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Post by outspaced on Feb 23, 2022 12:26:35 GMT
There won't be any changes until summer and even then MON will keep his job and I'm happy with that. He's stabilised the club and will be given the chance to 'go for it' next season.
For an example of keeping faith with a manager you have Southampton and Ralph Hassenhuttl. Fans wanted him gone after two 9-0 defeats but the club stuck with him and now they're sitting nicely in 10th with some talented young players and playing a decent style of football.
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Post by yyy on Feb 23, 2022 14:23:31 GMT
Needs another season, got to be top 6 though with this squad now, just needs to sort the bottom half of the pitch out. We need to get bidace on loan for a full season. He won't be going anywhere because of the job he has done clearing the decks and to be fair it was a big job, got to show we're contenders though next season. I've said Allardyce before now out of the British candidates available today but today I think I would go with Alex Neill, took Norwich up playing attacking football and that for me is our strength in the squad, attack. Wouldn't be adverse to see Charlie Adam given a shot or Jimmy Floyd You say our strength is the attack and then name Jimmy Floyd as a possible candidate for the job, you obviously don't know anything about his management style and are just basing your opinion on his ability as a striker. Believe me, if you want attacking football Jimmy Floyd is not the answer. That's news to me tbh, you're correct I know nothing of his style but perhaps he's playing with the cards he's got, as in burton are a piss poor club and punching above their weight?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 23, 2022 16:06:26 GMT
He had the spine of a great team and added a bit of sparkle. Once he lost the spine he was fucked cos he hadnt got a scooby doo how to replace them. Although it should be pointed out that the spine-ish of MON's team - Bursik, Souttar, Tymon, Allen, Powell, Campbell - were signed by Hughes with a major add-on by Jones. So there's a subtle repeat of history. In MON's teams players come quick and go even quicker. If you were to point out the specific MON spine then beyond Thompson, Chester, and Fletcher it's hard to point out any players that have had staying power, and the latter two have plenty of detractors among the fanbase. There's plenty of promise, but his way of introducing young players isn't to give them 25 games in a row, or even 10. It's bit by bit in, then out again, even for Brown, then a a repeat . That's not a criticism by the way. Just pointing out that under MON we have a different way of setting up a spine. If a new manager was to build a team around specifically MON's spine, with little or no money to spend, again it would be hard to point to players who simply are 'must stay' in this MON squad that aren't leftovers from Hughes and Jones. I imagine a new manager would be delighted to work with DWP, whereas I think Brown would quickly be got rid of, if any takers could be found, to at least bring in some money. There's obviously plenty of youth in it, but most is loanees which you'd think wouldn't be taken over by any new manager keen to mold a team in his image. Christ you’re more optimistic than me about the sort of manager we might replace him with if you think they’d be delighted to work with DWP and get rid of Brown. The sort of managers our owners normally go for would jizz over Brown and refuse to play DWP until he fills out.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 23, 2022 16:11:09 GMT
I personally don’t think O’Neil is the right guy to take us up. I do hope he is to prove me wrong I think he’s made us too inconsistent to challenge even next season unless he learns from his mistakes He has made a lot of bad decisions in the last calendar year. . Give mon till end of next season and I think we will have given him a far crack. It has been unlucky for the last 2 seasons we have had our best player injured for a lengthy period but we cannot use that as a excuse. No one else out there any better at the minute maybe the ex WBA manager There are plenty out there who’ve proved they can operate at a higher level and or get promoted from this league , question is do we get the ambition or the appal to go and get one
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2022 17:03:11 GMT
You say our strength is the attack and then name Jimmy Floyd as a possible candidate for the job, you obviously don't know anything about his management style and are just basing your opinion on his ability as a striker. Believe me, if you want attacking football Jimmy Floyd is not the answer. That's news to me tbh, you're correct I know nothing of his style but perhaps he's playing with the cards he's got, as in burton are a piss poor club and punching above their weight? It's largely a myth that managers 'play with the cards they've got'. Precious few of them change their spots and really at any level you can set up to play how you want. Plenty of teams their size have been promoted playing, by the standards of that league, attacking football.
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Post by jokker on Feb 23, 2022 17:03:25 GMT
Although it should be pointed out that the spine-ish of MON's team - Bursik, Souttar, Tymon, Allen, Powell, Campbell - were signed by Hughes with a major add-on by Jones. So there's a subtle repeat of history. In MON's teams players come quick and go even quicker. If you were to point out the specific MON spine then beyond Thompson, Chester, and Fletcher it's hard to point out any players that have had staying power, and the latter two have plenty of detractors among the fanbase. There's plenty of promise, but his way of introducing young players isn't to give them 25 games in a row, or even 10. It's bit by bit in, then out again, even for Brown, then a a repeat . That's not a criticism by the way. Just pointing out that under MON we have a different way of setting up a spine. If a new manager was to build a team around specifically MON's spine, with little or no money to spend, again it would be hard to point to players who simply are 'must stay' in this MON squad that aren't leftovers from Hughes and Jones. I imagine a new manager would be delighted to work with DWP, whereas I think Brown would quickly be got rid of, if any takers could be found, to at least bring in some money. There's obviously plenty of youth in it, but most is loanees which you'd think wouldn't be taken over by any new manager keen to mold a team in his image. Christ you’re more optimistic than me about the sort of manager we might replace him with if you think they’d be delighted to work with DWP and get rid of Brown. The sort of managers our owners normally go for would jizz over Brown and refuse to play DWP until he fills out. That changed when DWP was selected and scored his first goal soon after, didn't it? Anyway this thread isn't about the sort of managers our owners normally go for. It's about who you would have as manager, which would mean quality management would come to the fore here, very, very, very theoretically. Although I'd prefer O'Neill to stay...
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Post by yyy on Feb 23, 2022 19:14:50 GMT
That's news to me tbh, you're correct I know nothing of his style but perhaps he's playing with the cards he's got, as in burton are a piss poor club and punching above their weight? It's largely a myth that managers 'play with the cards they've got'. Precious few of them change their spots and really at any level you can set up to play how you want. Plenty of teams their size have been promoted playing, by the standards of that league, attacking football. So do you think if hasselbaink come to Stoke with the players we have he would set up not to lose, defensive football, I find it hard to believe, good managers play with the cards they've got don't they? Burton's priority is to stay in the division isn't it so he's going to set up cautiously, isn't he? He must know how to play attacking football, he played for a club doing it week in week out and under top managers Its hard to imagine anyone taking over this squad and setting up catiously, we must have one of the best squads in the division how things stand tonight with an embarrassment of attacking options, if we finish 13th after january it will be massively dissapointing and a large under achievement, imo
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2022 19:32:08 GMT
It's largely a myth that managers 'play with the cards they've got'. Precious few of them change their spots and really at any level you can set up to play how you want. Plenty of teams their size have been promoted playing, by the standards of that league, attacking football. So do you think if hasselbaink come to Stoke with the players we have he would set up not to lose, defensive football, I find it hard to believe, good managers play with the cards they've got don't they? Burton's priority is to stay in the division isn't it so he's going to set up cautiously, isn't he? He must know how to play attacking football, he played for a club doing it week in week out and under top managers Its hard to imagine anyone taking over this squad and setting up catiously, we must have one of the best squads in the division how things stand tonight with an embarrassment of attacking options, if we finish 13th after january it will be massively dissapointing and a large under achievement, imo No, managers play how they play. Burton have in their time been play off contenders in that league, not sure just survival is their only game, and anyone in that league can with a fair wind have a crack at the play offs. How many managers completely change their style of play? They exist but they’re in a minority.
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Post by yyy on Feb 23, 2022 19:37:45 GMT
So do you think if hasselbaink come to Stoke with the players we have he would set up not to lose, defensive football, I find it hard to believe, good managers play with the cards they've got don't they? Burton's priority is to stay in the division isn't it so he's going to set up cautiously, isn't he? He must know how to play attacking football, he played for a club doing it week in week out and under top managers Its hard to imagine anyone taking over this squad and setting up catiously, we must have one of the best squads in the division how things stand tonight with an embarrassment of attacking options, if we finish 13th after january it will be massively dissapointing and a large under achievement, imo No, managers play how they play. Burton have in their time been play off contenders in that league, not sure just survival is their only game, and anyone in that league can with a fair wind have a crack at the play offs. How many managers completely change their style of play? They exist but they’re in a minority. No, I know some are set in their ways I just think someone like hasselbaink could adjust being Dutch and played attacking football as a player, comes across as a intelligent man
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2022 19:43:20 GMT
No, managers play how they play. Burton have in their time been play off contenders in that league, not sure just survival is their only game, and anyone in that league can with a fair wind have a crack at the play offs. How many managers completely change their style of play? They exist but they’re in a minority. No, I know some are set in their ways I just think someone like hasselbaink could adjust being Dutch and played attacking football as a player, comes across as a intelligent man Haven’t noticed in his punditry anything especially insightful tbh. Another one whose name and reputation as a player seems to be unduly polishing his reputation as a manager.
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Post by yyy on Feb 23, 2022 19:44:15 GMT
No, I know some are set in their ways I just think someone like hasselbaink could adjust being Dutch and played attacking football as a player, comes across as a intelligent man Haven’t noticed in his punditry anything especially insightful tbh. Another one whose name and reputation as a player seems to be unduly polishing his reputation as a manager. Maybe, I just think he would be an interesting option at a better club with decent players
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Post by upthefud on Feb 23, 2022 20:40:43 GMT
MON in for me. The development of Bursik, Souttar, Tymon, Collins, DWP, Campbell and others has been great to see. His injury prone old heads like Fletch have made positive impacts behind the scenes. He's managed to shift a lot of flops on bigger contracts, Allen will be the last big contract(?) to go at the end of the season. We've navigated FFP, we've gone from bottom of the league to a really good side. I know the table doesn't lie but some of our performances at the start of the season (Preston away sticks out) where we've played teams off the park without getting what we've deserved have beem great. The job he's done here so far has probably been an 8 or 9 out of 10. Anyway, if he did go do you think we could tempt Wilder away from Boro? Not sure how we’d do that? We’d need to look a better prospect for success than them. Offer him a rise? Stoke and Boro are very similar in terms of size and current squad strength, probably similar distances to Sheffield too
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2022 20:45:35 GMT
Not sure how we’d do that? We’d need to look a better prospect for success than them. Offer him a rise? Stoke and Boro are very similar in terms of size and current squad strength, probably similar distances to Sheffield too For the most part it takes more than money to prise players and managers away, you’ve got to appear a better prospect. Boro have been able to spend pretty big and seen a step ahead of us in the race for the Prem, can’t see him giving up on what he’s trying to build there to do the same with a bigger job on for us.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Feb 23, 2022 21:31:36 GMT
Why are so many still saying “give him another season” or even 2 - no fucking club would give any manager 4 or 5 seasons of failure-cum-mediocrity / lack of progress - others have made appointments that have offered immediate, tangible improvements - he should go now, get a caretaker and recruit someone else who knows how to motivate and galvanise a side FFS
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 21:33:14 GMT
None of our business to worry. There are more than 1 million managers out there (of course INCLUSIVE foreign)
They should know better than us. Its just a question whether our owner willing to fork out the damn money for a manaager.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 23, 2022 21:35:36 GMT
Give shawcross a chance, give him a free hit the next few months.
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 23, 2022 21:37:36 GMT
Give shawcross a chance, give him a free hit the next few months. Like we did with Kamara? No thanks.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 23, 2022 21:37:41 GMT
Why are so many still saying “give him another season” or even 2 - no fucking club would give any manager 4 or 5 seasons of failure-cum-mediocrity / lack of progress - others have made appointments that have offered immediate, tangible improvements - he should go now, get a caretaker and recruit someone else who knows how to motivate and galvanise a side FFS I don't think many are saying to give him another season. I think it's obvious be will get another session whatever we think. 12k attendances next season?
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Post by dioufsboots on Feb 23, 2022 21:41:14 GMT
I keep seeing this clamour for Terry, does he have a good reputation as a coach/number 2? He'd have to be Rinus Michels for me to want that goblin within 100 miles of our football club. Think Hughes seems to be quite content doing half-arsed punditry now, probably past his sell-by date as a manager. Terry i am basing my view in a bit of knowledge of his work at Villa where he was extremely good with the players now that may make him a Roy Evans as opposed to a Bob Paisley but someone is going to find out [be] Not much out there tbh, thought for a while Terry would do a good job somewhere,the guys a born leader
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Post by loosestools on Feb 23, 2022 21:54:08 GMT
I thought Rooney was a strange, desperate appointment at Derby. He was given a chance and proved me and lot of others, wrong.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 23, 2022 21:54:46 GMT
Terry i am basing my view in a bit of knowledge of his work at Villa where he was extremely good with the players now that may make him a Roy Evans as opposed to a Bob Paisley but someone is going to find out [be] Not much out there tbh, thought for a while Terry would do a good job somewhere,the guys a born leader So was Bryan Robson.
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Post by samba :) on Feb 23, 2022 21:56:00 GMT
Daniel farke is coaching in russia, shouldn't cost us to much to get him into the midlands
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Post by deadwait on Feb 23, 2022 21:56:15 GMT
Move heaven and earth to get Slavin Bilic, and I believe he is available.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 23, 2022 22:00:11 GMT
If we could, I would really like to see Rooney. Lots of ifs and buts and he's of course turned down Everton, but maybe he knows it would hurt to manage his team. Think he'd sort things out and attract the right players. Plus one other minor benefit.... he's a proper winner with a set of bollocks.
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Post by franklin on Feb 23, 2022 22:01:06 GMT
I'd be on the phone tonight to LMH.
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Post by march4 on Feb 23, 2022 22:03:35 GMT
I'd be on the phone tonight to LMH. To blame him for starting this collapse?
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Feb 23, 2022 22:06:04 GMT
Holden till the end of the season.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Feb 23, 2022 22:07:02 GMT
Why are so many still saying “give him another season” or even 2 - no fucking club would give any manager 4 or 5 seasons of failure-cum-mediocrity / lack of progress - others have made appointments that have offered immediate, tangible improvements - he should go now, get a caretaker and recruit someone else who knows how to motivate and galvanise a side FFS I don't think many are saying to give him another season. I think it's obvious be will get another session whatever we think. 12k attendances next season? we will lose some younger fans permanently if there's another season of that shite - raised on 10 seasons on the PL and now this garbage
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 23, 2022 22:07:55 GMT
Pottermus till end of season
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Post by franklin on Feb 23, 2022 22:07:58 GMT
I'd be on the phone tonight to LMH. To blame him for starting this collapse? No to offer him his job back.
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