|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 24, 2022 22:45:33 GMT
Talk me through Roy Keane's 'hint of a tactical nous'? He's obviously too bashful to display it in his punditry gig. Got a lot of players that cant get themselves on the pitch week in week out. Pay as you play may be an idea with Stoke. (Notice the exodus). Contrast that with the Pulis era. Everyone turning up for work. I think that's overstated a bit to be honest. It certainly wasn't like that towards the end of Pulis' reign. Compared to our recent low standards I think we've shown more fight overall under MON than under Jones and Rowett and more fight over the last few weeks than earlier in the season.
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Feb 25, 2022 19:16:39 GMT
So do you think if hasselbaink come to Stoke with the players we have he would set up not to lose, defensive football, I find it hard to believe, good managers play with the cards they've got don't they? Burton's priority is to stay in the division isn't it so he's going to set up cautiously, isn't he? He must know how to play attacking football, he played for a club doing it week in week out and under top managers Its hard to imagine anyone taking over this squad and setting up catiously, we must have one of the best squads in the division how things stand tonight with an embarrassment of attacking options, if we finish 13th after january it will be massively dissapointing and a large under achievement, imo No, managers play how they play. Burton have in their time been play off contenders in that league, not sure just survival is their only game, and anyone in that league can with a fair wind have a crack at the play offs. How many managers completely change their style of play? They exist but they’re in a minority. The only one I can think of was Holloway and his Blackpool side
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Feb 25, 2022 19:17:22 GMT
Give shawcross a chance, give him a free hit the next few months. Yeah he knows the club
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Feb 25, 2022 19:18:34 GMT
Get a continental manager for once !! We’ve been all around the UK three times over !! We haven't done the Isle of Man or Kernow yet
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Feb 25, 2022 19:24:30 GMT
Like Wilder we've sadly missed the boat on that one I got flack after the Forest game but some Stoke fans were acting as though we'd won the European Cup in a game where we couldn't see out a matter of minutes against 10 men. That was definitely a better result for Cooper than it was MON. Bad day at the office, bonus point for Forest
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Feb 25, 2022 19:29:40 GMT
I keep reading that we have a "good squad on paper" and I would agree that the current squad is better than we have had in the last 2 or 3 seasons, but is it really a GOOD squad? Can we yet put out a GOOD side? We have NO full backs We have 1 wing back not 2 (should MON wish to go back to that formation) We have a veteran CB, who is currently head and shoulders above all around him, plus 2 good youngsters, who try to play the right way but inevitably make the odd mistake We have just 1 central striker...who is rarely fit plus a guy who is just bedding in and recovering from covid, and an energetic JB who is arguably better playing on the right as opposed to down the middle We have our best finisher struggling to get fit / back to form We have arguably 3 of the best creative midfielders in the division, but 2 are not fit and the other is just back from injury We have 2 tricky wingers, who are VERY young and inexperienced, so prone to making poor decisions at times We have 1 half decent 'keeper, who is also young and prone to the odd lapse, or 3 We have 2 combative midfielders, although 1 is getting on a bit (didn't stop him being MotM last night) So, what we have is a reasonable squad, with some lack of balance. what we also have, depending on who we keep and who we bring in during the Summer, is potential to do much better than we have this season...but then, it's the hope that destroys you Football's played on grass not paper
|
|
|
Post by yyy on Feb 25, 2022 19:46:06 GMT
I don't get the clamour for Shawcross, at all. I just don't see it
|
|
|
Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 25, 2022 21:04:05 GMT
We will only get a manager who is off the merry go round. You know the ones, they have had 3 or 4 previous clubs, done well for a while then get sacked.
|
|
|
Post by hyaduck on Feb 25, 2022 21:38:42 GMT
We need a proper scouting system for managers and not just players. FFS Coates and Co, LOOK ABROARD!!!!
|
|
|
Post by stokiedan17 on Feb 25, 2022 22:50:37 GMT
We need a proper scouting system for managers and not just players. FFS Coates and Co, LOOK ABROARD!!!! I’m just really curious now… why do you always add so many exclamation marks? Are you constantly shouting?
|
|
|
Post by Billy the kid on Feb 26, 2022 1:04:22 GMT
Like Wilder we've sadly missed the boat on that one I got flack after the Forest game but some Stoke fans were acting as though we'd won the European Cup in a game where we couldn't see out a matter of minutes against 10 men. That was definitely a better result for Cooper than it was MON. Bad day at the office, bonus point for Forest He is the only one I would ditch MON for, as it is we have to keep with what we have, but 4 years later we are no where nearer to getting promotion, take a step back and even with ffp, our budget blows most out of the water, this January recruitment was spot on and backed to the hilt. The excuses no longer wash with the squad he has at his disposal.
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Feb 26, 2022 12:15:16 GMT
Like Wilder we've sadly missed the boat on that one I got flack after the Forest game but some Stoke fans were acting as though we'd won the European Cup in a game where we couldn't see out a matter of minutes against 10 men. That was definitely a better result for Cooper than it was MON. Bad day at the office, bonus point for Forest He is the only one I would ditch MON for, as it is we have to keep with what we have, but 4 years later we are no where nearer to getting promotion, take a step back and even with ffp, our budget blows most out of the water, this January recruitment was spot on and backed to the hilt. The excuses no longer wash with the squad he has at his disposal. I know it's easy with hindsight but we're no further forward than we were with Rowett. I don't want Rowett back but I'd have more confidence in reaching the play offs with him than MON.
|
|
|
Post by stokie1947 on Feb 26, 2022 12:19:44 GMT
how about Rooney he says tongue in cheek
|
|
|
Post by stokeoptimist on Feb 26, 2022 21:08:28 GMT
Its when you read the garbage suggested on posts like this that you realise your better off sticking with the devil you know.
|
|
|
Post by worcsstokie15 on Feb 26, 2022 21:44:07 GMT
Tried and tested: Farke, Bilic Showed promise: Rooney Gamble: Carrick, Kompany
|
|
|
Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 27, 2022 11:58:47 GMT
Stick with MON.
He is bringing young players into the 1st team.
Not his fault we have had a load of injuries to our key players.
Individual mistakes that lead to us conceding is down to the player.
Besides, can we trust our owners to bring in the right man? Their record In the past ain't been too good.
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Feb 27, 2022 13:07:31 GMT
Stick with MON. He is bringing young players into the 1st team. Not his fault we have had a load of injuries to our key players. Individual mistakes that lead to us conceding is down to the player. Besides, can we trust our owners to bring in the right man? Their record In the past ain't been too good. Other clubs have injuries. It doesn't mean that they have to collapse for two seasons running from Christmas onwards. He's been backed as well as he could be and he hasn't addressed the longstanding full back issues
|
|
|
Post by cvillestokie on Feb 27, 2022 13:37:44 GMT
Stick with MON. He is bringing young players into the 1st team. Not his fault we have had a load of injuries to our key players. Individual mistakes that lead to us conceding is down to the player. Besides, can we trust our owners to bring in the right man? Their record In the past ain't been too good. Other clubs have injuries. It doesn't mean that they have to collapse for two seasons running from Christmas onwards. He's been backed as well as he could be and he hasn't addressed the longstanding full back issues That’s a bit harsh, few teams lose their star player for the majority of the season to be honest. Brentford weren’t going up last year without Toney and Fulham/Bournemouth wouldn’t do it this year without Mitrovic and Solanke. It’s one thing to not have them for a game, it’s another to not have them for half of the season. Especially when their replacements also get crocked. Anyways, he has until the end of the season for me. A top half finish is a must. If not, I’ll lose my appetite for defending him. We have brought in too many decent, exciting players to not get a tune out of them. Constant individual mistakes can eventually be laid at the manager, because they suggest that a weakness of a player is being ignored.
|
|
|
Post by professorplump on Feb 27, 2022 20:33:29 GMT
I wouldn't be looking to make a change before the end of the season. Although promotion has gone, if MON could get us up to 8th or 9th, that would probably be good enough to save his job. However if we were to make a change, I would be looking at Xisco Munoz. He has experience of the Championship having got Watford promoted last season and was doing okay in the Premier League until they decided to replace him with Ranieri.
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Feb 27, 2022 20:56:59 GMT
Stick with MON. He is bringing young players into the 1st team. Not his fault we have had a load of injuries to our key players. Individual mistakes that lead to us conceding is down to the player. Besides, can we trust our owners to bring in the right man? Their record In the past ain't been too good. Other clubs have injuries. It doesn't mean that they have to collapse for two seasons running from Christmas onwards. He's been backed as well as he could be and he hasn't addressed the longstanding full back issues And yet you have people on the Bielsa thread advocating us trying to get him and justifying Leed's collapse this season on the injuries to three key players. If you want to get rid of MON injuries can't be used as an excuse but if you want Bielsa then they can. Very weird logic.
|
|