to change the name and tweak their roles to achieve redundancies.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 18, 2022 6:32:21 GMT
I would've thought so yes. Presumably, the role is re-graded or altered in some way so that it's not a simple fire and re-hire job, but who knows what is the actual story. It's plain, easy and simple. You make 'cabin crew' redundant & change to the name to 'vessel operative'. The position of 'cabin crew' has been made redundant. Seen it done many times and it will continue in employment & businesses until the law changes. You only have to change the name and tweak their roles to achieve redundancies. This is an important point. There are so many ways companies can achieve their “aims” and keep within the law. “Unfair” dismissal is something of a misnomer, fairness isn’t the determining factor it’s legality. As long as companies are competent they can pretty much do anything. In this case it appears P&O have failed to follow the laws on consultation so they can be taken to court and forced to pay compensation. But, I doubt they’ll care too much. What they may well care about is the public abandoning them (albeit a few special offers later in the year will probably fix that) and any Government sanctions (which I wouldn’t hold my breath for!). It would be interesting to understand, meaning looking beyond what looks like an act of staggering incompetence by P&O, what is behind their action yesterday. Is it the company itself is knackered, is their some fundamental problem with the workforce, is this related to Covid impacts, or just a one off act of stupidity. Most importantly, does this have ramifications to other companies. Questions, questions, questions.
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Post by Northy on Mar 18, 2022 7:49:55 GMT
FFS every time I book france somthing goes wrong Glad I've booked Eurotunnel
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 18, 2022 7:55:39 GMT
Another Brexit bonus.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 18, 2022 8:01:17 GMT
The company says it needs to protect against £100m of pandemic losses. Meanwhile they have paid £100m to be title sponsor for 2022 European Golf Tour…
Will our government do anything of substance? Or will they continue backing the 1% at the expense of everyone else?
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Post by salopstick on Mar 18, 2022 8:05:54 GMT
P&O Cruises getting dogs abuse online
Totally separate company despite the name
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 18, 2022 8:07:59 GMT
The company says it needs to protect against £100m of pandemic losses. Meanwhile they have paid £100m to be title sponsor for 2022 European Golf Tour… Will our government do anything of substance? Or will they continue backing the 1% at the expense of everyone else? Big Tory donors, P&O
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 18, 2022 8:11:14 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 18, 2022 8:17:48 GMT
P&O Cruises getting dogs abuse online Totally separate company despite the name I’d be thinking about a name change…….
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 18, 2022 8:23:11 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 18, 2022 8:30:03 GMT
It's odd, isn't it, how many people will convince themselves this is just P&O being cunts, and nothing at all to do with how our own government votes on fire/rehire type legislation or how much its ministers argue for less employee power...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 18, 2022 8:31:00 GMT
P&O Cruises getting dogs abuse online Totally separate company despite the name I’d be thinking about a name change……. Townsend Thoresen perhaps? Oh hang on....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 18, 2022 8:31:49 GMT
It's odd, isn't it, how many people will convince themselves this is just P&O being cunts, and nothing at all to do with how our own government votes on fire/rehire type legislation or how much its ministers argue for less employee power... Indeed it really should be self explanatory. Tough one for the Tories on here to defend.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 18, 2022 8:33:51 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 18, 2022 8:41:53 GMT
It's odd, isn't it, how many people will convince themselves this is just P&O being cunts, and nothing at all to do with how our own government votes on fire/rehire type legislation or how much its ministers argue for less employee power... It’s like Brexit. It is all about deregulation of the basic protections the EU put in place for consumers, employees and the public to stop big businesses doing what they like and making more money for their shareholders. It astonishes me that anyone who isn’t a multi millionaire votes tory when their policies are so blatantly for the fat cats. The response is always “Labour are crap”. Don’t vote labour then, don’t vote at all. Or even better, vote for a party that is pro a proper democratic system that gets rid of first past the post and means that every vote will actually count. But a vote for tory unless you are a millionaire is the height of stupidity. Unless you are on P&O’s side in what has happened.
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Post by sorethumbs on Mar 18, 2022 9:20:16 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 18, 2022 9:28:50 GMT
So why are they taking on staff in the same/similar roles via an agency?
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