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Post by spitthedog on Oct 28, 2020 13:58:29 GMT
I would not judge him on last night.
I just don't see what he could have offered in the way we set up? Someone please enlighten me on that????
You cant compare him with players from the opposition because they were playing to a workable plan. Ours was completely dysfunctional from the very start.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 28, 2020 14:10:53 GMT
He was really poor last night, he showed nothing on the ball.
I kept looking at their Jamal Lowe who cost half the price.
Brown needs a kick up the arse, he's going to need to show more than that and he needs to add goalscoring to his game.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 28, 2020 14:23:34 GMT
He was really poor last night, he showed nothing on the ball. I kept looking at their Jamal Lowe who cost half the price. Brown needs a kick up the arse, he's going to need to show more than that and he needs to add goalscoring to his game. When he came here I remember that the Barnsley fans indicated much the same.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 28, 2020 14:25:27 GMT
The reviews from Barnsley suggested he was good play in and around the box but isn’t great at finishing, we’d be silly to think we can transform him.
The biggest issue was signing him when we didn’t really need him. I understand that the seasons long and we’ll pick up injuries but how many strikers do we really need. Having 5, 10 goal a season strikers does not get you 50 goals.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 14:29:47 GMT
Thought he seemed decent vs Brentford, even against Rico Henry. Campbell moved over and played better against the weaker of their full backs also.
A bit pants last night. It didn’t help that Smith seems knackered. Oakley-Boothe didn’t take on any overlapping runs and Vokes had one of his worst ever performances.
I think McClean - Fletcher - Campbell is our best forward line. But I don’t think Brown should be written off yet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 15:46:51 GMT
He was really poor last night, he showed nothing on the ball. I kept looking at their Jamal Lowe who cost half the price. Brown needs a kick up the arse, he's going to need to show more than that and he needs to add goalscoring to his game. He cost half the price because of the Wigan fire sale. He's probably on double the wage though.....
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 28, 2020 15:54:32 GMT
You wouldn't anywhere asking Ince to play defensive wingback. Bown has let his manager play him there, eager to impress upon his arrival, but it didn't work. I'm not sure if O'Neill knows why he signed him. He's played three or four different posditions, but so sparingly he's had no chance to settle into one of them. Perhaps he didn't sign him to anything other than a squad player. Perhaps he didn't sign him at all ! he certainly hasn't got a clue where to play him sound familiar ? But he did so he needs to figure it out.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 28, 2020 15:57:02 GMT
He was really poor last night, he showed nothing on the ball. I kept looking at their Jamal Lowe who cost half the price. Brown needs a kick up the arse, he's going to need to show more than that and he needs to add goalscoring to his game. Maybe if they gave him as much space as we did he'd look as good, he was easy to mark last night b ecause their defence knew there was no one else to worry about, no movement, no runners, it was an awful night all round really.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 28, 2020 17:57:17 GMT
He was really poor last night, he showed nothing on the ball. I kept looking at their Jamal Lowe who cost half the price. Brown needs a kick up the arse, he's going to need to show more than that and he needs to add goalscoring to his game. Maybe if they gave him as much space as we did he'd look as good, he was easy to mark last night b ecause their defence knew there was no one else to worry about, no movement, no runners, it was an awful night all round really. Fair enough, we will see
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 28, 2020 18:13:56 GMT
I think with Brown, it's exactly what it says on the tin. You mean he's brown?
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 28, 2020 18:25:04 GMT
He was really poor last night, he showed nothing on the ball. I kept looking at their Jamal Lowe who cost half the price. Brown needs a kick up the arse, he's going to need to show more than that and he needs to add goalscoring to his game. I cant see how you can compare with Jamal Lowe who was playing in a coherent, organised system with players who knew what they supposed to be doing Brown was not. In fact the precise opposite. He was left in no mans land, no service, next to a traffic cone. What do you expect?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 28, 2020 19:03:59 GMT
Brown is like too many other players we have on the books not great, not shite, they won't get us promoted or relegated.
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 28, 2020 19:08:00 GMT
Brown is like too many other players we have on the books not great, not shite, they won't get us promoted or relegated. Brown is the new beige
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Post by tachyon on Oct 28, 2020 19:08:45 GMT
The reviews from Barnsley suggested he was good play in and around the box but isn’t great at finishing, we’d be silly to think we can transform him. Fortunately a player's future scoring output is correlated to the quality of chances they get on the end of, rather than the number of actual goals they score in a single season. The 50 "worst" finishers in the Championship since 2014/15 scored 324 goals from chances that an average striker would expect to score 481 goals. Truely "awful" finishers. The next season they scored 303 goals from chances worth 298. They had fewer chances because they played fewer minutes because team managers can be as dumb as the Barnsley fans were about Brown. Evidently we weren't put off by his "poor finishing". He's a decent attacking threat (One xG every 4.5 games) with a similar level of chance creation numbers.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 29, 2020 8:22:07 GMT
The reviews from Barnsley suggested he was good play in and around the box but isn’t great at finishing, we’d be silly to think we can transform him. Fortunately a player's future scoring output is correlated to the quality of chances they get on the end of, rather than the number of actual goals they score in a single season. The 50 "worst" finishers in the Championship since 2014/15 scored 324 goals from chances that an average striker would expect to score 481 goals. Truely "awful" finishers. The next season they scored 303 goals from chances worth 298. They had fewer chances because they played fewer minutes because team managers can be as dumb as the Barnsley fans were about Brown. Evidently we weren't put off by his "poor finishing". He's a decent attacking threat (One xG every 4.5 games) with a similar level of chance creation numbers. It still doesn’t address the fact we can only play 2 strikers at one time. Lee Gregory can’t finish ones of our xGs when he’s not in the squad. Accepting that Brown might score 10 goals in a season from 4.5 games means he needs to play every game of the season to get to that figure. I’m not sure we should book the promotion bus for his output which goes back to the point I was making which is I don’t think we needed him because he doesn’t improve the squad.
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Post by Championship Potter on Oct 29, 2020 8:34:39 GMT
Bloody hell I thought I was negative. Give the lad a chance, he’s played less than a dozen games. I watched Jamal Lowe for an hour last night. He was strong, aggressive, quick and caused us real problems. Jacob Brown has been none of those things in his less than a dozen games. You can't polish a turd. It will be another lamentable signing. Lowe is 26 and was playing for St Albans 5 years ago. Why don’t we give Brown a chance to develop?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 8:49:02 GMT
He was really poor last night, he showed nothing on the ball. I kept looking at their Jamal Lowe who cost half the price. Brown needs a kick up the arse, he's going to need to show more than that and he needs to add goalscoring to his game. He cost half the price because of the Wigan fire sale. He's probably on double the wage though..... And he was playing in the side that were in the ascendancy by a mile*. Brown just chased lost causes all night. He'll be decent for us. *We've seen Vokes can get away with it on occasion in the same way.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 29, 2020 9:05:17 GMT
Brown is like too many other players we have on the books not great, not shite, they won't get us promoted or relegated. Spot on and worryingly a number of these were bought in by this management under the infamous process , brown , Chester, Fox, Thomson , the future is mid table unless we get clucas and Allen back and firing and he deploys the best 11 properly
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 29, 2020 9:51:30 GMT
Brown is like too many other players we have on the books not great, not shite, they won't get us promoted or relegated. Spot on and worryingly a number of these were bought in by this management under the infamous process , brown , Chester, Fox, Thomson , the future is mid table unless we get clucas and Allen back and firing and he deploys the best 11 properly So what's your best XI when everyone is fit?
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 29, 2020 10:02:56 GMT
I'm not at all a fan of this tendency on here to write off our players after a few games especially when they are having to adapt to different positions and responsibilities in every game
Brown has virtually played in a different position each game so far and with different players around him.
What do we expect from a relatively inexperienced player in this context?
Give the guy a break!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 10:12:49 GMT
Spot on and worryingly a number of these were bought in by this management under the infamous process , brown , Chester, Fox, Thomson , the future is mid table unless we get clucas and Allen back and firing and he deploys the best 11 properly So what's your best XI when everyone is fit? For me its Gunn/Davies Smith Souttar Shawcross Fox Allen Clucas Campbell Powell Verlinden Fletcher At home at least
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 29, 2020 10:15:17 GMT
So what's your best XI when everyone is fit? For me its Gunn/Davies Smith Souttar Shawcross Fox Allen Clucas Campbell Powell Verlinden Fletcher At home at least I'd go with that but Collins for Ryan (but swapping them as and when) and Mikel for Allen.
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Post by potterburt on Oct 29, 2020 10:17:21 GMT
Brown hasn’t look as good from kick off compared to coming on as sub. That said - against Brentford, I made a point of watching him off the ball. for 88 mins he hassled and pestered their back line and Rico Henry had no joy - comparatively Ty on the other side didn’t do the same, hence having to bring Tymon on to try and sure up against Daalsgard starting to plough through.
He did nothing against Swansea, but no player did.
He’s 22, made the step up from predominately a L1 club, no, maybe he won’t set the world alight but who said he should? Why is there this expectation from stoke fans that if a player doesn’t bring down the house then he offers nothing? Then on the flip side if they do really well you get all the ‘I hope no bigger team snaps them up’.... 🤦🏻♂️.
Really must despair with a lot of you lot.
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 29, 2020 10:19:09 GMT
I'm not at all a fan of this tendency on here to write off our players after a few games especially when they are having to adapt to different positions and responsibilities in every game Brown has virtually played in a different position each game so far and with different players around him. What do we expect from a relatively inexperienced player in this context? Give the guy a break! Gawd help poor old Campbell after a game at RWB
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 10:46:19 GMT
Brown hasn’t look as good from kick off compared to coming on as sub. That said - against Brentford, I made a point of watching him off the ball. for 88 mins he hassled and pestered their back line and Rico Henry had no joy - comparatively Ty on the other side didn’t do the same, hence having to bring Tymon on to try and sure up against Daalsgard starting to plough through. He did nothing against Swansea, but no player did. He’s 22, made the step up from predominately a L1 club, no, maybe he won’t set the world alight but who said he should? Why is there this expectation from stoke fans that if a player doesn’t bring down the house then he offers nothing? Then on the flip side if they do really well you get all the ‘I hope no bigger team snaps them up’.... 🤦🏻♂️. Really must despair with a lot of you lot. Jordan Thompson gets the same treatment. Sadly, it's from some of the same people that lord over Brentford's recruitment strategy and they don't see the irony.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 29, 2020 10:48:42 GMT
Brown hasn’t look as good from kick off compared to coming on as sub. That said - against Brentford, I made a point of watching him off the ball. for 88 mins he hassled and pestered their back line and Rico Henry had no joy - comparatively Ty on the other side didn’t do the same, hence having to bring Tymon on to try and sure up against Daalsgard starting to plough through. He did nothing against Swansea, but no player did. He’s 22, made the step up from predominately a L1 club, no, maybe he won’t set the world alight but who said he should? Why is there this expectation from stoke fans that if a player doesn’t bring down the house then he offers nothing? Then on the flip side if they do really well you get all the ‘I hope no bigger team snaps them up’.... 🤦🏻♂️. Really must despair with a lot of you lot. Jordan Thompson gets the same treatment. Sadly, it's from some of the same people that lord over Brentford's recruitment strategy and they don't see the irony. Thompson does nothing though He doesn't hastle and pester. He gets run through like he isn't there. He was the worst player in lockdown and offered fuck all and that's carried on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 10:52:28 GMT
Jordan Thompson gets the same treatment. Sadly, it's from some of the same people that lord over Brentford's recruitment strategy and they don't see the irony. Thompson does nothing though He doesn't hastle and pester. He gets run through like he isn't there. He was the worst player in lockdown and offered fuck all and that's carried on. As if by magic...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 29, 2020 10:59:55 GMT
Thompson does nothing though He doesn't hastle and pester. He gets run through like he isn't there. He was the worst player in lockdown and offered fuck all and that's carried on. As if by magic... I've defended Brown because he clearly adds value to the squad. Thompson is a league one player at the absolute best and people's defence of him is "it's what you don't see". It's hilarious. The bloke offers absolutely sod all. In lockdown at least Sorensen was kicking players to stop them, Thompson just let them waltz through and that's carried on. Against Brentford we might as well not have had a midfield. Actually I don't think the Luton, Barnsley, Brenford and Swansea games have been that different. A lot to work on in this daft formation and having a midfield that shields the backline has been an issue in all of those games. Mikel hasn't really been effective at it at all. For all of his good play on the ball he hasn't been anywhere close to where I think he'd be defensively. Thompson can't even pass that well.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 29, 2020 11:07:55 GMT
I've defended Brown because he clearly adds value to the squad. Thompson is a league one player at the absolute best and people's defence of him is "it's what you don't see". It's hilarious. The bloke offers absolutely sod all. In lockdown at least Sorensen was kicking players to stop them, Thompson just let them waltz through and that's carried on. Against Brentford we might as well not have had a midfield. Actually I don't think the Luton, Barnsley, Brenford and Swansea games have been that different. A lot to work on in this daft formation and having a midfield that shields the backline has been an issue in all of those games. Mikel hasn't really been effective at it at all. For all of his good play on the ball he hasn't been anywhere close to where I think he'd be defensively. Thompson can't even pass that well. We and especially Mikel and Souttar really missed Thompson in Tuesday night. They continually ran through the left side of our midfield and we had no-one to move the ball forward.
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Post by gaznandi on Oct 29, 2020 11:09:23 GMT
I've defended Brown because he clearly adds value to the squad. Thompson is a league one player at the absolute best and people's defence of him is "it's what you don't see". It's hilarious. The bloke offers absolutely sod all. In lockdown at least Sorensen was kicking players to stop them, Thompson just let them waltz through and that's carried on. Against Brentford we might as well not have had a midfield. Actually I don't think the Luton, Barnsley, Brenford and Swansea games have been that different. A lot to work on in this daft formation and having a midfield that shields the backline has been an issue in all of those games. Mikel hasn't really been effective at it at all. For all of his good play on the ball he hasn't been anywhere close to where I think he'd be defensively. Thompson can't even pass that well. “We’re missing key players at the minute with Sam Clucas, the longer-term with Joe Allen, Nathan was out at Swansea and Jordan Thompson was a big loss."
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