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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 21, 2019 21:43:52 GMT
Personally I feel since Peter stepped back the deterioration has been very very marked , I said this a good while ago. John has overseen this demise. It's a fucking old boys club, a hobby and chance to act the big I am.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:46:18 GMT
Great idea. Let’s get rid of our multi millionaire local owner, who is also a stoke city fan..... You couldn’t make it up Who appointed PFL? Could be the same owners that have piled absolutely millions into the club? You get some decisions right, you get some wrong. There are plenty of clubs who wish they had owners like ours with the financial backing we have
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 21, 2019 21:46:41 GMT
Unpopular opinion but we need new owners - Coates Family have had their time. We need new ideas and new direction Utterly ridiculous. You do realise there isn't a queue of people waiting to buy football clubs that lose money hand over fist and are saddled with debt? Why not drive them out again, smash the Waddington to pieces... And then see what a football club in a serious state looks like.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 21, 2019 21:49:49 GMT
All jones had to do in the summer was sign a couple of horrible bastards in midfield. And a left back.
It isn't rocket science. We keep appointing shit managers who sign shit players.
I think we'll be relegated again but I'd keep jones anyway. I've changed my mind. I'm worried who coates would appoint next. So let's keep jones.
Lets not forget coates appointed paul Lambert to try and keep us up in the premier league
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:50:32 GMT
Could be the same owners that have piled absolutely millions into the club? You get some decisions right, you get some wrong. There are plenty of clubs who wish they had owners like ours with the financial backing we have .... but they still appointed PFL.
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Aug 21, 2019 21:50:35 GMT
Unpopular opinion but we need new owners - Coates Family have had their time. We need new ideas and new direction Utterly ridiculous. You do realise there isn't a queue of people waiting to buy football clubs that lose money hand over fist and are saddled with debt? Why not drive them out again, smash the Waddington to pieces... And then see what a football club in a serious state looks like. Well carry on as we are and we’ll have the bestest owners in league 1. Are you pleased with how they’ve overseen the last few years or don’t you believe it’s anything to do with them?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 21, 2019 21:51:38 GMT
Could be the same owners that have piled absolutely millions into the club? You get some decisions right, you get some wrong. There are plenty of clubs who wish they had owners like ours with the financial backing we have True, but you have to accept they've got every decision wrong. Not just some...EVERY decision in recent years. Considering the resources they have, how have they let this happen?
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 21, 2019 21:52:18 GMT
It's depressing to see how far we've gone backwards in such a short period of time.
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 21, 2019 21:52:41 GMT
All jones had to do in the summer was sign a couple of horrible bastards in midfield. And a left back. It isn't rocket science. We keep appointing shit managers who sign shit players. I think we'll be relegated again but I'd keep jones anyway. I've changed my mind. I'm worried who coates would appoint next. So let's keep jones. Lets not forget coates appointed paul Lambert to try and keep us up in the premier league Had no choice as John and postman pat couldn't complete the deal for Sanchez. Hughes was right, "who else will do this job".... Lambert was pretty much bottom of the barrel. Him or no manager.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 21, 2019 21:53:33 GMT
Utterly ridiculous. You do realise there isn't a queue of people waiting to buy football clubs that lose money hand over fist and are saddled with debt? Why not drive them out again, smash the Waddington to pieces... And then see what a football club in a serious state looks like. Well carry on as we are and we’ll have the bestest owners in league 1. Are you pleased with how they’ve overseen the last few years or don’t you believe it’s anything to do with them? They put £60m on the table last summer, unfortunately they picked the wrong bloke. They've tried a total change of style this season, and looks like they've picked the wrong bloke. Criticise them for their recruitment of managers I can understand, but to think the grass is greener and someone would be daft enough to buy Stoke City and fund it like they have ... sorry but I'm struggling with that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:54:31 GMT
Could be the same owners that have piled absolutely millions into the club? You get some decisions right, you get some wrong. There are plenty of clubs who wish they had owners like ours with the financial backing we have .... but they still appointed PFL. And still poured in millions. Your probably right... they should sell up. After all we keep knocking back potential buyers don’t we. Them Icelandic’s seemed decent. Perhaps go back to them again. The good old days
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 21, 2019 21:55:59 GMT
.... but they still appointed PFL. And still poured in millions. Your probably right... they should sell up. After all we keep knocking back potential buyers don’t we. Them Icelandic’s seemed decent. Perhaps go back to them again. The good old days You're wasting your time mate. There's a queue round Blurton of billionaires waiting to buy us, can't you tell from all the bids they've rejected since buying it back? Bet they're glad they bothered.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 21, 2019 21:58:28 GMT
At some point around 3 years ago Denise put her foot down and said that her Dad needed to leave a self sustaining football club when he shuffles off this mortal coil as she had / has no interest in it whatsoever
We have gone downhill ever since
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:58:43 GMT
And still poured in millions. Your probably right... they should sell up. After all we keep knocking back potential buyers don’t we. Them Icelandic’s seemed decent. Perhaps go back to them again. The good old days You're wasting your time mate. There's a queue round Blurton of billionaires waiting to buy us, can't you tell from all the bids they've rejected since buying it back? Bet they're glad they bothered. I did actually think why am I replying to it mate but your right. Wasting my time. What some fans would do to have owners like ours in charge of there club. And we have fans saying they should leave. I’m amazed
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 21, 2019 21:58:52 GMT
People don’t want to hear it but it’s 100% true and has been for 3/4 years. This club is rotten to its very core. The issues lie deep and it will take a deep clean to solve them. We’re on the verge of a 5th manager in 2/2.5 seasons. That is a club that has deep, deep issues. Will sacking Jones solve them? No. Will it keep us up? Maybe. But changes at the top have to happen for this club to change. Make no mistake that this will get worse before it gets better. Why didn't you mention this before?? We might have been able to avoid this embarrassment.
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Aug 21, 2019 21:59:00 GMT
Well carry on as we are and we’ll have the bestest owners in league 1. Are you pleased with how they’ve overseen the last few years or don’t you believe it’s anything to do with them? They put £60m on the table last summer, unfortunately they picked the wrong bloke. They've tried a total change of style this season, and looks like they've picked the wrong bloke. Criticise them for their recruitment of managers I can understand, but to think the grass is greener and someone would be daft enough to buy Stoke City and fund it like they have ... sorry but I'm struggling with that. That’s the point I’m making though - in over 30 years of ownership of the club they’ve picked 2 decent managers and they’ve got Scholes overseeing the shit show that keeps getting worse - I’ve lost faith in them and their ability to run a successful football club
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 21, 2019 22:00:10 GMT
They put £60m on the table last summer, unfortunately they picked the wrong bloke. They've tried a total change of style this season, and looks like they've picked the wrong bloke. Criticise them for their recruitment of managers I can understand, but to think the grass is greener and someone would be daft enough to buy Stoke City and fund it like they have ... sorry but I'm struggling with that. That’s the point I’m making though - in over 30 years of ownership of the club they’ve picked 2 decent managers and they’ve got Scholes overseeing the shit show that keeps getting worse - I’ve lost faith in them and their ability to run a successful football club What's the alternative then? I hear Smurf is after a club?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:03:24 GMT
.... but they still appointed PFL. And still poured in millions. Your probably right... they should sell up. After all we keep knocking back potential buyers don’t we. Them Icelandic’s seemed decent. Perhaps go back to them again. The good old days Why pour in millions if you are going to appoint characters like PFL to manage your investment?
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Aug 21, 2019 22:03:32 GMT
That’s the point I’m making though - in over 30 years of ownership of the club they’ve picked 2 decent managers and they’ve got Scholes overseeing the shit show that keeps getting worse - I’ve lost faith in them and their ability to run a successful football club What's the alternative then? I hear Smurf is after a club? So let’s agree that you’re correct and there is no viable alternative - nobody able to run the club like they can or afford it - what do we do? Give them a free pass and tumble down the leagues because they’re ‘local billionaire fans’ and they’re decent fellas?
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Post by Dutchpeter on Aug 21, 2019 22:06:29 GMT
I like them but they need freshening up. Ideally I’d like Scholes sacked and a new young investor to work with them and to give them some energy. Thing is I don’t like Scholes or this obviously flawed ‘process’ I couldn’t stand Jez Moxey back in the day either but it can’t be a coincidence that the Coates Family employed both to perform key roles at the club. Macari and Pulis are exceptions to the rule when you look at their track record of appointing managers over the last 30 plus years They have been exceptionally poor at choosing managers, apart from Macari and Pulis. Then we get the grinding inertia coupled with this laissez faire attitude masked as unflappability.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 21, 2019 22:08:17 GMT
At some point around 3 years ago Denise put her foot down and said that her Dad needed to leave a self sustaining football club when he shuffles off this mortal coil as she had / has no interest in it whatsoever We have gone downhill ever since Yeh... Not too far off the truth with that actually. Said the same ages ago. Once those words were mentioned it was a downward spiral. Mega flop expensive signings. Managers with egos bigger than the Club. Lack of strategic planning and recruitment. CEO who couldn't run Longton market. Then "self-sufficiency" Crying shame.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 21, 2019 22:08:44 GMT
What's the alternative then? I hear Smurf is after a club? So let’s agree that you’re correct and there is no viable alternative - nobody able to run the club like they can or afford it - what do we do? Give them a free pass and tumble down the leagues because they’re ‘local billionaire fans’ and they’re decent fellas? Or drive them out, smash the place to pieces, they pull the plug and we go bust. That's the harsh reality. They're not immune to criticism and I'm sure they're hurting like anyone else but singing we want Coatsey out isn't going to help us out of this mess. They need a director of football and a decent one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:11:55 GMT
So let’s agree that you’re correct and there is no viable alternative - nobody able to run the club like they can or afford it - what do we do? Give them a free pass and tumble down the leagues because they’re ‘local billionaire fans’ and they’re decent fellas? Or drive them out, smash the place to pieces, they pull the plug and we go bust. That's the harsh reality. They're not immune to criticism and I'm sure they're hurting like anyone else but singing we want Coatsey out isn't going to help us out of this mess. They need a director of football and a decent one. But who will appoint this decent DOF?
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Aug 21, 2019 22:14:44 GMT
So let’s agree that you’re correct and there is no viable alternative - nobody able to run the club like they can or afford it - what do we do? Give them a free pass and tumble down the leagues because they’re ‘local billionaire fans’ and they’re decent fellas? Or drive them out, smash the place to pieces, they pull the plug and we go bust. That's the harsh reality. They're not immune to criticism and I'm sure they're hurting like anyone else but singing we want Coatsey out isn't going to help us out of this mess. They need a director of football and a decent one. Problem is do they know this? acknowledge this? realise this? Because chopping and changing managers and bringing in more and more players ain’t working and Stoke are going down the plug hole no matter how loyal or passionate Stoke supporters are
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 21, 2019 22:15:30 GMT
Or drive them out, smash the place to pieces, they pull the plug and we go bust. That's the harsh reality. They're not immune to criticism and I'm sure they're hurting like anyone else but singing we want Coatsey out isn't going to help us out of this mess. They need a director of football and a decent one. But who will appoint this decent DOF? They'll get one right eventually 😉
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Post by sergeifaye on Aug 21, 2019 22:37:16 GMT
Unpopular opinion but we need new owners - Coates Family have had their time. We need new ideas and new direction Lol who? Especially anybody near there level of finances? I know let the fans buy it out and let some of the geniuses on here run the club.
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Post by Mr Ron Agent on Aug 21, 2019 22:57:37 GMT
People don’t want to hear it but it’s 100% true and has been for 3/4 years. This club is rotten to its very core. The issues lie deep and it will take a deep clean to solve them. We’re on the verge of a 5th manager in 2/2.5 seasons. That is a club that has deep, deep issues. Will sacking Jones solve them? No. Will it keep us up? Maybe. But changes at the top have to happen for this club to change. Make no mistake that this will get worse before it gets better. Can you be more precise on exactly what changes you think need to be made?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2019 22:59:59 GMT
People don’t want to hear it but it’s 100% true and has been for 3/4 years. This club is rotten to its very core. The issues lie deep and it will take a deep clean to solve them. We’re on the verge of a 5th manager in 2/2.5 seasons. That is a club that has deep, deep issues. Will sacking Jones solve them? No. Will it keep us up? Maybe. But changes at the top have to happen for this club to change. Make no mistake that this will get worse before it gets better. Can you be more precise on exactly what changes you think need to be made? Coates Snr off the board. Coates Snr into the role Banksy had. Richard Smith Chairman. Scholes sacked. New younger more dynamic investor on the board who is allowed a chance to freshen it up.
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Post by RAF on Aug 21, 2019 23:02:42 GMT
Lessons learned. What is all the fuss about?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 21, 2019 23:04:56 GMT
“Rotten to the core” suggests skullduggery, malpractice, etc. What a s**t title for a post.
Do you honestly believe that NJ and his team represent something that is “rotten to the core”? Where criticism is warranted be constructive or does constructive criticism not hit the headlines or personal agenda’s?
There’s not one supporter who is more bitterly disappointed than me with our present predicament and the probable reasons behind it. Dont take every opportunity to try and whip up some hysterical negativity about everyone and everything......it’s not helpful.
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