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Post by tqstokie on Mar 10, 2022 22:02:45 GMT
Call it a night now Bayern you have started repeating yourself.
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Post by independent on Mar 10, 2022 22:02:51 GMT
I think we will have to disagree on that. My own belief is that their best play is an abberation and it is therefore unwise to expect that from them regularly. Brown and Tymon have improved but should essentially be squad players. Yet, when Brown isn't playing we really miss him, A player of great energy but limited ability. Harwood Bellis is out of his depth and seems to think that he is better than he actually is. Like any other player he can look good if given space and time on the ball. Fletcher has done nothing. Fox has played very little. Vrancic has looked great at times but has contributed very little overall. Wilmott is erratic. Ostergard was poor. Powell has been injured for most of the season. Campbell hasn't come good yet. Sawyer has proven totally ineffective. I could go on but what is the point. I'm not going to change your opinion and you are unlikely to alter mine.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Mar 10, 2022 22:05:59 GMT
Come on it’s a joke poll - so out of a mere 300+ the majority say Mon out.
Think again - take a proper poll of all season card holders - how many is that? One would assume only the Mon out would relate to those wanting him out. Then there’s those who say IN - probably 50% would be undecided.
Someone related the 300+ to a 48% remain on brexit.
On another note the remains would say We are Europeans as oppose to British - where do they stand on Ukraine - European or patriotic for their country
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2022 22:08:51 GMT
I think we will have to disagree on that. My own belief is that their best play is an abberation and it is therefore unwise to expect that from them regularly. Brown and Tymon have improved but should essentially be squad players. Yet, when Brown isn't playing we really miss him, A player of great energy but limited ability. Harwood Bellis is out of his depth and seems to think that he is better than he actually is. Like any other player he can look good if given space and time on the ball. Fletcher has done nothing. Fox has played very little. Vrancic has looked great at times but has contributed very little overall. Wilmott is erratic. Ostergard was poor. Powell has been injured for most of the season. Campbell hasn't come good yet. Sawyer has proven totally ineffective. I could go on but what is the point. I'm not going to change your opinion and you are unlikely to alter mine. We don’t miss Brown in the slightest. I can’t agree with most of that sorry 😂
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Post by independent on Mar 10, 2022 22:21:12 GMT
no need to be sorry. Them are the "FACTS"
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Post by march4 on Mar 10, 2022 22:32:14 GMT
Come on it’s a joke poll - so out of a mere 300+ the majority say Mon out. Think again - take a proper poll of all season card holders - how many is that? One would assume only the Mon out would relate to those wanting him out. Then there’s those who say IN - probably 50% would be undecided. Someone related the 300+ to a 48% remain on brexit. On another note the remains would say We are Europeans as oppose to British - where do they stand on Ukraine - European or patriotic for their country If people don’t vote, it is their right in this country. The final result is decided on a simple majority of those who vote.
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Post by independent on Mar 10, 2022 22:36:03 GMT
How many times did hyaduck vote?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2022 22:40:50 GMT
no need to be sorry. Them are the "FACTS" We have a good team managed appallingly.
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Post by independent on Mar 10, 2022 22:53:07 GMT
I think MON is fooling you into thinking they are a good team. You don't really believe that the man who assembled this "Great" team doesn't know what to do with them and actually prevents these good players from playing well.
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 10, 2022 23:32:02 GMT
Come on it’s a joke poll - so out of a mere 300+ the majority say Mon out. Think again - take a proper poll of all season card holders - how many is that? One would assume only the Mon out would relate to those wanting him out. Then there’s those who say IN - probably 50% would be undecided. Someone related the 300+ to a 48% remain on brexit. On another note the remains would say We are Europeans as oppose to British - where do they stand on Ukraine - European or patriotic for their country Is the last paragraph you've written there a question, or a statement? It lacks a question mark, so it reads like a statement. Either way, it's unclear what you're trying to say. Also most, if not all, Remainers never said they weren't British because they were European, they considered themselves to be both British and also European. Pretty much no doubt what most of the French think too, I would hazard a guess. I'm not entirely sure what any of that has to do with the fans choice of manager either tbh.
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Post by Bagwash on Mar 10, 2022 23:49:32 GMT
no need to be sorry. Them are the "FACTS" We have a good team managed appallingly. The squad we started the season with should have been higher in the table than we are now. I think most of us agree that the players we signed during the last transfer window,on paper at least, improved our squad. Think you might have a point Bayern.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2022 23:49:48 GMT
I think MON is fooling you into thinking they are a good team. You don't really believe that the man who assembled this "Great" team doesn't know what to do with them and actually prevents these good players from playing well. 😂😂😂 How is he doing that?
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Post by independent on Mar 11, 2022 0:23:53 GMT
These players flatter to deceive. Even your favourite Powell. Undoubtedly a talented player who we rely on to create chances for us. Even you have admitted that when he is marked he is unable to perform.He should be able to escape at least several times in a game and create something for us. He also fannies about a lot, inviting tackles. It's no coincidence that he is injured a lot. He seems to revel in showing how clever he is rather than doing any damage. Lacks pace and doesn't dictate the pace of the game or control the midfield for us. Apart from that he is a great player who should be nicknamed "LINO" because he spends so much time on the floor. He has the talent just doesn't apply it even tho' his workrate is good.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2022 0:31:58 GMT
These players flatter to deceive. Even your favourite Powell. Undoubtedly a talented player who we rely on to create chances for us. Even you have admitted that when he is marked he is unable to perform.He should be able to escape at least several times in a game and create something for us. He also fannies about a lot, inviting tackles. It's no coincidence that he is injured a lot. He seems to revel in showing how clever he is rather than doing any damage. Lacks pace and doesn't dictate the pace of the game or control the midfield for us. Apart from that he is a great player who should be nicknamed "LINO" because he spends so much time on the floor. He has the talent just doesn't apply it even tho' his workrate is good. I haven’t commented much on Piwell because it will get me banned. The crap written on here about him in the last two weeks is certifiable.
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Post by independent on Mar 11, 2022 0:39:23 GMT
What exactly did I write that you disagree with?
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Post by Sfance on Mar 11, 2022 0:54:35 GMT
These players flatter to deceive. Even your favourite Powell. Undoubtedly a talented player who we rely on to create chances for us. Even you have admitted that when he is marked he is unable to perform.He should be able to escape at least several times in a game and create something for us. He also fannies about a lot, inviting tackles. It's no coincidence that he is injured a lot. He seems to revel in showing how clever he is rather than doing any damage. Lacks pace and doesn't dictate the pace of the game or control the midfield for us. Apart from that he is a great player who should be nicknamed "LINO" because he spends so much time on the floor. He has the talent just doesn't apply it even tho' his workrate is good. I haven’t commented much on Piwell because it will get me banned. The crap written on here about him in the last two weeks is certifiable. And that's a fact. To go with the other 80 or so facts that Bayern has pointed out today. So many facts, so little time to digest them all. He's a regular fact-machine.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 11, 2022 6:51:42 GMT
These players flatter to deceive. Even your favourite Powell. Undoubtedly a talented player who we rely on to create chances for us. Even you have admitted that when he is marked he is unable to perform.He should be able to escape at least several times in a game and create something for us. He also fannies about a lot, inviting tackles. It's no coincidence that he is injured a lot. He seems to revel in showing how clever he is rather than doing any damage. Lacks pace and doesn't dictate the pace of the game or control the midfield for us. Apart from that he is a great player who should be nicknamed "LINO" because he spends so much time on the floor. He has the talent just doesn't apply it even tho' his workrate is good. I haven’t commented much on Piwell because it will get me banned. The crap written on here about him in the last two weeks is certifiable. Piwell's a lovely part of Wales
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 11, 2022 6:52:56 GMT
These players flatter to deceive. Even your favourite Powell. Undoubtedly a talented player who we rely on to create chances for us. Even you have admitted that when he is marked he is unable to perform.He should be able to escape at least several times in a game and create something for us. He also fannies about a lot, inviting tackles. It's no coincidence that he is injured a lot. He seems to revel in showing how clever he is rather than doing any damage. Lacks pace and doesn't dictate the pace of the game or control the midfield for us. Apart from that he is a great player who should be nicknamed "LINO" because he spends so much time on the floor. He has the talent just doesn't apply it even tho' his workrate is good. Of course he doesn’t ‘control the midfield’, he doesn’t play there.
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Post by poultonpotter on Mar 11, 2022 8:11:15 GMT
Neil Critchley at Blackpool has done a great job since he took over at Blackpool and has got what is essentially a league 1 squad performing to the same level as Stoke. He would probably be interested in joining a bigger club.
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Post by wilcopotter on Mar 11, 2022 8:40:56 GMT
MON - In (still) for now. Given the club was toxic when he got here, he originally kept us up, had to deal with Co- Vid, has had bad luck with injuries ( especially with key players), we never get dicked, cleared out a lot of deadwood and brought in younger players from Academy and other clubs. True, there have been issues with tactics, subs and recruitment has been patchy ( but much worse by previous managers). We’re not going up or down, so I believe he should be given the opportunity to purge the squad at the end of the season, start next season and be truly judged from there.
I just think he needs to stop being too cautious. He can do it and we have seen it, but not enough.
The alternative being we recruit whoever is willing to come here and start crucifying him/her after 10 games when there is no miraculous improvement after 10 games like some experts on here like to do.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 11, 2022 9:52:19 GMT
Neil Critchley at Blackpool has done a great job since he took over at Blackpool and has got what is essentially a league 1 squad performing to the same level as Stoke. He would probably be interested in joining a bigger club. Nathan Jones did similar
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 11, 2022 10:01:01 GMT
Neil Critchley at Blackpool has done a great job since he took over at Blackpool and has got what is essentially a league 1 squad performing to the same level as Stoke. He would probably be interested in joining a bigger club. Nathan Jones did similar It's a tough one isn't it? I really don't think ideally we can just write off every single up and coming young manager with "yeah but Nathan Jones!" Equally with the club's structure being in the dark ages at a time when even certain League 1 sides are moving the times, it's probably still valid to say we're not set up to properly support a promising but inexperienced manager.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 11, 2022 10:04:10 GMT
We need a manager who knows what it takes in this division, a manager that has manged to get his team promoted! A pity Wilder went to Brough as he would have been my preferred choice, but of the candidates free on the market I think Farke looks the best choice. We are now playing with a squad that MON has put together, so I don't think there is an excuse good enough to explain our low position in this league after a good start to the season. To me it looks like MON has run out of ideas, and all the changes in personell and formation haven't made this one bit better. We need a new man in charge in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 10:09:00 GMT
Neil Critchley at Blackpool has done a great job since he took over at Blackpool and has got what is essentially a league 1 squad performing to the same level as Stoke. He would probably be interested in joining a bigger club. The job at Stoke is bigger than Neil Critchley. It's still a real tough gig and is proving to be a real poisoned chalice.
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 11, 2022 10:23:55 GMT
We need a manager who knows what it takes in this division, a manager that has manged to get his team promoted! A pity Wilder went to Brough as he would have been my preferred choice, but of the candidates free on the market I think Farke looks the best choice. We are now playing with a squad that MON has put together, so I don't think there is an excuse good enough to explain our low position in this league after a good start to the season. To me it looks like MON has run out of ideas, and all the changes in personell and formation haven't made this one bit better. We need a new man in charge in my opinion. Does Farke strike you as the kind of one size fits all type manager that these owners need to run the club for them? Lest we forget Farke was in serious trouble at Norwich before he hit a groove, and that was with a proper structure embedded into that club headed up by Stuart Webber. I could foresee something similar here without the groove being found. He's a good coach at this level for sure but only at the right club and not this dysfunctional teenager of a club that we seem to be. The owners need that strong 'daddy' figure running the entire corner shop for them.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 11, 2022 10:32:51 GMT
We need a manager who knows what it takes in this division, a manager that has manged to get his team promoted! A pity Wilder went to Brough as he would have been my preferred choice, but of the candidates free on the market I think Farke looks the best choice. We are now playing with a squad that MON has put together, so I don't think there is an excuse good enough to explain our low position in this league after a good start to the season. To me it looks like MON has run out of ideas, and all the changes in personell and formation haven't made this one bit better. We need a new man in charge in my opinion. Does Farke strike you as the kind of one size fits all type manager that these owners need to run the club for them? Lest we forget Farke was in serious trouble at Norwich before he hit a groove, and that was with a proper structure embedded into that club headed up by Stuart Webber. I could foresee something similar here without the groove being found. He's a good coach at this level for sure but only at the right club and not this dysfunctional teenager of a club that we seem to be. The owners need that strong 'daddy' figure running the entire corner shop for them. We won't know before it happens, do we?
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 11, 2022 12:17:10 GMT
Out.
He saved us when we looked doomed, cleared out some rubbish from the squad, has had back luck with injuries, but he struggles to set up a team to play attacking football and he lacks a winning mentality.
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Post by lordb on Mar 11, 2022 12:25:03 GMT
Neil Critchley at Blackpool has done a great job since he took over at Blackpool and has got what is essentially a league 1 squad performing to the same level as Stoke. He would probably be interested in joining a bigger club. Nathan Jones did similar true..ish Critchly has managed in this division which Jones hadn't + Critchly doesn't appear to be a loon+ Critchly is local ish (from Crewe) + Critchly has pedigree at youth level coaching for Liverpool He's not Nathan mark two should definitely be considered
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Post by lordb on Mar 11, 2022 12:27:30 GMT
If the perception is we need a strong character then Jokanovic ticks that box as well as produced two promotion sides playing champagne football big negative is he turned the job down before & his failure at Sheffield United
whoever we appoint is going to have perceivable flaws
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 11, 2022 12:44:43 GMT
Very interesting (although you never know how representative any sample is) that it's hovering at 55-45 now.
Either it shows there's still quite a big reservoir of goodwill towards MON, or lots of people more in favour of making a call at the end of the season which is now a more natural break point?
Interesting to know how many MON-INers are only in provisionally until we see how the last 11 games of the season go, and how many are keen on giving him another summer to build regardless of how the run-in has played out?
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