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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 28, 2020 9:53:46 GMT
The more I see the less certain I am that he is the real deal. He works hard, but I'm not impressed by his skills on the ball, and I don't think he makes good runs into the spaces. In fact I often think defenders/midfielders have to pass the ball first and then he starts to run. It really should be the other way round if we are going to create sometng around him. The more I see of him the more certain I become that Ince still is a better option. At least Ince can keep the ball for some seconds and is more skilled on the ball. Still early days and I really hope he will come good and make me eat my words, but so far he has been less impressive game by game to me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2020 9:56:20 GMT
Clearly a useful player but one that's better from the bench for now imo.
He made some good runs against Brentford imo. But he's still learning and he will improve.
Also last night he won more flick ons than his targetman strike partner.
I hope Verlinden ends up taking his place though I'm not gonna lie. He's better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 10:02:16 GMT
Had a limited pre-season and has spent most of the season so far on the bench. We could just wait and see what he’ll bring to the team? His stats at Barnsley in a struggling team suggest plenty.
Causally saying “Verlinden is better” is all well and good but he’ll need to prove that over a long hard season when he gets his chance....
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 28, 2020 10:03:33 GMT
He is an OK squad player that's versatile. But shouldn't be starting unless we have injuries. He is youngish so maybe he can improve. One thing for certain he isn't going to get you many goals so as a key player in a front 3...no thanks
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 28, 2020 10:06:41 GMT
Don't you just think that anyone would look shit playing alongside Vokes???
He was basically playing up front with no support from midfield and a pregnant traffic cone.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 28, 2020 10:08:42 GMT
Bet he had the highest running stats in the game having to run around Vokes every time the ball was lumped up the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 10:09:42 GMT
He is an OK squad player that's versatile. But shouldn't be starting unless we have injuries. He is youngish so maybe he can improve. One thing for certain he isn't going to get you many goals so as a key player in a front 3...no thanks What about assists in a front three? He got plenty of them. It’s clear he’s not a striker, but to casually brush him off as “no more than a squad player” and one who is “youngish so may improve” so early into the season is just odd......
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 28, 2020 10:10:20 GMT
Don't you just think that anyone would look shit playing alongside Vokes??? He was basically playing up front with no support from midfield and a pregnant traffic cone. Agreed, he was given no support and no service. Like TOB, Thompson, Verlinden, Souttar and Collins, he will have good and bad moments but we cant rely on any one of them as regular starters if we aspire to be near the top 6. Campbell is a year ahead and we can see the improvement. If we continue to play the younger players its a sign we are targeting next season for a big promotion push.
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 28, 2020 10:26:18 GMT
Clearly a useful player but one that's better from the bench for now imo. He made some good runs against Brentford imo. But he's still learning and he will improve. Also last night he won more flick ons than his targetman strike partner. I hope Verlinden ends up taking his place though I'm not gonna lie. He's better. Verlinden really needs a chance in the team, but also he needs to take that chance with both hands in the same way that Campbell did. In the few games he's had in the first team, he's never delivered more than a 6 or 7 out of 10 performance. There've been odd moments where his ability has been evident, but also lots of frustrating moments where he's shown his inexperience. These young players we have all have some ability but it's about whether they're ready for the demands that Championship football presents. Verlinden's done his time in League One, impressed, and once he's fit again you suspect it'll be a case of now or never for him. Brown's never going to have the technique that Verlinden's got, but he's a willing runner and he looks more physically up to it.
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Post by christhepotter on Oct 28, 2020 10:26:35 GMT
Looks bang average to me needs go back on the bench
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 28, 2020 10:31:02 GMT
I think he's been okay, nothing spectacular but there's plenty of time for him to improve.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 28, 2020 10:59:47 GMT
Playing with Fletcher and Campbell will help
Playing with Vokes will certainly not
When we talk about player's development and performance a lot depends on where they are playing, who they are playing with etc in fact alot of things. I don't think we set up well at all last night and I don't see what Brown could have done to contribute tbh. Flogging a dead horse.
We were just launching poor quality high balls to Vokes and they were not sticking.
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Post by stokemark on Oct 28, 2020 11:01:59 GMT
Playing with Fletcher and Campbell will help Playing with Vokes will certainly not When we talk about player's development and performance a lot depends on where they are playing, who they are playing with etc in fact alot of things. I don't think we set up well at all last night and I don't see what Brown could have done to contribute tbh. Flogging a dead horse. We were just launching poor quality high balls to Vokes and they were not sticking. 100% agree - the difference is night and day
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Post by Royal Donut on Oct 28, 2020 11:13:50 GMT
Out of all the problems we have Brown is not top of the list. Comparing him to Ince is a joke (a player that makes one pass over an hour) someone with pace and athletic is part of what we need, yes some on here say Brown is average but looks at some of the players on the pitch last night. There are a few players in our squad should never play for the club again, hopefully MON has had a hint last night.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2020 11:16:46 GMT
Out of all the problems we have Brown is not top of the list. Comparing him to Ince is a joke (a player that makes one pass over an hour) someone with pace and athletic is part of what we need, yes some on here say Brown is average but looks at some of the players on the pitch last night. There are a few players in our squad should never play for the club again, hopefully MON has had a hint last night. I think the OP is a little harsh on Brown but I also don't think he should be starting many games tbh, not at the minute. His best work is from the bench imo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 11:19:46 GMT
I'm not quite sure he has enough guile to be a centre forward. He's very much a poor mans Diouf, without any real finishing skill at all. He has bundles of energy and pace though and has an average ability to carry a ball. He's a perfect winger in a 4-2-3-1, to back up Campbell and offer something different.
Going forwards, the development path has got to be to put more technical coaching into him and try and round him off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 11:20:11 GMT
The more I see the less certain I am that he is the real deal. He works hard, but I'm not impressed by his skills on the ball, and I don't think he makes good runs into the spaces. In fact I often think defenders/midfielders have to pass the ball first and then he starts to run. It really should be the other way round if we are going to create sometng around him. The more I see of him the more certain I become that Ince still is a better option. At least Ince can keep the ball for some seconds and is more skilled on the ball. Still early days and I really hope he will come good and make me eat my words, but so far he has been less impressive game by game to me. You wouldn't anywhere asking Ince to play defensive wingback. Bown has let his manager play him there, eager to impress upon his arrival, but it didn't work. I'm not sure if O'Neill knows why he signed him. He's played three or four different posditions, but so sparingly he's had no chance to settle into one of them. Perhaps he didn't sign him to anything other than a squad player.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 28, 2020 11:26:03 GMT
The more I see the less certain I am that he is the real deal. He works hard, but I'm not impressed by his skills on the ball, and I don't think he makes good runs into the spaces. In fact I often think defenders/midfielders have to pass the ball first and then he starts to run. It really should be the other way round if we are going to create sometng around him. The more I see of him the more certain I become that Ince still is a better option. At least Ince can keep the ball for some seconds and is more skilled on the ball. Still early days and I really hope he will come good and make me eat my words, but so far he has been less impressive game by game to me. You wouldn't anywhere asking Ince to play defensive wingback. Bown has let his manager play him there, eager to impress upon his arrival, but it didn't work. I'm not sure if O'Neill knows why he signed him. He's played three or four different posditions, but so sparingly he's had no chance to settle into one of them. Perhaps he didn't sign him to anything other than a squad player. Still it's easy to see he isn't particularly good on the ball and he seems to lack understanding of the game. I know he is still quite young, but much younger players still have this ability! I'm not giving up on him yet, but to me Ince looks a much better option if we are looking for creativity, assists and goals. At least this is my impression so far.
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 28, 2020 11:37:38 GMT
Like a dog chasing a balloon but early days yet
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 28, 2020 11:46:43 GMT
Had a very poor game last night and looked like poor man's Lee Gregory (with even less clue on how to control the football).
Must improve to justify selection.
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Post by femark on Oct 28, 2020 11:48:18 GMT
I'd rather see him as the main striker instead of Vokes if MO'N continues to alternate in midweek. As another poster said, he one more headers than Vokes and can hold the play up. He also offers us pace from that position which Vokes definitely doesn't.
I think the starting front 3 should be Powell - Fletcher - Campbell and the back up maybe try McClean - Brown - Ince
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 28, 2020 11:51:12 GMT
Has been totally underwhelming for me, might have a bit of pace but it’s not much use without some guile and he looks very skittish in front of goal.
Campbell is a far superior player
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 28, 2020 12:34:10 GMT
The more I see the less certain I am that he is the real deal. He works hard, but I'm not impressed by his skills on the ball, and I don't think he makes good runs into the spaces. In fact I often think defenders/midfielders have to pass the ball first and then he starts to run. It really should be the other way round if we are going to create sometng around him. The more I see of him the more certain I become that Ince still is a better option. At least Ince can keep the ball for some seconds and is more skilled on the ball. Still early days and I really hope he will come good and make me eat my words, but so far he has been less impressive game by game to me. You wouldn't anywhere asking Ince to play defensive wingback. Bown has let his manager play him there, eager to impress upon his arrival, but it didn't work. I'm not sure if O'Neill knows why he signed him. He's played three or four different posditions, but so sparingly he's had no chance to settle into one of them. Perhaps he didn't sign him to anything other than a squad player. Perhaps he didn't sign him at all ! he certainly hasn't got a clue where to play him sound familiar ?
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 28, 2020 12:43:15 GMT
Don't you just think that anyone would look shit playing alongside Vokes??? He was basically playing up front with no support from midfield and a pregnant traffic cone. Or could it be that Vokes looked rubbish with those two wide men? I can't remember one decent ball into the box which is what Vokes needs. He lacks Fletcher's movement and aggression but equally Brown and McLean lack Campbell's and Powell's guile and vision. Definitely the second choice forward line and hopefully Verlinden will push them further away from starting.
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Post by stokie223 on Oct 28, 2020 12:44:27 GMT
I think with Brown, it's exactly what it says on the tin.
He's a young lad that we've not paid an awful lot for - I don't particularly think he's ever going to be someone we'll sell to a big club for £30m, but he's given us a much-needed injection of pace which adds a different dynamic to our build up play.
A fairly unremarkable signing, but a useful addition to the squad overall. 6/10.
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Post by pottersrule on Oct 28, 2020 12:50:46 GMT
The more I see the less certain I am that he is the real deal. He works hard, but I'm not impressed by his skills on the ball, and I don't think he makes good runs into the spaces. In fact I often think defenders/midfielders have to pass the ball first and then he starts to run. It really should be the other way round if we are going to create sometng around him. The more I see of him the more certain I become that Ince still is a better option. At least Ince can keep the ball for some seconds and is more skilled on the ball. Still early days and I really hope he will come good and make me eat my words, but so far he has been less impressive game by game to me. He was being marked by an exceptional left back on loan from Chelsea,who have very high hopes for him.The service to him was poor and it's really hard to judge him on last night's performance where most of the team had an off night.
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Post by march4 on Oct 28, 2020 13:00:38 GMT
The worst player I have seen in a Stoke shirt this season.
Would always have Gregory above him if it is a straight choice.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Oct 28, 2020 13:13:21 GMT
Well my front three in a 433 would be Campbell Fletcher and Brown and I would like the three to be given a good run together.
The amount of games we play one on top of another is a problem though.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 28, 2020 13:21:10 GMT
Bloody hell I thought I was negative. Give the lad a chance, he’s played less than a dozen games.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 13:28:55 GMT
Bloody hell I thought I was negative. Give the lad a chance, he’s played less than a dozen games. I watched Jamal Lowe for an hour last night. He was strong, aggressive, quick and caused us real problems. Jacob Brown has been none of those things in his less than a dozen games. You can't polish a turd. It will be another lamentable signing.
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