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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 5, 2021 16:52:07 GMT
“Too many players don’t have the desire to take us to the next level”
“None of the subs were effective”
The most pissed off ive heard him
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Post by loosestools on Apr 5, 2021 16:54:55 GMT
“Too many players don’t have the desire to take us to the next level” “None of the subs were effective” The most pissed off ive heard him And who's fault is that Michael? |
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Post by wuzza on Apr 5, 2021 16:55:10 GMT
I think he is right.
We are a very bland team.
No players of great skill and only a few with a really combative attitude.
We need to develop a team of character that doesn’t accept losing quite as easily as some of the current set up seem to.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 5, 2021 16:56:09 GMT
“Too many players don’t have the desire to take us to the next level” “None of the subs were effective” The most pissed off ive heard him And who's fault is that Michael? Lots of different people...... |
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Post by theoptimist on Apr 5, 2021 16:57:41 GMT
“Too many players don’t have the desire to take us to the next level”
He brought 6 of the staring line up to the club! ..... Wrong DNA?
Of the others, we have Soutar, Powell, Davies.
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 5, 2021 16:57:58 GMT
He's just actually said
"None of the subs had the impact that we wanted except Vokes"
He mentioned the other players that came on in the quote but said not Vokes 🤦🏻♂️
Grow a pair and give a couple of youngsters some game time, nothing to lose and it CAN'T get any worse than it is already
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 16:59:26 GMT
There’s a time and a place for home truths, but not sure how clever it is to throw your players under the bus publicly when you’re open to scrutiny over your own culpability for a poor result.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 5, 2021 17:00:58 GMT
We are a mid table Championship team,which we will be for some time to come,in fact we will be relegated rather than promoted, if the likes of Campbell,Soutar and Collins are moved on.
MON may be a decent Championship nanager,but I don't think he could cut it in the Premier league.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 5, 2021 17:01:27 GMT
He's just actually said "None of the subs had the impact that we wanted except Vokes" He mentioned the other players that came on in the quote but said not Vokes 🤦🏻♂️ Grow a pair and give a couple of youngsters some game time, nothing to lose and it CAN'T get any worse than it is already It would be fair if you quoted precisely what he said about Vokes...not 1/2 of what was said |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 5, 2021 17:02:32 GMT
There’s a time and a place for home truths, but not sure how clever it is to throw your players under the bus publicly when you’re open to scrutiny over your own culpability for a poor result. If they see that as being thrown under the bus it's probably best if they move on anyway. Over the course of a season managers try defending their players, tough love, praising them for averageness, and whatever they can to get a tune out of them. The sad truth is that some of our dead wood barely respond to any of the above....... |
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 5, 2021 17:03:01 GMT
He's just actually said "None of the subs had the impact that we wanted except Vokes" He mentioned the other players that came on in the quote but said not Vokes 🤦🏻♂️ Grow a pair and give a couple of youngsters some game time, nothing to lose and it CAN'T get any worse than it is already It would be fair if you quoted precisely what he said about Vokes...not 1/2 of what was said I quite clearly said in my post that he mentioned the other players, the only bit I omitted was "because he came on later" which adds nothing to the comment |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 17:07:51 GMT
There’s a time and a place for home truths, but not sure how clever it is to throw your players under the bus publicly when you’re open to scrutiny over your own culpability for a poor result. If they see that as being thrown under the bus it's probably best if they move on anyway. Over the course of a season managers try defending their players, tough love, praising them for averageness, and whatever they can to get a tune out of them. The sad truth is that some of our dead wood barely respond to any of the above....... I don’t have a problem with that at all if it’s done sparingly and with recognition of one’s own failings as well. When you’re blaming the players after a game in which you’ve been tactically outdone by a remedial though I’m not sure it’s a great look. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 5, 2021 17:08:21 GMT
“Too many players don’t have the desire to take us to the next level” “None of the subs were effective” The most pissed off ive heard him Both of which are his fault. Is he going to resign then? |
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 5, 2021 17:09:43 GMT
“Too many players don’t have the desire to take us to the next level” “None of the subs were effective” The most pissed off ive heard him And who's fault is that Michael? Theirs. The players who came on were not novices and their experience says they should be able to effect games yet they did not do a single thing between them to prove they are worth a starting position. I wouldn't put any of them on the bench for the rest of the season and tell them they are free to find another club in the summer. Clucas had the chance to stop the move for the second goal in its infancy but put in a powder puff challenge and McLean just fouled and argued for his 15 minute cameo. He doesn't seem to understand how best to channel his passion for the good of the team. Let's see what the academy lads can show us. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 5, 2021 17:11:54 GMT
If they see that as being thrown under the bus it's probably best if they move on anyway. Over the course of a season managers try defending their players, tough love, praising them for averageness, and whatever they can to get a tune out of them. The sad truth is that some of our dead wood barely respond to any of the above....... I don’t have a problem with that at all if it’s done sparingly and with recognition of one’s own failings as well. When you’re blaming the players after a game in which you’ve been tactically outdone by a remedial though I’m not sure it’s a great look. Most managers recognise their own failings I'm sure, but apart from once in a blue moon rarely come out and say "I got it wrong" or "I could have done better". O'Neill is no different. And as stated previously I believe saying he was "tactically outdone" is massively stretching it, "a drab second half was turned on its head by a woeful piece of defending" is more accurate....... |
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Post by zerps on Apr 5, 2021 17:15:36 GMT
He’s hit terminal velocity and he’s the one that won’t be able to take us any further.
Thanks for keeping us up but you or none of your players are leaders. A massive part of how gash we’ve become.
We used to have an entire team of leaders.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 5, 2021 17:16:04 GMT
There’s a time and a place for home truths, but not sure how clever it is to throw your players under the bus publicly when you’re open to scrutiny over your own culpability for a poor result. Are you talking about the subs? Surely 3 of the biggest earners at the club should be expected to change the game? Apart from Rabbi I can't see why any of those subs should get upset by the home truths. Perhaps the fact that our best player has recently said he's not bothered if he doesn't play in the Premier again says something about desire. It's all well and good saying family and happiness come first but at Stoke he has the chance to do both but where was his passion today? MON is right. Too many players go through the motions without showing any real desire or anger with themselves or team mates. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 17:16:11 GMT
I don’t have a problem with that at all if it’s done sparingly and with recognition of one’s own failings as well. When you’re blaming the players after a game in which you’ve been tactically outdone by a remedial though I’m not sure it’s a great look. Most managers recognise their own failings I'm sure, but apart from once in a blue moon rarely come out and say "I got it wrong" or "I could have done better". O'Neill is no different. And as stated previously I believe saying he was "tactically outdone" is massively stretching it, "a drab second half was turned on its head by a woeful piece of defending" is more accurate....... We were stymied second half by their sub, which allowed them to start coming into the game more. There have been a few home games this season where a promising first half performance has given way to a much poorer second half one following the opponents making a change that we don’t react to. It might of course be a total coincidence but equally it’s not difficult to see it as a bit of an emerging pattern. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 5, 2021 17:16:26 GMT
When has bringing Vokes on ever really been effective bar the odd miracle yet he continues to do it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 17:17:20 GMT
There’s a time and a place for home truths, but not sure how clever it is to throw your players under the bus publicly when you’re open to scrutiny over your own culpability for a poor result. Are you talking about the subs? Surely 3 of the biggest earners at the club should be expected to change the game? Apart from Rabbi I can't see why any of those subs should get upset by the home truths. Perhaps the fact that our best player has recently said he's not bothered if he doesn't play in the Premier again says something about desire. It's all well and good saying family and happiness come first but at Stoke he has the chance to do both but where was his passion today? MON is right. Too many players go through the motions without showing any real desire or anger with themselves or team mates. I’m talking about Milwall’s sub and our lack of reaction to it until it was too late. Though taking Brown off seemed like an odd call to me as well unless he was injured. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 5, 2021 17:17:46 GMT
There’s a time and a place for home truths, but not sure how clever it is to throw your players under the bus publicly when you’re open to scrutiny over your own culpability for a poor result. Are you talking about the subs? Surely 3 of the biggest earners at the club should be expected to change the game? Apart from Rabbi I can't see why any of those subs should get upset by the home truths. Perhaps the fact that our best player has recently said he's not bothered if he doesn't play in the Premier again says something about desire. It's all well and good saying family and happiness come first but at Stoke he has the chance to do both but where was his passion today? MON is right. Too many players go through the motions without showing any real desire or anger with themselves or team mates. Campbell has never played in the Prem has he? |
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 5, 2021 17:18:27 GMT
I don’t have a problem with that at all if it’s done sparingly and with recognition of one’s own failings as well. When you’re blaming the players after a game in which you’ve been tactically outdone by a remedial though I’m not sure it’s a great look. Most managers recognise their own failings I'm sure, but apart from once in a blue moon rarely come out and say "I got it wrong" or "I could have done better". O'Neill is no different. And as stated previously I believe saying he was "tactically outdone" is massively stretching it, "a drab second half was turned on its head by a woeful piece of defending" is more accurate....... I'm sure he has said he made mistakes after more than one match this season and has certainly been very restrained in his criticism of our performances. As far as I can see he has talked in general terms about the players not picked out one which he could well have done. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 5, 2021 17:18:34 GMT
Did he really single Vokes out for praise? 🙂
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Post by franklin on Apr 5, 2021 17:19:54 GMT
Did he really single Vokes out for praise? 🙂 Thats gross misconduct on its own 😂 |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 17:20:13 GMT
Most managers recognise their own failings I'm sure, but apart from once in a blue moon rarely come out and say "I got it wrong" or "I could have done better". O'Neill is no different. And as stated previously I believe saying he was "tactically outdone" is massively stretching it, "a drab second half was turned on its head by a woeful piece of defending" is more accurate....... I'm sure he has said he made mistakes after more than one match this season and has certainly been very restrained in his criticism of our performances. As far as I can see he has talked in general terms about the players not picked out one which he could well have done. Even in general terms there’s only so many times you can play that card. |
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Post by theteacher on Apr 5, 2021 17:22:24 GMT
Did he really single Vokes out for praise? 🙂 Not really. He made comments around not being on long enough, where-as the other substitutes had been on long enough but didn’t effect the game. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 5, 2021 17:23:06 GMT
Are you talking about the subs? Surely 3 of the biggest earners at the club should be expected to change the game? Apart from Rabbi I can't see why any of those subs should get upset by the home truths. Perhaps the fact that our best player has recently said he's not bothered if he doesn't play in the Premier again says something about desire. It's all well and good saying family and happiness come first but at Stoke he has the chance to do both but where was his passion today? MON is right. Too many players go through the motions without showing any real desire or anger with themselves or team mates. I’m talking about Milwall’s sub and our lack of reaction to it until it was too late. Though taking Brown off seemed like an odd call to me as well unless he was injured. To be fair though we were restricting them even if they did wrestle the control from us second half. Then we make one sub which shouldn't really have effected the defence and all of a sudden we are totally exposed. We just don't seem to have a player who can come on as sub and follow instructions or effect the game. I get fed up of hearing "The difference between the teams is the strength of Stoke's bench and the options they can bring on." |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 5, 2021 17:23:59 GMT
Did he really single Vokes out for praise? 🙂 Not really. He made comments around not being on long enough, where-as the other substitutes had been on long enough but didn’t effect the game. Cheers. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 5, 2021 17:25:13 GMT
Most managers recognise their own failings I'm sure, but apart from once in a blue moon rarely come out and say "I got it wrong" or "I could have done better". O'Neill is no different. And as stated previously I believe saying he was "tactically outdone" is massively stretching it, "a drab second half was turned on its head by a woeful piece of defending" is more accurate....... We were stymied second half by their sub, which allowed them to start coming into the game more. There have been a few home games this season where a promising first half performance has given way to a much poorer second half one following the opponents making a change that we don’t react to.It might of course be a total coincidence but equally it’s not difficult to see it as a bit of an emerging pattern. Or to put it another way a few home games where O'Neill has had the team set up to dominate possession and territory only for wayward finishing and poor decision making not putting the game to bed. Could he have done more to be proactive 2nd half? Absolutely, 10 or so minutes before his first change. Would it have necessarily worked? I'm not so sure with the options we had. Was it his fault we LOST the game? No that's on highly experienced Championship defender Danny Batth....... |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 5, 2021 17:25:16 GMT
Did he really single Vokes out for praise? 🙂 No he said none of the subs made an impact on the OS post match interview |
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