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Post by salopstick on Aug 28, 2019 7:17:20 GMT
Horrific. The FA needs a complete restructuring from top to bottom, how on Earth has it been allowed to reach this point? Gutted, absolutely gutted. I would relegate 4 from championship and make league 1&2 regional north and south with automatic promotion for the winners and playoffs for 2-5 That would keep costs down for the small clubs and make more derbies (ish) Make the paint trophy no longer regional
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Post by Northy on Aug 28, 2019 7:21:55 GMT
It’s life, rightly or wrongly those at the top earn more no natter what job or profession you are in Tennis clubs go under but where are the people asking the top tennis players to bail them out, golf clubs struggle what about asking the top golf players to bale them out? Why is it just football? What tennis club brings twenty thousand people together every fortnight for twenty weeks of the year? What golf club? What tennis club, other than one I can think of, has hundreds of years of in community solidarity to give history and context to (and I worked in Wimbledon for years and if you think most of the locals think anything of the tennis club let me disavow you) In fact, in context, didn’t the tennis club just buy the golf course there so they could plow it under for more tennis things? There are people on here, more versed than I, that can explain it to you I am sure. The man interviewed on SSN today who talked about a real ground, surrounded by terraced houses, in the town. Remember that? Not some plastic ground on an industrial park in the middle of nowhere (Reading, I’m looking at you) Or maybe a ground built on a windy hill with drone coverage of an incinerator. To paraphrase one of the most compelling speeches of the past: When they came for Northwich Victoria no one said anything. When they bulldozed The Drill Field no one spoke. When Bury went no one stood. When Bolton went, the same. If it comes time for Stoke, maybe there won’t be anyone left to speak for us. The old third division may not be as fun as it was, don’t you think? What do you mean about Northwich Vics? Lots of people spoke and half the fans went off and formed their own club, 1874 Northwich, the old Vics Chairman is in jail for drug related offences for a start.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 7:41:10 GMT
Just been shown this:
James Frith MP is also worth a read on this:
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 28, 2019 7:44:13 GMT
If there is any such thing as karma, that weasel Steve Dale will contract Ebola. Surely he must be the most hated man in Britain right now? The vast majority of football fans all over the country hate him. He's slightly more popular than Berahino.
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Post by lordb on Aug 28, 2019 7:45:37 GMT
Horrific. The FA needs a complete restructuring from top to bottom, how on Earth has it been allowed to reach this point? Gutted, absolutely gutted. I would relegate 4 from championship and make league 1&2 regional north and south with automatic promotion for the winners and playoffs for 2-5 That would keep costs down for the small clubs and make more derbies (ish) Make the paint trophy no longer regional It would also,instantly, lower the quality which would see support & sponsorship drop off Look at non league, best thing they ever did was create what is now the National League.
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Post by spiderman54 on Aug 28, 2019 7:51:25 GMT
I would relegate 4 from championship and make league 1&2 regional north and south with automatic promotion for the winners and playoffs for 2-5 That would keep costs down for the small clubs and make more derbies (ish) Make the paint trophy no longer regional It would also,instantly, lower the quality which would see support & sponsorship drop off Look at non league, best thing they ever did was create what is now the National League. League 1 & 2 fans do not want regionalisation. I did a piece on this a few years ago at uni where I spoke to travelling lower league fans and no one was in favour. In fact they enjoyed travelling around the country and seeing new places.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 28, 2019 7:58:41 GMT
You would probably live longer so not all bad. Crass, I don’t always believe in profanity on here but, really fucking crass. I was referring to Stoke and the giant stressful fucking (yes i can swear too) rollercoaster we are always on.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 28, 2019 8:15:48 GMT
Frightening numbers from the accy stanley chairman if true no one was touching bury with a bargepole at that price
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 28, 2019 8:52:27 GMT
Frightening numbers from the accy stanley chairman if true no one was touching bury with a bargepole at that price Stewart Day looks more responsible than Steven Dale, Dale only took charge earlier this year so the big contracts are on Day. Also Day stitched them up with the ground. To me, Day has played a blinder in securing his cash and displacing the blame onto Dale. Scum bag obviously but still a ‘smart’ set of moves.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 28, 2019 9:05:45 GMT
Frightening numbers from the accy stanley chairman if true no one was touching bury with a bargepole at that price Stewart Day looks more responsible than Steven Dale, Dale only took charge earlier this year so the big contracts are on Day. Also Day stitched them up with the ground. To me, Day has played a blinder in securing his cash and displacing the blame onto Dale. Scum bag obviously but still a ‘smart’ set of moves. Yes seems that way whether it was something dodgy or not by Day will come out in the wash but his property company went tits up in June owing £50m+.... Dale seems to have dicked about trying to find a buyer presumably was trying to get some sort of profit but if those figures were true no one was ever buying bury.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 9:17:37 GMT
Stewart Day looks more responsible than Steven Dale, Dale only took charge earlier this year so the big contracts are on Day. Also Day stitched them up with the ground. To me, Day has played a blinder in securing his cash and displacing the blame onto Dale. Scum bag obviously but still a ‘smart’ set of moves. Yes seems that way whether it was something dodgy or not by Day will come out in the wash but his property company went tits up in June owing £50m+.... Dale seems to have dicked about trying to find a buyer presumably was trying to get some sort of profit but if those figures were true no one was ever buying bury. Dale sold the debt to his daughter's partner for £70k. His daughters partner than voted for them to be wound up and wanted £1.75m to satisfy the debt (when he'd only paid £70,000 for it). That was why the buyer pulled out.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 28, 2019 11:30:13 GMT
Thank you for the information, that gives a fuller picture and explains Dale’s part in this sorry state of affairs. The only hope we can have now is owners up and down the country realise that they can’t expect someone more stupid than them to help them out just because it’s a football club. I hope both Dale and Day are taking massive hits to their business assets.
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Post by werrington on Aug 28, 2019 15:02:34 GMT
Jim White has just said it’s ONE of the most darkest days in their history
ONE you say Jim, you mean they’ve had days as bad as this one?
What a fucking idiot
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 15:05:07 GMT
The EFL are considering a stay of execution, local MP’s have informed them of a credible buyer ready to proceed immediately......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 15:06:18 GMT
The EFL are considering a stay of execution, local MP’s have informed them of a credible buyer ready to proceed immediately...... Keep everything crossed!
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Post by nott1 on Aug 28, 2019 15:08:25 GMT
Surely he must be the most hated man in Britain right now? The vast majority of football fans all over the country hate him. He's slightly more popular than Berahino. But not NJ.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 28, 2019 15:20:14 GMT
The EFL are considering a stay of execution, local MP’s have informed them of a credible buyer ready to proceed immediately...... Hopefully it’s granted and an actual execution of Steve Dale takes place alongside it.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 28, 2019 15:24:50 GMT
The EFL are considering a stay of execution, local MP’s have informed them of a credible buyer ready to proceed immediately...... Also what would happen if this actually went ahead now the death knoll has technically already been sounded? Would they just be slotted straight back into League 1 or would they have to start at the bottom of the pile still?
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Post by werrington on Aug 28, 2019 15:26:54 GMT
The EFL are considering a stay of execution, local MP’s have informed them of a credible buyer ready to proceed immediately...... Also what would happen if this actually went ahead now the death knoll has technically already been sounded? Would they just be slotted straight back into League 1 or would they have to start at the bottom of the pile still? If the efl agreed they’d go back into league 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 15:32:21 GMT
Also what would happen if this actually went ahead now the death knoll has technically already been sounded? Would they just be slotted straight back into League 1 or would they have to start at the bottom of the pile still? If the efl agreed they’d go back into league 1 Perhaps now the outcry has got louder they will do the right thing.
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Aug 28, 2019 15:37:56 GMT
If it stays and we lose Bury then Bolton...who next....I cant see it ending
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 28, 2019 15:40:09 GMT
Been thinking all day about ways to safeguard against this happening in future.
Saw a post on MOTD's Facebook page from some guy who suggested a compulsory insurance fee be paid to the league, so that the League can temporarily make a mandatory purchase (the owner would have to consent to this as part of the purchase in the first place).
Raised a few issues with me though. 1. Why should current club owners consent to a new rule stating they have to sell. 2. Why should lower league clubs have to pay out from their limited funds to do so. 3. Why should bigger, well run clubs have to bail out smaller, riskier, shittily run choices.
Most importantly, 4. Wouldn't this encourage riskier behaviour, knowing that there is a safety net if poor financial gambles don't pay off?
What are people's thoughts on such a system?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2019 15:45:52 GMT
Been thinking all day about ways to safeguard against this happening in future. Saw a post on MOTD's Facebook page from some guy who suggested a compulsory insurance fee be paid to the league, so that the League can temporarily make a mandatory purchase (the owner would have to consent to this as part of the purchase in the first place). Raised a few issues with me though. 1. Why should current club owners consent to a new rule stating they have to sell. 2. Why should lower league clubs have to pay out from their limited funds to do so. 3. Why should bigger, well run clubs have to bail out smaller, riskier, shittily run choices. Most importantly, 4. Wouldn't this encourage riskier behaviour, knowing that there is a safety net if poor financial gambles don't pay off? What are people's thoughts on such a system? With how football I think it would encourage #4 definitely.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 28, 2019 15:50:33 GMT
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Post by leicspotter on Aug 28, 2019 15:51:15 GMT
Saw Debbie Jevans on TV this morning, saying they (EFL) "have to learn lessons from this" Give me strength! As one reporter was quoted: "The only thing that would not pass the EFL's "fit and proper" test, is the EFL's fit and proper test. They have stood by and watched clubs being royally shafted and done sweet fa about it. They negotiated a deal for TV rights that is chicken feed compared to what the prem get If anthying is not fit for purpose it is the governing bodies: FA; EFL; PFA...and that's before we look at UEFA and FIFA NJ may be obsessed with Diamonds but I would like to see a return to the "pyramid"
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 28, 2019 15:59:43 GMT
What tennis club brings twenty thousand people together every fortnight for twenty weeks of the year? What golf club? What tennis club, other than one I can think of, has hundreds of years of in community solidarity to give history and context to (and I worked in Wimbledon for years and if you think most of the locals think anything of the tennis club let me disavow you) In fact, in context, didn’t the tennis club just buy the golf course there so they could plow it under for more tennis things? There are people on here, more versed than I, that can explain it to you I am sure. The man interviewed on SSN today who talked about a real ground, surrounded by terraced houses, in the town. Remember that? Not some plastic ground on an industrial park in the middle of nowhere (Reading, I’m looking at you) Or maybe a ground built on a windy hill with drone coverage of an incinerator. To paraphrase one of the most compelling speeches of the past: When they came for Northwich Victoria no one said anything. When they bulldozed The Drill Field no one spoke. When Bury went no one stood. When Bolton went, the same. If it comes time for Stoke, maybe there won’t be anyone left to speak for us. The old third division may not be as fun as it was, don’t you think? What do you mean about Northwich Vics? Lots of people spoke and half the fans went off and formed their own club, 1874 Northwich, the old Vics Chairman is in jail for drug related offences for a start. So 1874 Northwich is the same as Northwich Victoria? Losing The Drill Hall Field which was the oldest football ground in the WORLD to host games is the same as, at one point, ground sharing with Witton Albion? Not really sure what the ex chairman being in jail is relevant to “for a start” you would have to explain that to me.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 28, 2019 16:02:48 GMT
I don't like this changing of thread titles and merging of posts when there's new big news. Now it looks like the OP (below) said they were hoping Bury WERE expelled, and it's difficult to find the start of the expelled chain.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 28, 2019 16:05:10 GMT
Been thinking all day about ways to safeguard against this happening in future. Saw a post on MOTD's Facebook page from some guy who suggested a compulsory insurance fee be paid to the league, so that the League can temporarily make a mandatory purchase (the owner would have to consent to this as part of the purchase in the first place). Raised a few issues with me though. 1. Why should current club owners consent to a new rule stating they have to sell. 2. Why should lower league clubs have to pay out from their limited funds to do so. 3. Why should bigger, well run clubs have to bail out smaller, riskier, shittily run choices. Most importantly, 4. Wouldn't this encourage riskier behaviour, knowing that there is a safety net if poor financial gambles don't pay off? What are people's thoughts on such a system? With how football I think it would encourage #4 definitely. The EU does it with countries - see Greece and Ireland. The taxpayers do it with banks who scammed everyone - see the UK, USA etc. I don't like the idea. Football is such a big business, someone would find a way of scamming it.
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Aug 28, 2019 17:38:42 GMT
The Fails manager showing sympathy with this quote
“Obviously the football clubs have been mismanaged. With the Bury situation, it’s hard to feel sorry for them because they won promotion last year. “It’s a form of cheating really - spending money you haven’t got. They had players in there who were on way too much money for the division and that’s why they were promoted. “It’s a shame for the supporters, and that’s who you feel sorry for. Sometimes you also forget that players have mortgages and families, but at the moment it’s making a mockery of League One.”
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 28, 2019 17:57:25 GMT
I feel for those Bury fans. Hopefully, some kind of club will rise from the ashes.
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