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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 22, 2022 19:55:35 GMT
I personally don’t think O’Neil is the right guy to take us up. I do hope he is to prove me wrong I think he’s made us too inconsistent to challenge even next season unless he learns from his mistakes
He has made a lot of bad decisions in the last calendar year. .
Give mon till end of next season and I think we will have given him a far crack.
It has been unlucky for the last 2 seasons we have had our best player injured for a lengthy period but we cannot use that as a excuse.
No one else out there any better at the minute maybe the ex WBA manager
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 22, 2022 20:04:20 GMT
He should get next season at least, and deserves the chance to build a squad with something approaching a clean canvas. However, if he handed his notice in tomorrow I would approach Rooney or Robins. Rooney turned down Everton. What makes you think he'd come to Stoke? MoN is staying. It's one of the best jobs around. Write your own job spec (copyright Mark Hughes), choose from a plentiful youth setup with excellent youth scouting and have as much time in the world, pressure free, to build a side with some of the most patient owners in the game. Any manager worth their salt would run to the job faster than Usain Bolt. I agree he's staying and so he should, the OP asked a question and I answered it hypothetically.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 22, 2022 20:08:16 GMT
I’d keep MON for at least another season, I do worry if we got someone else in that the good work he has done so far as regards to the squad would be wasted.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Feb 22, 2022 20:30:46 GMT
I keep thinking this season is the modern equivalent to the "Lee Hendrie season", next year will be the promotion season. It's more like a Mick Mills season. Not quite good enough for the task in hand but always wanted more time
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 22, 2022 20:37:31 GMT
I wouldn’t trust Rooney with my Subbuteo set let alone my football club. He's doing an amazing job and Derby though in extreme circumstance.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 22, 2022 20:40:53 GMT
Rooney turned down Everton. What makes you think he'd come to Stoke? MoN is staying. It's one of the best jobs around. Write your own job spec (copyright Mark Hughes), choose from a plentiful youth setup with excellent youth scouting and have as much time in the world, pressure free, to build a side with some of the most patient owners in the game. Any manager worth their salt would run to the job faster than Usain Bolt. I agree he's staying and so he should, the OP asked a question and I answered it hypothetically. I think you're right about the job, there should be a mile long queue for it. I just don't see how Rooney takes it given he's turned down his boyhood club who have millions to spend. If he keeps Derby up and the right takeover goes through, he'll be in a good position you would think to make them into contenders.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 22, 2022 20:41:15 GMT
Roy Keane.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 22, 2022 20:50:19 GMT
I wouldn’t trust Rooney with my Subbuteo set let alone my football club. He's doing an amazing job and Derby though in extreme circumstance. He is but he’s only ever one step away from complete meltdown IMO. It will be interesting to see how the next couple of years pans out. I might well be wrong but I’ll be interested to see how it goes for him.
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Post by march4 on Feb 22, 2022 20:56:55 GMT
Changed too many times. He's doing ok and had to come through horrendous injury last. Been great with youngsters Were the players properly conditioned for a gruelling Championship season? One season of injuries is bad luck but two successive seasons?
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 22, 2022 21:02:20 GMT
Us posters of a disabled nature do not like this
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 21:15:29 GMT
Don't want MON to go but wouldn't mind him
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 21:16:27 GMT
Changed too many times. He's doing ok and had to come through horrendous injury last. Been great with youngsters Were the players properly conditioned for a gruelling Championship season? One season of injuries is bad luck but two successive seasons? You can't account for injuries like we had. A player landing awkwardly etc
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 22, 2022 21:35:24 GMT
Were the players properly conditioned for a gruelling Championship season? One season of injuries is bad luck but two successive seasons? You can't account for injuries like we had. A player landing awkwardly etc It’s about how you respond to that adversity. In two consecutive seasons MON has responded by being dour, negative, unadventurous. On both occasions the outcome has been ineffective, low scoring, table plummeting. For me he gets one more go at it. You’d have thought maybe he’d learned something and in similar circumstances he’d respond more aggressively, more proactively, more adventurously but I wouldn’t bet on it.
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Post by franklin on Feb 22, 2022 22:17:41 GMT
I'd see if LMH wanted his job back.
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Post by hyaduck on Feb 22, 2022 23:02:06 GMT
Frank Schmidt all the way!!!!!
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 22, 2022 23:18:32 GMT
I'd see if LMH wanted his job back. Id rather eat my own cooking that letting him back into the club.
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Post by hyaduck on Feb 22, 2022 23:29:22 GMT
I'd see if LMH wanted his job back. Id rather eat my own cooking that letting him back into the club. He made some terrible signings but also some bloody good ones!!! He'd be a much better manager than O'neil!!!!!!
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 22, 2022 23:41:09 GMT
Id rather eat my own cooking that letting him back into the club. He made some terrible signings but also some bloody good ones!!! He'd be a much better manager than O'neil!!!!!! As I've said in the past, i never wanted LMH at the club and i have never sang or cheerer his name. And thats not gonna change now. Did i enjoy watching some great football in that time, yes. Did i enjoy the 3 ninth place finishes, yes for the first 2. We got lucky for the last one. Did i think LMH was a great manager, no. He had the spine of a great team and added a bit of sparkle. Once he lost the spine he was fucked cos he hadnt got a scooby doo how to replace them. MON by comparison has had a pile of shit to get rid of. He has looked at blooding the u23s into the first team. Yes, some of his signings have been pants, but some have been decent, but he hasnt had a LMH type warchest. Given a choice I'll stick with MON.
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Post by bloodtypered on Feb 23, 2022 0:05:54 GMT
Hes not going anywhere next season.
Sometimes the questions are worse than the answers
Stoke are doing far better than fans thought at the beginning of the season
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 23, 2022 1:17:07 GMT
It's a tough one to be fair.
He wanted his 3 at the back. To be fair that was all based around Souttar.
In the 17 games he played we won 8, drew 4 and lost 5. Total 28 points from 51.
But in that period we should have beat Barnsley, Preston and Cardiff. I appreciate it's a should but didn't but these were games we really should have won. That would give us 34 from 51 if we did.
His start was good. We averaged 1.6 points a game. Play off form. Automatic promotion form if we had won the games we really should have.
Then Souttar gets injured. Only a week or so before Powell is injured too.
It is no surprise our form suffered. Lose 2 key players in this League and it will.
The biggest criticism is it took him an age to realise 3 at the back didnt work without a Ball Playing Defender.
Roll on Jan and he's just about realised this. He gets together, through the window, a 4-2-3-1 squad. Results are indifferent but we are good to watch and could have realistically had 13 points from 21 rather than the 9 we got. Some maybe argue draws against Coventry and Fulham wouldn't have been unfair so maybe 15 from 21.
Either of those greater returns puts us right in the play off mix.
So, in summary, who should we have?
My head says he has had a rotten time with injuries and a fully fit Souttar, Powell and Campbell easily sees us in the play offs, if not better.
My heart says he's had his chance, time for a change.
Balancing this though I go with my head. An injury free squad with a few good summer additions sees us go up next season with MoN in charge.
Given the shit he started with and the shit, rank bad luck, injuries he has endured I believe he deserves next season.
Caveat: I am entitled to completely change this opinion if we lose tomorrow.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 23, 2022 1:37:47 GMT
MON in for me.
The development of Bursik, Souttar, Tymon, Collins, DWP, Campbell and others has been great to see. His injury prone old heads like Fletch have made positive impacts behind the scenes.
He's managed to shift a lot of flops on bigger contracts, Allen will be the last big contract(?) to go at the end of the season.
We've navigated FFP, we've gone from bottom of the league to a really good side. I know the table doesn't lie but some of our performances at the start of the season (Preston away sticks out) where we've played teams off the park without getting what we've deserved have beem great.
The job he's done here so far has probably been an 8 or 9 out of 10.
Anyway, if he did go do you think we could tempt Wilder away from Boro?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2022 6:05:25 GMT
He made some terrible signings but also some bloody good ones!!! He'd be a much better manager than O'neil!!!!!! As I've said in the past, i never wanted LMH at the club and i have never sang or cheerer his name. And thats not gonna change now. Did i enjoy watching some great football in that time, yes. Did i enjoy the 3 ninth place finishes, yes for the first 2. We got lucky for the last one. Did i think LMH was a great manager, no. He had the spine of a great team and added a bit of sparkle. Once he lost the spine he was fucked cos he hadnt got a scooby doo how to replace them. MON by comparison has had a pile of shit to get rid of. He has looked at blooding the u23s into the first team. Yes, some of his signings have been pants, but some have been decent, but he hasnt had a LMH type warchest. Given a choice I'll stick with MON. I don’t want Hughes back but he didn’t just walk into a club where everything was rosy and ‘add a bit of sparkle’. If it was that simple his predecessor would’ve managed it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2022 6:06:15 GMT
MON in for me. The development of Bursik, Souttar, Tymon, Collins, DWP, Campbell and others has been great to see. His injury prone old heads like Fletch have made positive impacts behind the scenes. He's managed to shift a lot of flops on bigger contracts, Allen will be the last big contract(?) to go at the end of the season. We've navigated FFP, we've gone from bottom of the league to a really good side. I know the table doesn't lie but some of our performances at the start of the season (Preston away sticks out) where we've played teams off the park without getting what we've deserved have beem great. The job he's done here so far has probably been an 8 or 9 out of 10. Anyway, if he did go do you think we could tempt Wilder away from Boro? Not sure how we’d do that? We’d need to look a better prospect for success than them.
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Post by lordb on Feb 23, 2022 7:48:30 GMT
I keep thinking this season is the modern equivalent to the "Lee Hendrie season", next year will be the promotion season. It's more like a Mick Mills season. Not quite good enough for the task in hand but always wanted more time Not had any 6.0 or even 4.0 defeats, Mills would have killed for a season like this
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Post by jokker on Feb 23, 2022 8:04:11 GMT
He had the spine of a great team and added a bit of sparkle. Once he lost the spine he was fucked cos he hadnt got a scooby doo how to replace them. Although it should be pointed out that the spine-ish of MON's team - Bursik, Souttar, Tymon, Allen, Powell, Campbell - were signed by Hughes with a major add-on by Jones. So there's a subtle repeat of history. In MON's teams players come quick and go even quicker. If you were to point out the specific MON spine then beyond Thompson, Chester, and Fletcher it's hard to point out any players that have had staying power, and the latter two have plenty of detractors among the fanbase. There's plenty of promise, but his way of introducing young players isn't to give them 25 games in a row, or even 10. It's bit by bit in, then out again, even for Brown, then a a repeat . That's not a criticism by the way. Just pointing out that under MON we have a different way of setting up a spine. If a new manager was to build a team around specifically MON's spine, with little or no money to spend, again it would be hard to point to players who simply are 'must stay' in this MON squad that aren't leftovers from Hughes and Jones. I imagine a new manager would be delighted to work with DWP, whereas I think Brown would quickly be got rid of, if any takers could be found, to at least bring in some money. There's obviously plenty of youth in it, but most is loanees which you'd think wouldn't be taken over by any new manager keen to mold a team in his image.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 23, 2022 8:56:20 GMT
As I've said in the past, i never wanted LMH at the club and i have never sang or cheerer his name. And thats not gonna change now. Did i enjoy watching some great football in that time, yes. Did i enjoy the 3 ninth place finishes, yes for the first 2. We got lucky for the last one. Did i think LMH was a great manager, no. He had the spine of a great team and added a bit of sparkle. Once he lost the spine he was fucked cos he hadnt got a scooby doo how to replace them. MON by comparison has had a pile of shit to get rid of. He has looked at blooding the u23s into the first team. Yes, some of his signings have been pants, but some have been decent, but he hasnt had a LMH type warchest. Given a choice I'll stick with MON. I don’t want Hughes back but he didn’t just walk into a club where everything was rosy and ‘add a bit of sparkle’. If it was that simple his predecessor would’ve managed it. I’d take him in a heartbeat especially with his coaching staff who are excellent , id look to get hughes in the boardroom too and would think about some succession planning with the likes of Terry if we could for so long we’ve spent millions on the team and thought smaller in the pivotal role that has cost us do dear
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2022 9:01:02 GMT
I don’t want Hughes back but he didn’t just walk into a club where everything was rosy and ‘add a bit of sparkle’. If it was that simple his predecessor would’ve managed it. I’d take him in a heartbeat especially with his coaching staff who are excellent , id look to get hughes in the boardroom too and would think about some succession planning with the likes of Terry if we could for so long we’ve spent millions on the team and thought smaller in the pivotal role that has cost us do dear I keep seeing this clamour for Terry, does he have a good reputation as a coach/number 2? He'd have to be Rinus Michels for me to want that goblin within 100 miles of our football club. Think Hughes seems to be quite content doing half-arsed punditry now, probably past his sell-by date as a manager.
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 23, 2022 9:33:46 GMT
He should get next season at least, and deserves the chance to build a squad with something approaching a clean canvas. However, if he handed his notice in tomorrow I would approach Rooney or Robins. Rooney turned down Everton. What makes you think he'd come to Stoke? MoN is staying. Rooney didn't turn down Everton, he was asked to have an interview for the job and declined, had he been offered the job outright I have no doubt he'd of taken it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 23, 2022 11:57:09 GMT
I’d take him in a heartbeat especially with his coaching staff who are excellent , id look to get hughes in the boardroom too and would think about some succession planning with the likes of Terry if we could for so long we’ve spent millions on the team and thought smaller in the pivotal role that has cost us do dear I keep seeing this clamour for Terry, does he have a good reputation as a coach/number 2? He'd have to be Rinus Michels for me to want that goblin within 100 miles of our football club. Think Hughes seems to be quite content doing half-arsed punditry now, probably past his sell-by date as a manager. Terry i am basing my view in a bit of knowledge of his work at Villa where he was extremely good with the players now that may make him a Roy Evans as opposed to a Bob Paisley but someone is going to find out
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 23, 2022 12:05:57 GMT
Needs another season, got to be top 6 though with this squad now, just needs to sort the bottom half of the pitch out. We need to get bidace on loan for a full season. He won't be going anywhere because of the job he has done clearing the decks and to be fair it was a big job, got to show we're contenders though next season. I've said Allardyce before now out of the British candidates available today but today I think I would go with Alex Neill, took Norwich up playing attacking football and that for me is our strength in the squad, attack. Wouldn't be adverse to see Charlie Adam given a shot or Jimmy Floyd You say our strength is the attack and then name Jimmy Floyd as a possible candidate for the job, you obviously don't know anything about his management style and are just basing your opinion on his ability as a striker. Believe me, if you want attacking football Jimmy Floyd is not the answer.
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