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Post by yyy on Apr 5, 2021 17:25:21 GMT
It may have been a case that he quietly hadn't completely give up on the play offs until today.
Wether he had or not, that football is a cure for insomnia, I genuinely had to switch off before I slipped into a coma.
Do we intentionally try to bore the fans to death or does it come naturally
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 17:25:28 GMT
I’m talking about Milwall’s sub and our lack of reaction to it until it was too late. Though taking Brown off seemed like an odd call to me as well unless he was injured. To be fair though we were restricting them even if they did wrestle the control from us second half. Then we make one sub which shouldn't really have effected the defence and all of a sudden we are totally exposed. We just don't seem to have a player who can come on as sub and follow instructions or effect the game. I get fed up of hearing "The difference between the teams is the strength of Stoke's bench and the options they can bring on." Of course we were ‘restricting’ them, it was a Gary Rowett team away from home. But first half were were able to spend most of the game comfortably on the front foot, and after that change we were completely wrongfooted and off our stride for the rest of the game.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 5, 2021 17:26:12 GMT
Are you talking about the subs? Surely 3 of the biggest earners at the club should be expected to change the game? Apart from Rabbi I can't see why any of those subs should get upset by the home truths. Perhaps the fact that our best player has recently said he's not bothered if he doesn't play in the Premier again says something about desire. It's all well and good saying family and happiness come first but at Stoke he has the chance to do both but where was his passion today? MON is right. Too many players go through the motions without showing any real desire or anger with themselves or team mates. Campbell has never played in the Prem has he? True but not the player I'm talking about. Campbell has proved by how much we've missed him how pathetic the others are.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 17:28:41 GMT
We were stymied second half by their sub, which allowed them to start coming into the game more. There have been a few home games this season where a promising first half performance has given way to a much poorer second half one following the opponents making a change that we don’t react to.It might of course be a total coincidence but equally it’s not difficult to see it as a bit of an emerging pattern. Or to put it another way a few home games where O'Neill has had the team set up to dominate possession and territory only for wayward finishing and poor decision making not putting the game to bed. Could he have done more to be proactive 2nd half? Absolutely, 10 or so minutes before his first change. Would it have necessarily worked? I'm not so sure with the options we had. Was it his fault we LOST the game? No that's on highly experienced Championship defender Danny Batth....... I take the point that to an extent he’s shuffling deck chairs with the creative options he’s got, but equally there’s a reason why we go from looking the likeliest team to score and playing some tidy stuff to slowly losing our grip on the game, and that has more than once coincided with the introduction of an influential substitute by our opponent’s and our lack of reaction to it.
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Post by sticky on Apr 5, 2021 17:30:14 GMT
Seems like a similar pattern of blaming the manager for everything is emerging. We’ve gone from having a really shit team to an average one, that’s progress in itself. Give the man a break ffs
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 5, 2021 17:31:21 GMT
Campbell has never played in the Prem has he? True but not the player I'm talking about. Campbell has proved by how much we've missed him how pathetic the others are. And I would add that short on confidence and skill as Brown is I am beginning to hate to see him go off because he seems to be the only one with any passion. Norrington Davies seems to have lost his passion since the sending off. I would go so far as to say without Brown the only one with any passion is JOM which is embarrassing.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 17:31:59 GMT
Seems like a similar pattern of blaming the manager for everything is emerging. We’ve gone from having a really shit team to an average one, that’s progress in itself. Give the man a break ffs I don’t think it is that, no.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Apr 5, 2021 17:32:19 GMT
If they see that as being thrown under the bus it's probably best if they move on anyway. Over the course of a season managers try defending their players, tough love, praising them for averageness, and whatever they can to get a tune out of them. The sad truth is that some of our dead wood barely respond to any of the above....... I don’t have a problem with that at all if it’s done sparingly and with recognition of one’s own failings as well. When you’re blaming the players after a game in which you’ve been tactically outdone by a remedial though I’m not sure it’s a great look. 'tactically outdone',is that a late April fools joke.Fuck me.
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Post by sticky on Apr 5, 2021 17:33:01 GMT
Ah right sack him and get someone else in them
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 17:33:28 GMT
I don’t have a problem with that at all if it’s done sparingly and with recognition of one’s own failings as well. When you’re blaming the players after a game in which you’ve been tactically outdone by a remedial though I’m not sure it’s a great look. 'tactically outdone',is that a late April fools joke.Fuck me. No, it isn’t. April Fool’s Day is rubbish and it was several days ago.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 17:33:41 GMT
Ah right sack him and get someone else in them Nobody is saying that.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Apr 5, 2021 17:35:12 GMT
'tactically outdone',is that a late April fools joke.Fuck me. No, it isn’t. April Fool’s Day is rubbish and it was several days ago. Well done,you got that right.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 17:35:50 GMT
No, it isn’t. April Fool’s Day is rubbish and it was several days ago. Well done,you got that right. Thanks, appreciate the congrats.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Apr 5, 2021 17:38:13 GMT
Well done,you got that right. Thanks, appreciate the congrats. It's not going to work if we're both sarcastic.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 17:39:43 GMT
Thanks, appreciate the congrats. It's not going to work if we're both sarcastic. I assumed you were going to put forth some kind of half-cogent argument as to why you don’t agree...
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 5, 2021 17:39:57 GMT
He's just actually said "None of the subs had the impact that we wanted except Vokes" He mentioned the other players that came on in the quote but said not Vokes 🤦🏻♂️ Grow a pair and give a couple of youngsters some game time, nothing to lose and it CAN'T get any worse than it is already Somebody cleverer than me, maybe one of the analytics people, needs to explain this to me in simple terms. So far as I can see, Vokes offers absolutely nothing. He's pushing 30 appearances with one goal to show for it. He doesn't seem to affect the game with or without the ball. In fact, I can only think of one result this season (Cardiff home) that has changed after he entered the pitch. I don't think I'm alone in this. I'm not saying this to pile in and criticise, but to try and understand what it is that he's doing that the manager wants. What does he see in him? Why would he say he did his job today when I can't even recall him touching the ball, pressing or anything else? I just want to know! Even the normally excellent Denis Smith, who can usually give a good account of a manager's thought process, hasn't been able to conjure up any suggestions.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 5, 2021 17:40:24 GMT
There’s a few managers not happy tonight 😄
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 17:44:27 GMT
I've totally committed to the mindset that we will be a Championship club for years to come.
It's been one shambles after another since we were relegated, and in all honesty I can't see it getting better any time soon.
This club needs a rehaul, and soon.
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 5, 2021 17:46:43 GMT
I've totally committed to the mindset that we will be a Championship club for years to come. It's been one shambles after another since we were relegated, and in all honesty I can't see it getting better any time soon. This club needs a rehaul, and soon. We need a complete overhaul, and it should start way above the playing and management /coaching staff. Top to bottom
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Post by werrington on Apr 5, 2021 17:46:50 GMT
There’s a few managers not happy tonight 😄 He was equally as scathing after Fridays match
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 5, 2021 17:48:06 GMT
There’s a few managers not happy tonight 😄 He was equally as scathing after Fridays match You can tell by the regular pauses that he was really fighting back the urge to say something that he knew he shouldn't
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Post by Gods on Apr 5, 2021 17:49:45 GMT
There’s a time and a place for home truths, but not sure how clever it is to throw your players under the bus publicly when you’re open to scrutiny over your own culpability for a poor result. It's a worry if he's right though isn't it? I mean I thought all our good players had been sent to Coventry (not literally!) I mean sent out on loss making loans since while they may be decent they weren't a jot bit interested in playing for Stoke City in the Championship. I thought the least we could expect from the journeymen left behind is that they would die for the cause.
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Post by a on Apr 5, 2021 17:51:55 GMT
“Too many players don’t have the desire to take us to the next level” “None of the subs were effective” The most pissed off ive heard him And who's fault is that Michael? Yea it’s his fault for the deadwood. You aren’t very clever are you, 😂
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Post by stokerstayinup on Apr 5, 2021 17:52:08 GMT
It's not going to work if we're both sarcastic. I assumed you were going to put forth some kind of half-cogent argument as to why you don’t agree... Was just checking you weren't on the wind up.For me Powell is integral to our plan and he had his worst game in a Stoke shirt today.O'Neill's subs made no impact (don't want to see Matondo again). Their winning goal came from a regular brain fade from Batth,can't remember Davies having a save to make.Thought we were were the better team even after their change in the second half.Struggling to see where Rowett got one up on him.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 5, 2021 17:52:55 GMT
There’s a time and a place for home truths, but not sure how clever it is to throw your players under the bus publicly when you’re open to scrutiny over your own culpability for a poor result. It's a worry if he's right though isn't it? I mean I thought all our good players had been sent to Coventry (not literally!) I mean sent out on loss making loans since while they may be decent they weren't a jot bit interested in playing for Stoke City in the Championship. I thought the least we could expect from the journeymen left behind is that they would die for the cause. If I was a betting man I'd say it was aimed particularly at McClean and Clucas, yes they've had stop start seasons with injuries/Covid etc. but my gut feeling is he's had enough of both of them and with them being high earners would love to get rid.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2021 17:53:09 GMT
He needs to look in the mirror.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 5, 2021 17:53:37 GMT
There’s a few managers not happy tonight 😄 He was equally as scathing after Fridays match Yes mate he was,I’d have love to have been a fly on the wall after today’s performance 😮
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Post by a on Apr 5, 2021 17:53:51 GMT
When you wonder why the pandemic is still ongoing , just read this thread.....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 5, 2021 17:54:17 GMT
He needs to look in the mirror. Self reflection is part of the job, I'm sure he will.....
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 5, 2021 17:54:18 GMT
Rowett’s thoughts
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