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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2019 20:21:44 GMT
People don’t want to hear it but it’s 100% true and has been for 3/4 years.
This club is rotten to its very core. The issues lie deep and it will take a deep clean to solve them. We’re on the verge of a 5th manager in 2/2.5 seasons. That is a club that has deep, deep issues. Will sacking Jones solve them? No. Will it keep us up? Maybe. But changes at the top have to happen for this club to change. Make no mistake that this will get worse before it gets better.
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 21, 2019 20:22:44 GMT
People don’t want to hear it but it’s 100% true and has been for 3/4 years. This club is rotten to its very core. The issues lie deep and it will take a deep clean to solve them. We’re on the verge of a 5th manager in 2/2.5 seasons. That is a club that has deep, deep issues. Will sacking Jones solve them? No. Will it keep us up? Maybe. But changes at the top have to happen for this club to change. Make no mistake that this will get worse before it gets better. I agree 100%
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Post by Milkie on Aug 21, 2019 20:23:44 GMT
Agreed
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 21, 2019 20:24:22 GMT
100%
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Post by kevkj on Aug 21, 2019 20:25:03 GMT
Scholes presides over this total,total failure.
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Post by Royal Donut on Aug 21, 2019 20:25:04 GMT
So so true.
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Post by stokie223 on Aug 21, 2019 20:26:18 GMT
It's so sad that most right-thinking Stoke fans have seen this coming from a mile off. We look worryingly similar to Sunderland I'm afraid.
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Post by mrred on Aug 21, 2019 20:26:20 GMT
I don't even think the club would have the means to figure out how to reinvent themselves like Wolves did should we get relegated again.
You're absolutely right and I've also been saying it for over 3 years, but we don't have people in charge to rectify this steaming mess.
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Aug 21, 2019 20:28:36 GMT
Unpopular opinion but we need new owners - Coates Family have had their time. We need new ideas and new direction
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Post by cransonshead on Aug 21, 2019 20:28:48 GMT
Yeah coates sell and fuck off
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2019 20:31:27 GMT
Unpopular opinion but we need new owners - Coates Family have had their time. We need new ideas and new direction I like them but they need freshening up. Ideally I’d like Scholes sacked and a new young investor to work with them and to give them some energy.
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Post by supacoopa101 on Aug 21, 2019 20:35:40 GMT
People don’t want to hear it but it’s 100% true and has been for 3/4 years. This club is rotten to its very core. The issues lie deep and it will take a deep clean to solve them. We’re on the verge of a 5th manager in 2/2.5 seasons. That is a club that has deep, deep issues. Will sacking Jones solve them? No. Will it keep us up? Maybe. But changes at the top have to happen for this club to change. Make no mistake that this will get worse before it gets better. I know you get a lot of shite for being negative, but 9 times out of 10 your pretty much on the money. No exceptions here either. You can't tell me that all these problems our club have suffered over the past 4 years is all down to the players and the manager. As you say, the issues lie so much deeper and if they aren't snuffed out soon then this club will freefall. The situation we are in now is imo worst than our relegation from the Premier League.
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Aug 21, 2019 20:37:55 GMT
Unpopular opinion but we need new owners - Coates Family have had their time. We need new ideas and new direction I like them but they need freshening up. Ideally I’d like Scholes sacked and a new young investor to work with them and to give them some energy. Thing is I don’t like Scholes or this obviously flawed ‘process’ I couldn’t stand Jez Moxey back in the day either but it can’t be a coincidence that the Coates Family employed both to perform key roles at the club. Macari and Pulis are exceptions to the rule when you look at their track record of appointing managers over the last 30 plus years
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 20:43:18 GMT
Sack the manager for a start. Get rid of the players who don’t care. We’ve got the stadium and training ground, and the budget to compete - but we’re rotten to the core. Take it back to nothing and start again. This is not acceptable. haha, haven't we already done this? Twice? Ours was never going to be a club that bounced right back up to the prem. We have far too much driftwood to get rid of first. Jack has fucked us over (again) tonight. Its hard to win a game when you are behind after 1 attack every time. It will take time, but sacking the manager won't work right now. Ask yourself, who and how would you play differently between now and January? The squad remains unbalanced, the spirit damaged, but nothing will change in the immediate future by sacking Jones. We need to consider counseling these players though, many of whom are consistently underperforming.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 21, 2019 20:49:15 GMT
Sack the manager for a start. Get rid of the players who don’t care. We’ve got the stadium and training ground, and the budget to compete - but we’re rotten to the core. Take it back to nothing and start again. This is not acceptable. haha, haven't we already done this? Twice? Ours was never going to be a club that bounced right back up to the prem. We have far too much driftwood to get rid of first. Jack has fucked us over (again) tonight. Its hard to win a game when you are behind after 1 attack every time. It will take time, but sacking the manager won't work right now. Ask yourself, who and how would you play differently between now and January? The squad remains unbalanced, the spirit damaged, but nothing will change in the immediate future by sacking Jones. We need to consider counseling these players though, many of whom are consistently underperforming. Time to be brave with team selection Fans may be more tolerant of more of the youngsters starting Not sure how to rebuild confidence which is rock bottom Depressing
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 21, 2019 20:55:48 GMT
People don’t want to hear it but it’s 100% true and has been for 3/4 years. This club is rotten to its very core. The issues lie deep and it will take a deep clean to solve them. We’re on the verge of a 5th manager in 2/2.5 seasons. That is a club that has deep, deep issues. Will sacking Jones solve them? No. Will it keep us up? Maybe. But changes at the top have to happen for this club to change. Make no mistake that this will get worse before it gets better. I don't think people don't want to hear it any more bayern. I'm not going to argue with any of what you say. The thing I can't square though, is how the "deep, deep issues" manifest themselves between a Saturday and a Wednesday? We had improved in every game this season, from a poor start admittedly. Against Derby there were still problems at the back but the players looked like they really cared and we were unlucky not to win. How do the deep issues and general malaise at the club re-infect the manager and every fookin player in the space of four days?
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Post by bikerboy on Aug 21, 2019 20:57:46 GMT
People don’t want to hear it but it’s 100% true and has been for 3/4 years. This club is rotten to its very core. The issues lie deep and it will take a deep clean to solve them. We’re on the verge of a 5th manager in 2/2.5 seasons. That is a club that has deep, deep issues. Will sacking Jones solve them? No. Will it keep us up? Maybe. But changes at the top have to happen for this club to change. Make no mistake that this will get worse before it gets better. Its hard to disagree, things have to change. Not sure what the answer is really, feel a bit sorry for Jones really.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2019 20:59:01 GMT
People don’t want to hear it but it’s 100% true and has been for 3/4 years. This club is rotten to its very core. The issues lie deep and it will take a deep clean to solve them. We’re on the verge of a 5th manager in 2/2.5 seasons. That is a club that has deep, deep issues. Will sacking Jones solve them? No. Will it keep us up? Maybe. But changes at the top have to happen for this club to change. Make no mistake that this will get worse before it gets better. I don't think people don't want to hear it any more bayern. I'm not going to argue with any of what you say. The thing I can't square though, is how the "deep, deep issues" manifest themselves between a Saturday and a Wednesday? We had improved in every game this season, from a poor start admittedly. Against Derby there were still problems at the back but the players looked like they really cared and we were unlucky not to win. How do the deep issues and general malaise at the club re-infect the manager and every fookin player in the space of four days? The fragile mentality of the place? Even with the Charlton and Derby games were still essentially a team that couldn’t score and couldn’t defend. Even when looking better they are two things that are hard to change and are signs of a poor side. I think those performances were both meaningless.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 21, 2019 21:04:39 GMT
I don't think people don't want to hear it any more bayern. I'm not going to argue with any of what you say. The thing I can't square though, is how the "deep, deep issues" manifest themselves between a Saturday and a Wednesday? We had improved in every game this season, from a poor start admittedly. Against Derby there were still problems at the back but the players looked like they really cared and we were unlucky not to win. How do the deep issues and general malaise at the club re-infect the manager and every fookin player in the space of four days? The fragile mentality of the place? Even with the Charlton and Derby games were still essentially a team that couldn’t score and couldn’t defend. Even when looking better they are two things that are hard to change and are signs of a poor side. I think those performances were both meaningless. Certainly feels that way now.
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Post by salopian on Aug 21, 2019 21:08:05 GMT
I don't even think the club would have the means to figure out how to reinvent themselves like Wolves did should we get relegated again. You're absolutely right and I've also been saying it for over 3 years, but we don't have people in charge to rectify this steaming mess. Without a doubt the club do not have the calibre or contacts or " know how" to do what Wolves did coming up from the 1st and to the championship and now flying in the Premier! Stoke is all to cosy and un accountable higher up and do lack ambition and ruthlessness to succeed now. Who ever really calls the shots these days doesn't really matter, the quality and ability and the ruthlessness just ain't good enough.
As you said over 3 years we have declined, but still many are blinkered by top 9 finishes , and ignore how we dropped down without accountable and " no fuss" and this season like last is over before it's even started!!
Bloody criminal !!! Were more run like we were the 1980's / 1990's then the first 7 - 8 years in the Premiership! Either they are totally out of their depth or bored of putting the effort into succeeding.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 21, 2019 21:11:31 GMT
People don’t want to hear it but it’s 100% true and has been for 3/4 years. This club is rotten to its very core. The issues lie deep and it will take a deep clean to solve them. We’re on the verge of a 5th manager in 2/2.5 seasons. That is a club that has deep, deep issues. Will sacking Jones solve them? No. Will it keep us up? Maybe. But changes at the top have to happen for this club to change. Make no mistake that this will get worse before it gets better. I don't think people don't want to hear it any more bayern. I'm not going to argue with any of what you say. The thing I can't square though, is how the "deep, deep issues" manifest themselves between a Saturday and a Wednesday? We had improved in every game this season, from a poor start admittedly. Against Derby there were still problems at the back but the players looked like they really cared and we were unlucky not to win. How do the deep issues and general malaise at the club re-infect the manager and every fookin player in the space of four days? In a way, I think you have answered your own question Potter- the fact that intermittently we perform well, but our most consistent setting is poor to mediocre highlights the fact that decision makers within the club are incapable of making the correct decision. The fall is currently showing no sign of slowing or even stopping. We could beat Leeds and lose the next 5 afterwards and few people would be surprised.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 21, 2019 21:12:20 GMT
Bayern = QAnon?
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Post by zelem on Aug 21, 2019 21:21:14 GMT
Although after his stint on question time i’m not the greatest coates fan, how anyone can come on here and call for him to leave is absolutely unbelievable! Probably the same folk who are slagging the club off on social media tonight yet don’t know the difference between know and no, their and there, of and off........ fuc*#ng brain dead!
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 21, 2019 21:25:39 GMT
When looking at how some other owners have acted with their clubs, I wouldn't be so hasty in wanting rid of the Coates's.
However, Scholes can go tomorrow for me. He's the one constant in the last 3 years of failure (outside of the owners)
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Post by loosestools on Aug 21, 2019 21:32:09 GMT
Even the pies are shit. There were no steak pies at the ground last Saturday so I had to suffer a potato and meat thing. It tasted like a bar of soap from the old pit head baths. Sack Wrights too, seeing as we are in need of a good old clear out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:35:53 GMT
Great idea. Let’s get rid of our multi millionaire local owner, who is also a stoke city fan.....
You couldn’t make it up
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Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2019 21:38:31 GMT
Great idea. Let’s get rid of our multi millionaire local owner, who is also a stoke city fan..... You couldn’t make it up Well said. Best post of the decade!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 21, 2019 21:39:24 GMT
Personally I feel since Peter stepped back the deterioration has been very very marked ,
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Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2019 21:41:37 GMT
Personally I feel since Peter stepped back the deterioration has been very very marked , Another excellent post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:43:45 GMT
Great idea. Let’s get rid of our multi millionaire local owner, who is also a stoke city fan..... You couldn’t make it up Who appointed PFL?
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