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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 5, 2021 17:56:55 GMT
I can't concentrate with those ears
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Post by tosh on Apr 5, 2021 17:57:34 GMT
Seems like a similar pattern of blaming the manager for everything is emerging. We’ve gone from having a really shit team to an average one, that’s progress in itself. Give the man a break ffs We’ve improved on the Nathan team. We are however, worse under MON this season than we were under MON last season. We have a lower points per game ratio under MON this season than last. We are less entertaining too, because we had some 3, 4 and 5 goal wins. Is that an improvement or sign of progress?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2021 17:58:02 GMT
He needs to look in the mirror. Self reflection is part of the job, I'm sure he will..... He hasn’t shown much of it this season. Getting out coached by Rowett showing one of those mistakes he keeps making, up again.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 5, 2021 17:58:57 GMT
Self reflection is part of the job, I'm sure he will..... He hasn’t shown much of it this season. Getting out coached by Rowett showing one of those mistakes he keeps making, up again. A balls up by Danny Batth doesn't equate to being outcoached though no matter how many times people type it........
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 5, 2021 18:00:34 GMT
Self reflection is part of the job, I'm sure he will..... He hasn’t shown much of it this season. Getting out coached by Rowett showing one of those mistakes he keeps making, up again. “Out coached”? Because GR threw on a defensive midfielder at half time to shore things up a bit? What would you have done to counter this tactical master stroke? We lost today because Danny Batth fell over on his arse and gifted them a goal, its as simple as that.
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Post by Gods on Apr 5, 2021 18:01:17 GMT
Crumbs, I don't think I'm quite ready for that, watching Gary jerking himself off I mean.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 5, 2021 18:02:08 GMT
Campbell has never played in the Prem has he? True but not the player I'm talking about. Campbell has proved by how much we've missed him how pathetic the others are. I missed it sorry, who was it that said it, I can't think who it could be, Powell maybe?
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Post by sticky on Apr 5, 2021 18:03:55 GMT
Seems like a similar pattern of blaming the manager for everything is emerging. We’ve gone from having a really shit team to an average one, that’s progress in itself. Give the man a break ffs We’ve improved on the Nathan team. We are however, worse under MON this season than we were under MON last season. We have a lower points per game ratio under MON this season than last. We are less entertaining too, because we had some 3, 4 and 5 goal wins. Is that an improvement or sign of progress? With the group of players he’s got in amazed we’re not in the bottom half. It’ll take a long time to remove “the deadwood” whoever comes in will have the same problems imo
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2021 18:04:09 GMT
He hasn’t shown much of it this season. Getting out coached by Rowett showing one of those mistakes he keeps making, up again. A balls up by Danny Batth doesn't equate to being outcoached though no matter how many times people type it........ Rowett did him. That sub gave them the control of the game and we weren’t in it. He didn’t react to it.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 5, 2021 18:04:20 GMT
There’s a few managers not happy tonight 😄 He was equally as scathing after Fridays match Mick McCarthy might be good one as well😄
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2021 18:05:02 GMT
He hasn’t shown much of it this season. Getting out coached by Rowett showing one of those mistakes he keeps making, up again. “Out coached”? Because GR threw on a defensive midfielder at half time to shore things up a bit? What would you have done to counter this tactical master stroke? We lost today because Danny Batth fell over on his arse and gifted them a goal, its as simple as that. Danny Batth wouldn’t have been the pitch that’s for sure. 3 at the back at home is nuts anyway.
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 5, 2021 18:05:53 GMT
"At one point I looked at the subs and saw Vokes, Clucas and McClean and thought wow, wouldn't that be nice?" Well it was once upon a time Gary and you set them up for a 0-0 at home to Bolton. The absolute fucking neck on it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 18:06:19 GMT
There’s a time and a place for home truths, but not sure how clever it is to throw your players under the bus publicly when you’re open to scrutiny over your own culpability for a poor result. It's a worry if he's right though isn't it? I mean I thought all our good players had been sent to Coventry (not literally!) I mean sent out on loss making loans since while they may be decent they weren't a jot bit interested in playing for Stoke City in the Championship. I thought the least we could expect from the journeymen left behind is that they would die for the cause. For what it’s worth I honestly don’t think lack of effort is the problem.
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 5, 2021 18:06:32 GMT
He hasn’t shown much of it this season. Getting out coached by Rowett showing one of those mistakes he keeps making, up again. A balls up by Danny Batth doesn't equate to being outcoached though no matter how many times people type it........ Don't set him a challenge ferfucksake - this thread will run until next Thursday else!
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Post by spoton on Apr 5, 2021 18:06:38 GMT
We’ve improved on the Nathan team. We are however, worse under MON this season than we were under MON last season. We have a lower points per game ratio under MON this season than last. We are less entertaining too, because we had some 3, 4 and 5 goal wins. Is that an improvement or sign of progress? With the group of players he’s got in amazed we’re not in the bottom half. It’ll take a long time to remove “the deadwood” whoever comes in will have the same problems imo Think people forget O'Neill brought in deadwood as well
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 5, 2021 18:07:08 GMT
"At one point I looked at the subs and saw Vokes, Clucas and McClean and thought wow, wouldn't that be nice?" Well it was once upon a time Gary and you set them up for a 0-0 at home to Bolton. The absolute fucking neck on it. Yes that comment did make me smile
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 5, 2021 18:07:25 GMT
“Out coached”? Because GR threw on a defensive midfielder at half time to shore things up a bit? What would you have done to counter this tactical master stroke? We lost today because Danny Batth fell over on his arse and gifted them a goal, its as simple as that. Danny Batth wouldn’t have been the pitch that’s for sure. 3 at the back at home is nuts anyway. It’s been quite clearly our best system in recent weeks. So to be clear, without any benefit of hindsight (because you didn’t mention anything at the time on the match day thread) you’re response to GR bringing on a DM would have been to take off Danny Batth? And who would you have brought on?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 5, 2021 18:07:36 GMT
A balls up by Danny Batth doesn't equate to being outcoached though no matter how many times people type it........ Rowett did him. That sub gave them the control of the game and we weren’t in it. He didn’t react to it. They didn't have control of the game, the game had become a stalemate. There's a huge diffefrence. He did react to it (albeit 10 minutes too late in my opinion), he didn't expect Batth to gift them a goal 90 seconds late though.......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2021 18:09:09 GMT
Danny Batth wouldn’t have been the pitch that’s for sure. 3 at the back at home is nuts anyway. It’s been quite clearly our best system in recent weeks. So to be clear, without any benefit of hindsight (because you didn’t mention anything at the time on the match day thread) you’re response to GR bringing on a DM would have been to take off Danny Batth? And who would you have brought on? We’ve been dour. And it should never be used at home, ever. Clucas for the left wing.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 5, 2021 18:09:23 GMT
I assumed you were going to put forth some kind of half-cogent argument as to why you don’t agree... Was just checking you weren't on the wind up.For me Powell is integral to our plan and he had his worst game in a Stoke shirt today.O'Neill's subs made no impact (don't want to see Matondo again). Their winning goal came from a regular brain fade from Batth,can't remember Davies having a save to make.Thought we were were the better team even after their change in the second half.Struggling to see where Rowett got one up on him. Thought we were awful second half and they were able to get a foothold in the game. First half there was the vague feeling we might create something, second half we never got near them as they were choking our attacks before they got going with their extra man in midfield.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 5, 2021 18:09:30 GMT
Danny Batth wouldn’t have been the pitch that’s for sure. 3 at the back at home is nuts anyway. It’s been quite clearly our best system in recent weeks. So to be clear, without any benefit of hindsight (because you didn’t mention anything at the time on the match day thread) you’re response to GR bringing on a DM would have been to take off Danny Batth? And who would you have brought on? The beauty of being a manager at home watching telly. "I would have taken off (insert player who made a mistake) if I was O'Neill" "If we'd played 4 at the back we'd have definitely, 100% won that game"
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2021 18:10:39 GMT
Rowett did him. That sub gave them the control of the game and we weren’t in it. He didn’t react to it. They didn't have control of the game, the game had become a stalemate. There's a huge diffefrence. He did react to it (albeit 10 minutes too late in my opinion), he didn't expect Batth to gift them a goal 90 seconds late though....... That had control. We were doing nothing and they were prodding. Batth shouldn’t be playing period. That awful management in itself. 3 at the back at home is sheer co....stupidity.
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Post by sticky on Apr 5, 2021 18:11:12 GMT
With the group of players he’s got in amazed we’re not in the bottom half. It’ll take a long time to remove “the deadwood” whoever comes in will have the same problems imo Think people forget O'Neill brought in deadwood as well All managers bring in deadwood, the problem has been the money spent on deadwood...quite simple really do you think he’s the man to rebuild the club or not?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2021 18:11:52 GMT
It’s been quite clearly our best system in recent weeks. So to be clear, without any benefit of hindsight (because you didn’t mention anything at the time on the match day thread) you’re response to GR bringing on a DM would have been to take off Danny Batth? And who would you have brought on? The beauty of being a manager at home watching telly. "I would have taken off (insert player who made a mistake) if I was O'Neill" "If we'd played 4 at the back we'd have definitely, 100% won that game" MON has been shocking this season and needs a rocket up his arse. Today is just another example of a continuation of him making the same basic errors.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 5, 2021 18:11:57 GMT
They didn't have control of the game, the game had become a stalemate. There's a huge diffefrence. He did react to it (albeit 10 minutes too late in my opinion), he didn't expect Batth to gift them a goal 90 seconds late though....... That had control. We were doing nothing and they were prodding. Batth shouldn’t be playing period. That awful management in itself. 3 at the back at home is sheer co....stupidity. Ah they were "prodding" That explains it then, if they were "prodding" then we must have been all at sea.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 5, 2021 18:12:09 GMT
Let's face it, tactical guru Rowett just stuck an extra body in midfield to try and get them a foothold in a game they were fortunate to be level in.
It worked.
But I'm not sure there's always another a chess move that MON could've countered with to try and regain the upper hand. We're down to the bare bones and if the move was bringing Clucas on, who's not match-fit and has largely stunk the place out this season, it was probably never going to be a killer.
It was a tight game between two poor teams. We lost due to a Danny Batth special.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2021 18:13:19 GMT
That had control. We were doing nothing and they were prodding. Batth shouldn’t be playing period. That awful management in itself. 3 at the back at home is sheer co....stupidity. Ah they were "prodding" That explains it then, if they were "prodding" then we must have been all at sea. No we were pretty toothless all game.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 5, 2021 18:13:20 GMT
It’s been quite clearly our best system in recent weeks. So to be clear, without any benefit of hindsight (because you didn’t mention anything at the time on the match day thread) you’re response to GR bringing on a DM would have been to take off Danny Batth? And who would you have brought on? We’ve been dour. And it should never be used at home, ever. Clucas for the left wing. Clucas on the left wing eh... Fuck me what a stupid suggestion
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2021 18:14:53 GMT
Let's face it, tactical guru Rowett just stuck an extra body in midfield to try and get them a foothold in a game they were fortunate to be level in. It worked. But I'm not sure there's always another a chess move that MON could've countered with to try and regain the upper hand. We're down to the bare bones and if the move was bringing Clucas on, who's not match-fit and has largely stunk the place out this season, it was probably never going to be a killer. It was a tight game between two poor teams. We lost due to a Danny Batth special. He did and it gave them control. Not sure they were lucky to be level? We created fuck all. The first half was poor, I’m not having we played well. Shitting yourself getting to the 18 yard line isn’t playing well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2021 18:16:48 GMT
We’ve been dour. And it should never be used at home, ever. Clucas for the left wing. Clucas on the left wing eh... Fuck me what a stupid suggestion Why? Allows a goalscorer to be on the pitch and in a role where it doesn’t overly matter if he goes missing occasionally. Adds a threat and a quality crosser. We looked impotent up front. Powell, Brown and Fletcher created one chance of note in the game and nothing else. It need freshening up.
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