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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 19:23:28 GMT
I've said this for such a long time and I've been of this opinion since I was younger - I couldn't agree more about this. It's interesting to think about why we are such a backward looking city, as in my view that can be seen in the people too. You only have to look at comments these days on things like this - always seem to be more negative than positive and I don't understand why. In this case I don't see what anyone can find negative about regenerating this part of Hanley, it's far better than the complete eyesore that's there now. Nottingham and Sheffield are prime examples of forward thinking cities with similar populations. Arenas, integrated transport systems, we are so far behind. Not that I disagree with your general comments on SOT being a backward looking city or your overall sentiments in this thread; but I don't think you can say Sheffield/Nottingham are similar populations. Definitely not similar populations on a UK-scale, as opposed to a global scale where all 3 conurbations become minor. The size of SOT metropolitan area is just shy of 700k which is a good bit smaller than both those places (Nottingham slightly less clear as Derby is included in their metro area I believe) and our city suffers largely as a result of our smaller size IMO. We're in the horrible position of being too small to truly compete with the larger cities that surround us, whilst being far too big for it to be acceptable to not even try to compete. We're like a very large welterweight or very small light-heavyweight who is trying to compete in a division of light-heavyweights/heavyweights.
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Post by Boothen on Jan 17, 2022 19:30:25 GMT
Named after an Iron Age Italian people? OK, that's relevant to Stoke-on-Trent.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 17, 2022 19:36:48 GMT
It just needs to be done. An indoor arena done properly at 3,600 is perfectly adequate and will bring much needed footfall from outside the area. I don’t blame people for putting the city down but if this gets approved it should be something to celebrate and if successful a catalyst to further develop other parts of the city. We just need a a successful project to kickstart it and this could well be it.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 17, 2022 19:38:58 GMT
There’s going to be an announcement this afternoon mate including a name for it Great news but surely we have to aim bigger than a 3.5K limit which will in turn attract bigger stars or events? I think it is the right size. If you compare it to provincial gigs its big enough for most smaller bands a comedian uk tours. Anyone that can fill an Arena will go to Manchester, Birmingham etc. anyway. It's in the same group a Brighton, Manchester Victoria and Apollo, Digbeth, Birmingham Academy, Wolverhampton civic hall It's better that there is a gig or event on every week, than a once in a blue moon mega event. More often and a great atmosphere would be better. Besides the rest of the infrastructure in the city wouldnt cope with the influx of outsiders for an Arena.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 17, 2022 19:42:16 GMT
Great news but surely we have to aim bigger than a 3.5K limit which will in turn attract bigger stars or events? I think it is the right size. If you compare it to provincial gigs its big enough for most smaller bands a comedian uk tours. Anyone that can fill an Arena will go to Manchester, Birmingham etc. anyway. It's in the same group a Brighton, Manchester Victoria and Apollo, Digbeth, Birmingham Academy, Wolverhampton civic hall It's better that there is a gig or event on every week, than a once in a blue moon mega event. More often and a great atmosphere would be better. Besides the rest of the infrastructure in the city wouldnt cope with the influx of outsiders for an Arena. Bang on, it’s a sensible capacity. Besides a lot of audiences and bands prefer the more intimate venues. BUT we have to get it absolutely bang on and no half arsed shit, a lot of design and planning needed to make it a venue people want to go to.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 17, 2022 19:49:56 GMT
I think it is the right size. If you compare it to provincial gigs its big enough for most smaller bands a comedian uk tours. Anyone that can fill an Arena will go to Manchester, Birmingham etc. anyway. It's in the same group a Brighton, Manchester Victoria and Apollo, Digbeth, Birmingham Academy, Wolverhampton civic hall It's better that there is a gig or event on every week, than a once in a blue moon mega event. More often and a great atmosphere would be better. Besides the rest of the infrastructure in the city wouldnt cope with the influx of outsiders for an Arena. Bang on, it’s a sensible capacity. Besides a lot of audiences and bands prefer the more intimate venues. BUT we have to get it absolutely bang on and no half arsed shit, a lot of design and planning needed to make it a venue people want to go to. Yeah if it is flexible to convert from seats to standing then 3500 is a brilliant size to watch a band, I've seen Weller loads of times at that size. 1500 or so is a great size for a Bill Bailey. Get the pre gig pub and after party sorted and the ripple effect can start. I hope there is parking for 3500.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 17, 2022 19:52:05 GMT
Bang on, it’s a sensible capacity. Besides a lot of audiences and bands prefer the more intimate venues. BUT we have to get it absolutely bang on and no half arsed shit, a lot of design and planning needed to make it a venue people want to go to. Yeah if it is flexible to convert from seats to standing then 3500 is a brilliant size to watch a band, I've seen Weller loads of times at that size. 1500 or so is a great size for a Bill Bailey. Get the pre gig pub and after party sorted and the ripple effect can start. I hope there is parking for 3500. Absolutely. I thought I read some kind of plans for a park and ride from Festival Park which would make sense at a relatively small cost?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 17, 2022 19:52:47 GMT
I hope it does well if it goes ahead. I have a feeling a venue with a bigger capacity might do better and a 3,000 capacity won't differentiate it enough from the Victoria Hall or Regent in terms of who the venues attract.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 17, 2022 19:53:03 GMT
Hopefully this comes off. Nice to see a positive. Something Phil Taylor championed years ago when discussing Premier league darts . Not sure where it would leave the Viccy Hall but this can only be good news Sold off obviously. Like every other asset.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 17, 2022 19:54:53 GMT
I hope it does well if it goes ahead. I have a feeling a venue with a bigger capacity might do better and a 3,000 capacity won't differentiate it enough from the Victoria Hall or Regent in terms of who the venues attract. It would need to be radically different from those two venues and I presume that’s the plan otherwise there’d be no point to it
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Post by danceswithclams on Jan 17, 2022 19:56:54 GMT
Great news but surely we have to aim bigger than a 3.5K limit which will in turn attract bigger stars or events? I think it is the right size. If you compare it to provincial gigs its big enough for most smaller bands a comedian uk tours. Anyone that can fill an Arena will go to Manchester, Birmingham etc. anyway. It's in the same group a Brighton, Manchester Victoria and Apollo, Digbeth, Birmingham Academy, Wolverhampton civic hall It's better that there is a gig or event on every week, than a once in a blue moon mega event. More often and a great atmosphere would be better. Besides the rest of the infrastructure in the city wouldnt cope with the influx of outsiders for an Arena. Stoke isn't (and never has been) a primary market and simply couldn't sustain a 15-20k arena even if national promoters eschewed the usual Birmingham > Nottingham > Manchester/Liverpool path when routing tours. An arena at this capacity will however allow the city to attract acts that are too big to be playing 1200k Keele Uni Ballroom and 1500k cap Viccy Hall but are not that much of a draw to sell out a 15-20k on a wet Wednesday night in Stoke. Yeah, people would travel from outside of the area to see big acts but it's the 'home crowd' that promoters rely on to make shows economically viable. A 3.5k cap venue in Stoke is just what's needed as it'll allow us to attract those acts operating in secondary markets and would usually end up playing in places like Derby instead. This venue, if it ever comes off would be Stoke's equivalent of the Manchester Apollo (and would be able to attract the kind of bands etc that you'd see there - and I've seen loads of top bands there in my time). The thing to be wary of however is whether our dunder-headed city council will appoint the right company to operate it. If they just give it to ATG (who run both The Viccy Hall and Regent and who also have their losses offset by the council) then they'll just program any old shite as they're not overly arsed about making shows commercially viable.
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Post by pretzel on Jan 17, 2022 20:03:27 GMT
Should be named after one of the greats from the area The Nellodrome?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 17, 2022 20:11:17 GMT
I think it is the right size. If you compare it to provincial gigs its big enough for most smaller bands a comedian uk tours. Anyone that can fill an Arena will go to Manchester, Birmingham etc. anyway. It's in the same group a Brighton, Manchester Victoria and Apollo, Digbeth, Birmingham Academy, Wolverhampton civic hall It's better that there is a gig or event on every week, than a once in a blue moon mega event. More often and a great atmosphere would be better. Besides the rest of the infrastructure in the city wouldnt cope with the influx of outsiders for an Arena. Stoke isn't (and never has been) a primary market and simply couldn't sustain a 15-20k arena even if national promoters eschewed the usual Birmingham > Nottingham > Manchester/Liverpool path when routing tours. An arena at this capacity will however allow the city to attract acts that are too big to be playing 1200k Keele Uni Ballroom and 1500k cap Viccy Hall but are not that much of a draw to sell out a 15-20k on a wet Wednesday night in Stoke. Yeah, people would travel from outside of the area to see big acts but it's the 'home crowd' that promoters rely on to make shows economically viable. A 3.5k cap venue in Stoke is just what's needed as it'll allow us to attract those acts operating in secondary markets and would usually end up playing in places like Derby instead. This venue, if it ever comes off would be Stoke's equivalent of the Manchester Apollo (and would be able to attract the kind of bands etc that you'd see there - and I've seen loads of top bands there in my time). The thing to be wary of however is whether our dunder-headed city council will appoint the right company to operate it. If they just give it to ATG (who run both The Viccy Hall and Regent and who also have their losses offset by the council) then they'll just program any old shite as they're not overly arsed about making shows commercially viable. I once worked for ATG🤣
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 17, 2022 20:18:54 GMT
Great news for the City. Loads of opportunities for gigs, sporting events like Boxing or PL darts and exhibitions. Could seriously kickstart the revival and growth of our city. A huge opportunity.
Now we also need to invest in the transport infrastructure. No time like the present for a state of the art Tram system.
Love the water taxi idea too, that would create a good regeneration of the canal system.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 17, 2022 20:22:09 GMT
Stoke isn't (and never has been) a primary market and simply couldn't sustain a 15-20k arena even if national promoters eschewed the usual Birmingham > Nottingham > Manchester/Liverpool path when routing tours. An arena at this capacity will however allow the city to attract acts that are too big to be playing 1200k Keele Uni Ballroom and 1500k cap Viccy Hall but are not that much of a draw to sell out a 15-20k on a wet Wednesday night in Stoke. Yeah, people would travel from outside of the area to see big acts but it's the 'home crowd' that promoters rely on to make shows economically viable. A 3.5k cap venue in Stoke is just what's needed as it'll allow us to attract those acts operating in secondary markets and would usually end up playing in places like Derby instead. This venue, if it ever comes off would be Stoke's equivalent of the Manchester Apollo (and would be able to attract the kind of bands etc that you'd see there - and I've seen loads of top bands there in my time). The thing to be wary of however is whether our dunder-headed city council will appoint the right company to operate it. If they just give it to ATG (who run both The Viccy Hall and Regent and who also have their losses offset by the council) then they'll just program any old shite as they're not overly arsed about making shows commercially viable. I once worked for ATG🤣 You needed to write it 'worked'.
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Post by questionable on Jan 17, 2022 20:40:44 GMT
Great news for the City. Loads of opportunities for gigs, sporting events like Boxing or PL darts and exhibitions. Could seriously kickstart the revival and growth of our city. A huge opportunity. Now we also need to invest in the transport infrastructure. No time like the present for a state of the art Tram system. Love the water taxi idea too, that would create a good regeneration of the canal system. [ We walked along the Shropshire Union Canal yesterday and it was rammed with walkers, there’s lots of footfall on the canals.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 20:54:27 GMT
Can’t wait for the comments online “Why the fuck do we need that” “That’ll look good in this dump won’t it” This is why we won’t get anywhere. Do you're complaining about comments you've made up and oddly quoted?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 17, 2022 20:57:27 GMT
Can’t wait for the comments online “Why the fuck do we need that” “That’ll look good in this dump won’t it” This is why we won’t get anywhere. Do you're complaining about comments you've made up and oddly quoted? He’ll be talking about the sentinel comments. Which if you have a look are even worse. There’s some right pond life on their comments section
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 17, 2022 20:59:43 GMT
It will no doubt be called The Fat Vale Bastard Arena.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 17, 2022 21:01:12 GMT
It will no doubt be called The Fat Vale Bastard Arena. Strange thing to say. Are you ok?
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 17, 2022 21:03:05 GMT
It will no doubt be called The Fat Vale Bastard Arena. Strange thing to say. Are you ok? I was inferring to a certain Mr Williams mate.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 17, 2022 21:05:46 GMT
Strange thing to say. Are you ok? I was inferring to a certain Mr Williams mate. I know
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Post by misterj on Jan 18, 2022 8:54:13 GMT
Lot of local conversations go something like this ……. “Hanley’s a shithole” “yes but they have ideas to improve it such as a new arena” “it’ll still be a F…..ing shithole, it’ll never work!” I remember saying something similar myself when seeing the log cabin/retail units going up at Trentham approx 15 years ago and look how that turned out, a major success!!
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 18, 2022 9:43:42 GMT
Should be named after one of the greats from the area The Nellodrome? Ideal name for a frankie goes to Hollywood reunion. "We're a long way from home, welcome to the nellodome"
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 18, 2022 9:45:50 GMT
If it is going to work, there needs to be a massive upgrade on infrastructure to support it.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 18, 2022 9:50:20 GMT
In an realistic world it should have been built near the bet365 to utilise the parking, plus they could use canal taxis and maybe incorporate a railway station for the venue and the stadium.
As it is the capacity is about right to me. What it will do to the footfall for the viccy hall and the regent will raise concern though, especially as i love the viccy hall for small gigs.
Would be good if they incorporated an ice rink in it for ice hockey or skating which could generate extra revenue.
The main issue though will be transport and parking, which is why it needs to be planned well to future proof the place.
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Post by misterj on Jan 18, 2022 10:15:45 GMT
In an realistic world it should have been built near the bet365 to utilise the parking, plus they could use canal taxis and maybe incorporate a railway station for the venue and the stadium. As it is the capacity is about right to me. What it will do to the footfall for the viccy hall and the regent will raise concern though, especially as i love the viccy hall for small gigs. Would be good if they incorporated an ice rink in it for ice hockey or skating which could generate extra revenue. The main issue though will be transport and parking, which is why it needs to be planned well to future proof the place. I agree!
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Post by danceswithclams on Jan 18, 2022 10:41:56 GMT
In an realistic world it should have been built near the bet365 to utilise the parking The parking (and access/egress) that everyone on here moans their fucking bags off about and has been the bane of the site of 25 years?
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Post by felonious on Jan 18, 2022 10:55:08 GMT
In an realistic world it should have been built near the bet365 to utilise the parking The parking (and access/egress) that everyone on here moans their fucking bags off about and has been the bane of the site of 25 years? It'll be perfectly adequate when we're down to 3,500/ 3,600
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Post by tuum on Jan 18, 2022 11:22:45 GMT
I've said this for such a long time and I've been of this opinion since I was younger - I couldn't agree more about this. It's interesting to think about why we are such a backward looking city, as in my view that can be seen in the people too. You only have to look at comments these days on things like this - always seem to be more negative than positive and I don't understand why. In this case I don't see what anyone can find negative about regenerating this part of Hanley, it's far better than the complete eyesore that's there now. Nottingham and Sheffield are prime examples of forward thinking cities with similar populations. Arenas, integrated transport systems, we are so far behind. The populations of Nottingham and Sheffield are much bigger than S-o-T particularly when you look at the outlying areas. Also, those two cities are the county seats so lots more 9to5 jobs in the city which helps to increase revenue. I don't think it is fair to put S-o-T in the same tier as them. S-o-T has much bigger challenges in attracting investment. Smaller population, smaller business community, low pay, low education,disjointed geography. I could go on.
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