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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 9:36:11 GMT
What are people's thoughts? Could he honestly have a career at right back? Is it doing him harm to play there now or is it beneficial to a long career to have a) first team experience and b) experience across the back line. I know that a number of "top" players who were never quite the best got more game time by being reliable in different positions: Wes Brown is one example.
Personally I feel he needs to be transitioned over to central defence, but Batth has mostly been fine since his reintroduction and Collins has done better than expected at right back, despite a questionable 5 minutes of craziness versus Wycombe.
With Ryan coming back soon and Souttar due to return in a few games, whats the possibility of a back three being formed with Ryan on the left?
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Post by ethers26 on Dec 5, 2020 9:38:08 GMT
Centre back all day long (and a very good one)
Up against better wingers he'll get rinsed.
He's been squared up too often already against fairly average oppo.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 5, 2020 9:42:45 GMT
It's fair to say we haven't missed Smith in the slightest but he's the best centre back we have so he should probably play there.
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 5, 2020 9:51:26 GMT
What are people's thoughts? Could he honestly have a career at right back? Is it doing him harm to play there now or is it beneficial to a long career to have a) first team experience and b) experience across the back line. I know that a number of "top" players who were never quite the best got more game time by being reliable in different positions: Wes Brown is one example. Personally I feel he needs to be transitioned over to central defence, but Batth has mostly been fine since his reintroduction and Collins has done better than expected at right back, despite a questionable 5 minutes of craziness versus Wycombe. With Ryan coming back soon and Souttar due to return in a few games, whats the possibility of a back three being formed with Ryan on the left? I remember Steve Bould playing a handful or more games at right back before moving inside for us. |
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Post by lordb on Dec 5, 2020 9:55:32 GMT
He's a brilliant prospect
Could easily have a great career at right back.
Suspect he could have a great career in midfield also.
However as a 'footballing' centre back is probably where he should play.
This bonkers season will continue with players missing chunks of it so those that play may find themselves playing not in their number one favoured position at times.
Next season if we are lucky enough to keep them looking forward to Collins pairing Souttar week in week out at the heart of the defence.
Both have to be close to full international call ups.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 5, 2020 10:00:15 GMT
Collins is going to be a top class center back. There's no debate about his best position.
Batth has had two good games against teams who are pumping the ball high but where the onus is not necessarily on us to control the game.
Today is one of those games where if Batth plays he will keep giving the ball away making us look shit and we lose - boro will let us have easy possession and do us on a mistake.
So we should thank Danny for his last two performances and stick him on the bench and stick Collins at center back, bring in Smith at RB
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 5, 2020 10:11:37 GMT
He's a brilliant prospect Could easily have a great career at right back. Suspect he could have a great career in midfield also. However as a 'footballing' centre back is probably where he should play. This bonkers season will continue with players missing chunks of it so those that play may find themselves playing not in their number one favoured position at times. Next season if we are lucky enough to keep them looking forward to Collins pairing Souttar week in week out at the heart of the defence. Both have to be close to full international call ups. Souttar already has 2 caps and outrageously 4 goals for Australia’s first team. But I know what you’re getting at. Collins can’t be too far off I imagine |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 10:18:47 GMT
How many missed opportunities have we had to fill the RB slot.
Collins is ace and will get better but play him at centre half for gods sake.
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Post by reddipotter on Dec 5, 2020 10:24:02 GMT
In the Championship there are lots of balls hoisted into the box. If your full backs aren’t particularly good in the air then you are going to struggle. Hence the three centre back system or Collins at right back.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 5, 2020 10:44:14 GMT
From what I've seen of him I think he could turn out to be a better right back than centre back.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 5, 2020 10:46:35 GMT
You defend as a unit so we have to play him in the position that works best within that unit. If that’s right back now so be it.
With regard his long term best position sadly I think will be of little interest to Stoke because he is bound to be picked off sooner rather than later. A top 6 club will probably move in at the end of the season to add him to their squad and if this Championship salary cap situation develops further any Tom , Dick or Crystal Palace is likely to take him as we won’t be able to pay him enough.
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Post by potterburt on Dec 5, 2020 10:52:10 GMT
When playing 3 CBS, the two outside have to cover the flanks so it’ll be good learning for him playing at RB, such an asset to being able to play a second position and managers always list a players possible cover when they are signed.
I’m not sure if shawX walks back into the first team, possibly lucky to get on the bench, so having Collins as back up CB and possible starter at RB for this season and a bit of next makes sense. Ryan, Baath and Chester only have a year or 2 left with us - by then Souttar and Collins will be well blooded into a class partnership.
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Post by lordb on Dec 5, 2020 10:56:34 GMT
He's a brilliant prospect Could easily have a great career at right back. Suspect he could have a great career in midfield also. However as a 'footballing' centre back is probably where he should play. This bonkers season will continue with players missing chunks of it so those that play may find themselves playing not in their number one favoured position at times. Next season if we are lucky enough to keep them looking forward to Collins pairing Souttar week in week out at the heart of the defence. Both have to be close to full international call ups. Souttar already has 2 caps and outrageously 4 goals for Australia’s first team. But I know what you’re getting at. Collins can’t be too far off I imagine Doh! Was thinking he hadn't been capped by Scotland yet... |
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Post by J-Roar on Dec 5, 2020 10:57:40 GMT
He's not a right back. Saw glimpses against Wednesday and Wycombe of vulnerability against fast wingers.
Decent fill in but long term a CH
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Dec 5, 2020 11:01:15 GMT
He will be a perfect centre half for a team which plays possession football and a very high line such as city.
Right back only for emergencies, in my opinion.
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Post by Scouse on Dec 5, 2020 11:22:09 GMT
What are people's thoughts? Could he honestly have a career at right back? Is it doing him harm to play there now or is it beneficial to a long career to have a) first team experience and b) experience across the back line. I know that a number of "top" players who were never quite the best got more game time by being reliable in different positions: Wes Brown is one example. Personally I feel he needs to be transitioned over to central defence, but Batth has mostly been fine since his reintroduction and Collins has done better than expected at right back, despite a questionable 5 minutes of craziness versus Wycombe. With Ryan coming back soon and Souttar due to return in a few games, whats the possibility of a back three being formed with Ryan on the left? I remember Steve Bould playing a handful or more games at right back before moving inside for us. Indeed ..I see it as part of his learning , development , as much as anything ..especially in modern systems that are seldom as rigid as years ago One of the things I like about MON ( and indeed presumably his coaches ) is the development of players ..ie just because you arrive in the first team ( squad) it doesn’t mean you stop developing , learning , being taught .. mid to longer term will hopefully aid his positional and future captain awareness of where dangers come from for his own natural position ( IMHO ) in the middle of the defence |
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Post by walrus on Dec 5, 2020 11:30:07 GMT
I understand the logic behind his recent games there. Smith needed a break and we’ve been up against direct sides where his extra height in the back line was an asset. And it’s worked, we’ve kept two clean sheets. I’d imagine he’ll play there again today but his future is very much at centre back.
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Post by walrus on Dec 5, 2020 11:33:28 GMT
He's a brilliant prospect Could easily have a great career at right back. Suspect he could have a great career in midfield also. However as a 'footballing' centre back is probably where he should play. This bonkers season will continue with players missing chunks of it so those that play may find themselves playing not in their number one favoured position at times. Next season if we are lucky enough to keep them looking forward to Collins pairing Souttar week in week out at the heart of the defence. Both have to be close to full international call ups. Souttar already has 2 caps and outrageously 4 goals for Australia’s first team. But I know what you’re getting at. Collins can’t be too far off I imagine Souttar’s international goalscoring record is less impressive when you consider that the goals came against Taiwan (average male height 5’7”) and Nepal (average male height 5’3”). It’s like in under 12s football when one kid has an early puberty and finds himself a foot taller than the rest. |
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Post by lstokie on Dec 5, 2020 11:36:37 GMT
He's best at CB but I don't think playing him at RB temporarily is going to hinder his progression. Being anywhere on the pitch is surely better than sitting on the bench.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 5, 2020 11:38:30 GMT
Souttar already has 2 caps and outrageously 4 goals for Australia’s first team. But I know what you’re getting at. Collins can’t be too far off I imagine Souttar’s international goalscoring record is less impressive when you consider that the goals came against Taiwan (average male height 5’7”) and Nepal (average male height 5’3”). It’s like in under 12s football when one kid has an early puberty and finds himself a foot taller than the rest. I’m aware of that. Even so it’s a good looking stat😉 |
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Post by Northy on Dec 5, 2020 11:57:10 GMT
We could always go for a TP style and have a back 5
Collins, Batth, Shawcross, Soutar, Chester 😉
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 12:20:03 GMT
We could always go for a TP style and have a back 5 Collins, Batth, Shawcross, Soutar, Chester 😉 Can you report posts for potential to start a riot? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 12:25:21 GMT
When playing 3 CBS, the two outside have to cover the flanks so it’ll be good learning for him playing at RB, such an asset to being able to play a second position and managers always list a players possible cover when they are signed. I’m not sure if shawX walks back into the first team, possibly lucky to get on the bench, so having Collins as back up CB and possible starter at RB for this season and a bit of next makes sense. Ryan, Baath and Chester only have a year or 2 left with us - by then Souttar and Collins will be well blooded into a class partnership. He doesn't need to learn that. It's already one of his strengths. |
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Post by crowey on Dec 5, 2020 12:38:03 GMT
He's a brilliant prospect Could easily have a great career at right back. Suspect he could have a great career in midfield also. However as a 'footballing' centre back is probably where he should play. This bonkers season will continue with players missing chunks of it so those that play may find themselves playing not in their number one favoured position at times. Next season if we are lucky enough to keep them looking forward to Collins pairing Souttar week in week out at the heart of the defence. Both have to be close to full international call ups. Souttar already has 2 caps and outrageously 4 goals for Australia’s first team. But I know what you’re getting at. Collins can’t be too far off I imagine ..... admittedly they were against Nepal & Chinese Taipei |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 5, 2020 12:47:29 GMT
Yeah he’s a CB.
Just plugging a gap until we can get a proper RB
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 5, 2020 13:10:16 GMT
I'm not a fan of playing players out of position but Smith needed a kick up the arse and Collins and has done ok there and the game time won't do him any harm. He'll get caught out at some point and we really need another specialist right back on the books but after two clean sheets I really can't see the point of switching him out at the moment.
Once Souttar and Shawcross are fully back in the reckoning there's lots of competition at CB - which is a good thing. If he does get in the first team as a CB it will be on merit and it will mean he's doing very well for a lad of his age.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 5, 2020 13:15:55 GMT
He's best at CB but I don't think playing him at RB temporarily is going to hinder his progression. Being anywhere on the pitch is surely better than sitting on the bench. Younger players in particular benefit from a shift to a wider role as part of their on going development. Tyrese's game has improved massively since being allowed to play in the wider positions. He's got more touches and less pressure than being lost down the middle. In Collins case any first team experience is a better one than being not involved. He's benefited from being able to carry the ball which will make him a classier CB. His delivery into the box is really improving and he will need more lungs playing RB than CB that will increase his fitness markedly. It's not a long term role but a good one to develop his confidence, fitness and skills. We can build a whole defence around this lad for years if we can keep hold of him in his natural role as a right sided CB. Future club captain. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 5, 2020 13:28:30 GMT
He's a centre half who needs to be played at centre half.
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Post by tosh on Dec 5, 2020 14:06:39 GMT
He's a centre half who needs to be played at centre half. But he’s good enough to benefit from the experience. |
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Post by march4 on Dec 5, 2020 14:07:59 GMT
Denis and Bouldy both started at full back.
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