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Post by cdf on Apr 11, 2021 9:29:10 GMT
What’s most important for him will be financial security for him & his family. The difference in wages we are talking about here is not just a couple of hundred quid a week but potentially 1000’s of pounds per week. Is a massive difference at the level of contract he is on or can attract. We have just wasted £2m on jinking Jacob Brown. The point that I’m trying to make is, say for eg Powell is on £20k (I have no idea what he is actually on). His new contract goes down to £18k a week, even that £100k per year difference is a massive loss which another team, anywhere in the U.K. might not pay the difference
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 11, 2021 9:36:24 GMT
We have just wasted £2m on jinking Jacob Brown. The point that I’m trying to make is, say for eg Powell is on £20k (I have no idea what he is actually on). His new contract goes down to £18k a week, even that £200k per year difference is a massive loss which another team, anywhere in the U.K. might not pay the difference We could have made up the £200k a year difference 10 times over if we hadn't signed Brown.
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Post by Pirate on Apr 11, 2021 9:44:11 GMT
Mikel & Chester renewed but we cant pay Powell
Gunn, Matondo, Clarke signed but we cant pay Powell
Thompson, TOB, Brown bought in but we cant pay Powell
wtf are they thinking down there???
It would be defensible if we hadn't spent the last 2 windows signing more dross that hasn't improved us one iota & to publicly put yourself out of the running for your own player like this, jesus christ
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Post by thevoid on Apr 11, 2021 10:05:27 GMT
And amidst all this, the consistently poor performances, the poor results, the abysmal win ratio of 6 wins in 27 games (I think that's the current stat), the manager's outbursts in interviews (like today), MON repeatedly throwing players under a fleet of busses, the impending Season Ticket offer, FFP restrictions, players out on loan, in fact the whole sorry mess........I wonder what is being said (if anything) at Board level ? Is it the now infamous "what's all the fuss about", or "what the hell do we do now ?". I'm surprised it's as many as six in 27
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 11, 2021 10:27:26 GMT
Mikel & Chester renewed but we cant pay Powell Gunn, Matondo, Clarke signed but we cant pay Powell Thompson, TOB, Brown bought in but we cant pay Powell wtf are they thinking down there??? It would be defensible if we hadn't spent the last 2 windows signing more dross that hasn't improved us one iota & to publicly put yourself out of the running for your own player like this, jesus christ Mikel and Chester have not renewed they've taken up the option of a second season which was agreed when they signed last summer and are both players MON likes and wants to keep. Powell has another year left so as long as we offload in the summer you would imagine an extension will be negotiated with Powell assuming he wants to stay. The problem is the players given 5 year contracts like Wimmer and N'diaye and the strange extension given to Bauer and the contract given to Etebo when we had no manager to sanction them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2021 10:32:08 GMT
Mikel & Chester renewed but we cant pay Powell Gunn, Matondo, Clarke signed but we cant pay Powell Thompson, TOB, Brown bought in but we cant pay Powell wtf are they thinking down there??? It would be defensible if we hadn't spent the last 2 windows signing more dross that hasn't improved us one iota & to publicly put yourself out of the running for your own player like this, jesus christ Mikel and Chester have not renewed they've taken up the option of a second season which was agreed when they signed last summer and are both players MON likes and wants to keep. Powell has another year left so as long as we offload in the summer you would imagine an extension will be negotiated with Powell assuming he wants to stay. The problem is the players given 5 year contracts like Wimmer and N'diaye and the strange extension given to Bauer and the contract given to Etebo when we had no manager to sanction them. He likes Mikel and Chester and you say it like that’s ok.
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Post by Pirate on Apr 11, 2021 10:46:23 GMT
Mikel & Chester renewed but we cant pay Powell Gunn, Matondo, Clarke signed but we cant pay Powell Thompson, TOB, Brown bought in but we cant pay Powell wtf are they thinking down there??? It would be defensible if we hadn't spent the last 2 windows signing more dross that hasn't improved us one iota & to publicly put yourself out of the running for your own player like this, jesus christ Mikel and Chester have not renewed they've taken up the option of a second season which was agreed when they signed last summer and are both players MON likes and wants to keep. Powell has another year left so as long as we offload in the summer you would imagine an extension will be negotiated with Powell assuming he wants to stay. The problem is the players given 5 year contracts like Wimmer and N'diaye and the strange extension given to Bauer and the contract given to Etebo when we had no manager to sanction them. You know this for a fact? & the other 6 players i mentioned?
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Post by christhepotter on Apr 11, 2021 10:52:36 GMT
Mikel and Chester have not renewed they've taken up the option of a second season which was agreed when they signed last summer and are both players MON likes and wants to keep. Powell has another year left so as long as we offload in the summer you would imagine an extension will be negotiated with Powell assuming he wants to stay. The problem is the players given 5 year contracts like Wimmer and N'diaye and the strange extension given to Bauer and the contract given to Etebo when we had no manager to sanction them. You know this for a fact? & the other 6 players i mentioned? It’s well documented about Mikel & Chesters having it in their contracts option of second season
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Post by Pirate on Apr 11, 2021 11:00:35 GMT
You know this for a fact? & the other 6 players i mentioned? It’s well documented about Mikel & Chesters having it in their contracts option of second season The option yes, but who's option, the clubs or players? I have not heard of many instances where the players choose to renew there own contracts?
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 11, 2021 11:01:37 GMT
You know this for a fact? & the other 6 players i mentioned? It’s well documented about Mikel & Chesters having it in their contracts option of second season Who in gods name agreed to that both over the hill and past their best, MON made sure they both made enough appearances to trigger the clause, where is this club going.
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Post by christhepotter on Apr 11, 2021 11:03:10 GMT
It’s well documented about Mikel & Chesters having it in their contracts option of second season The option yes, but who's option, the clubs or players? I have not heard of many instances where the players choose to renew there own contracts? It’s what Stoke Live reported
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Post by Pirate on Apr 11, 2021 11:07:59 GMT
The option yes, but who's option, the clubs or players? I have not heard of many instances where the players choose to renew there own contracts? It’s what Stoke Live reported I wont disagree as i cant recall that only MON sounding like he was happy with there contribution so we would take the option of a second year, the only way the club wouldn't be able to veto the renewals was if they were appearance based imo, which would be a different argument.
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Post by questionable on Apr 11, 2021 11:12:55 GMT
All three of the Coates family who are on the Board were in attendance yesterday. They must be getting a trifle concerned. We all are but between the 3 of them they haven’t got a friggin clue and it’s one disaster after another, the club should have been put up for sale when Peter Coates took a back seat, there’s an irreversible trend and it’s undoubtedly going to get a whole lot worse very soon. If there’s any saving grace Junior and Scholes will be out ofthe club if it’s sold.
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Post by christhepotter on Apr 11, 2021 11:16:37 GMT
All three of the Coates family who are on the Board were in attendance yesterday. They must be getting a trifle concerned. We all are but between the 3 of them they haven’t got a friggin clue and it’s one disaster after another, the club should have been put up for sale when Peter Coates took a back seat, there’s an irreversible trend and it’s undoubtedly going to get a whole lot worse very soon. If there’s any saving grace Junior and Scholes will be out ofthe club if it’s sold. And who’s going to buy us , no one with the Coate’s money would be remotely interested, they’ve made mistakes yes but also they have done wonders for our club
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Post by datguy on Apr 11, 2021 11:17:57 GMT
Doughty and Brown signings seeming all the more odd...
Souttar had his contract renewed a few months back didn't he? As did Mikel and Chester.
It's a shame but surely we've simply got to sell Nathan Collins in the summer?
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Post by christhepotter on Apr 11, 2021 11:22:55 GMT
Doughty and Brown signings seeming all the more odd... Souttar had his contract renewed a few months back didn't he? As did Mikel and Chester. It's a shame but surely we've simply got to sell Nathan Collins in the summer? Unfortunately with ffp I can’t see us not selling one of Souttar or Collins , and I don’t think we will get much more than 10mil as everyone knows our situation
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Post by datguy on Apr 11, 2021 11:27:01 GMT
Doughty and Brown signings seeming all the more odd... Souttar had his contract renewed a few months back didn't he? As did Mikel and Chester. It's a shame but surely we've simply got to sell Nathan Collins in the summer? Unfortunately with ffp I can’t see us not selling one of Souttar or Collins , and I don’t think we will get much more than 10mil as everyone knows our situation £15m for Collins. Anything less than that then the board or whoever is in charge of accepting it need hounding out. He's one of the brightest prospects in the country and there was some big hitters in for him in January. Our situation shouldn't really come into it with Collins. Birmingham were in the shitter but managed to hold out for £30m when selling Bellingham... No doubt 'the situation' will be used to defend a typically undervalue fee...
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 11, 2021 11:28:21 GMT
Doughty and Brown signings seeming all the more odd... Souttar had his contract renewed a few months back didn't he? As did Mikel and Chester. It's a shame but surely we've simply got to sell Nathan Collins in the summer? Unfortunately with ffp I can’t see us not selling one of Souttar or Collins , and I don’t think we will get much more than 10mil as everyone knows our situation If the incompetent mismanagement of the club leads to us selling either for less than £15m the fans should boycott the games until Teflon is sacked.
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Post by christhepotter on Apr 11, 2021 11:38:33 GMT
Unfortunately with ffp I can’t see us not selling one of Souttar or Collins , and I don’t think we will get much more than 10mil as everyone knows our situation £15m for Collins. Anything less than that then the board or whoever is in charge of accepting it need hounding out. He's one of the brightest prospects in the country and there was some big hitters in for him in January. Our situation shouldn't really come into it with Collins. Birmingham were in the shitter but managed to hold out for £30m when selling Bellingham... No doubt 'the situation' will be used to defend a typically undervalue fee... Didn’t Birmingham get a points deduction for not selling Bellingham sooner to clear ffp ?
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 11, 2021 11:46:08 GMT
Mikel and Chester have not renewed they've taken up the option of a second season which was agreed when they signed last summer and are both players MON likes and wants to keep. Powell has another year left so as long as we offload in the summer you would imagine an extension will be negotiated with Powell assuming he wants to stay. The problem is the players given 5 year contracts like Wimmer and N'diaye and the strange extension given to Bauer and the contract given to Etebo when we had no manager to sanction them. You know this for a fact? & the other 6 players i mentioned? Know what for a fact? If you are talking about us negotiating with Powell, no I don't but he can't negotiate with anybody else either this summer and it depends on him and what he wants as much as us. Gunn, Matondo and Clark are loans and unless you believe everything you read we don't know if any of them will be here next year. We will certainly have to pay another gk if we intend loaning out Bursik but Southampton have said they can loan out Gunn to another club if a better offer comes in. Spurs papers are saying Clark will go somewhere that can guarantee playing time and starts rather than substitute appearances which with Doughty available may not be us and I can't imagine us wanting Matondo back. Thompson and Brown are both young players who are on a lot less wages than Powell you would imagine and could well end up being useful - I for one have seen improvement in both especially Thompson recently. I imagine Powell earns more than the two of them combined and although our most creative player is not worth two players especially when he performs like yesterday.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 11, 2021 11:51:22 GMT
Mikel and Chester have not renewed they've taken up the option of a second season which was agreed when they signed last summer and are both players MON likes and wants to keep. Powell has another year left so as long as we offload in the summer you would imagine an extension will be negotiated with Powell assuming he wants to stay. The problem is the players given 5 year contracts like Wimmer and N'diaye and the strange extension given to Bauer and the contract given to Etebo when we had no manager to sanction them. He likes Mikel and Chester and you say it like that’s ok. He's picking the team not us. For what it's worth I like Mikel and can see his influence on Thompson who is beginning to shield the ball in the same way and keep a bit calmer under pressure. I've never been sure about Chester but we need an experienced head in defence and with Ryan gone I prefer him to Bahht.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2021 11:53:35 GMT
He likes Mikel and Chester and you say it like that’s ok. He's picking the team not us. For what it's worth I like Mikel and can see his influence on Thompson who is beginning to shield the ball in the same way and keep a bit calmer under pressure. I've never been sure about Chester but we need an experienced head in defence and with Ryan gone I prefer him to Bahht. None of those mentioned are good enough to be regulars which is the issue.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 11, 2021 11:57:54 GMT
He's picking the team not us. For what it's worth I like Mikel and can see his influence on Thompson who is beginning to shield the ball in the same way and keep a bit calmer under pressure. I've never been sure about Chester but we need an experienced head in defence and with Ryan gone I prefer him to Bahht. None of those mentioned are good enough to be regulars which is the issue. I think Mikel and Thompson are showing signs of forming a very good partnership. Our problem is attacking/creative options and defenders who switch off or in the case of Batth continually give away free kicks and throw ins. Surely it's not rocket science that if the opposition are wasting time you keep the ball in play rather than kicking it out for throw ins or pushing players in the back a la Batth?
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Post by kustokie on Apr 11, 2021 12:03:29 GMT
Mikel & Chester renewed but we cant pay Powell Gunn, Matondo, Clarke signed but we cant pay Powell Thompson, TOB, Brown bought in but we cant pay Powell wtf are they thinking down there??? It would be defensible if we hadn't spent the last 2 windows signing more dross that hasn't improved us one iota & to publicly put yourself out of the running for your own player like this, jesus christ They can’t force Powell to sign a new contract. He may have no interest in a new contract if he wants to move on, which, based on recent performances and the chances of promotion have slipped away, I suspect he is.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 11, 2021 15:03:35 GMT
It may be a wage cap issue for future deals?
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 11, 2021 16:24:23 GMT
If we can't afford to offer Powell an attractive new deal, how are we going to be able to offer the better bosmans attractive options?.
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