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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2019 6:59:20 GMT
I think Peter Coates is a man who loves the club as much as all Stokies do ....he’s as bemused and disappointed as we all are in the results, I know that for a fact ..you can’t criticise him for trying to do his best for the club he’s thrown loads of cash at it and still is ...he wants to see stoke back in the prem, and so do we all. Nathan Jones is a manager that I believe will turn the club around, it may take a while and a lot of sweat and heartache, but I for one will always support Stoke City, there is no other team for me, So I will keep supporting Stoke and do my bit by singing even louder...As they say Rome wasn’t built in a day ...so we must rebuild our squad with players who have the backbone, and fight we need ....and then try to teach them about the diamond formation , which will probably be awesome once we get it working ...hopefully They’ve still made a hash of it though. It’s not about if he cares, if it’s on purpose etc, it’s about the last 3 years and the awful decisions made in that time. We’re close to Sunderland here.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 22, 2019 7:01:49 GMT
“Rotten to the core” suggests skullduggery, malpractice, etc. What a s**t title for a post. Do you honestly believe that NJ and his team represent something that is “rotten to the core”? Where criticism is warranted be constructive or does constructive criticism not hit the headlines or personal agenda’s? There’s not one supporter who is more bitterly disappointed than me with our present predicament and the probable reasons behind it. Dont take every opportunity to try and whip up some hysterical negativity about everyone and everything......it’s not helpful. Exactly. We have a good couple couple of performances against Charlton and derby, but not the results to go with it, then after last night we're rotten to the core? Poor performance yes. Rotten to the core? We are still carrying a confidence thing over 3 or 4 years now. Confidence is massive in football. I'd like to get a couple of wins on the bounce and see how that positively affected our play.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Aug 22, 2019 7:31:57 GMT
I dont really know whats the answer anymore.
I keep blaming different aspects but all of which has been addressed bar those at the very top.
The Coates family really need to have a discussion here and decide how theyre going to fix this 3 year decline. Sacking Jones isnt the answer for me, although if this run keeps going then I cant see him surviving in the role whether its his fault or not.
Im out of ideas and pretty much out of belief that, just for once, this club will actually start to give something back to the fans that pay to watch this shit show week in week out.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Aug 22, 2019 7:33:09 GMT
It's depressing to see how far we've gone backwards in such a short period of time. Its been 3 years though
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Post by Fred Ferret on Aug 22, 2019 7:41:05 GMT
Thing is I don’t like Scholes or this obviously flawed ‘process’ I couldn’t stand Jez Moxey back in the day either but it can’t be a coincidence that the Coates Family employed both to perform key roles at the club. Macari and Pulis are exceptions to the rule when you look at their track record of appointing managers over the last 30 plus years They have been exceptionally poor at choosing managers, apart from Macari and Pulis. Then we get the grinding inertia coupled with this laissez faire attitude masked as unflappability. To be fair, there is no way that we can’t accept that Mark Hughes wasn’ t a good appt for the 1st 2.5 years.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 22, 2019 8:33:42 GMT
I’ll repeat. We are not “Rotten to the core”. There are are people who are working their balls off to make the footballing side of SCFC successful. Whether or not their efforts are of the required standard is another question and time will tell. IMHO you are consistently trying to undermine anything and everything related SCFC. Who are working their balls off? That clearly is incorrect mate, the exact opposite in fact. Pugs There is no bigger critic of the disastrous mis-management of the organisation than me. I’m absolutely lost when trying to understand/consider the families apparent failures and positioning, I’m clear in my mind about a one Mr Tony Scholes. However moving on to NJ (including his coaching staff etc) I believe he is a genuine guy who is working his balls off trying to develop all things football. There are many acceptable arguments of whether he is the right man or not, time will tell. To use a scatter gun comment like “rotten to the core” is unfair and no more than headline grabbing. That was my point.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 22, 2019 8:39:31 GMT
It is pretty obvious really. The Coates family need to get rid of the entire board (even if one or two dont deserve it) and bring in a whole new team. It is only way to change the culture by starting at the top. Then give them free reign to address every single issue of the club.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 22, 2019 8:43:22 GMT
It is pretty obvious really. The Coates family need to get rid of the entire board (even if one or two dont deserve it) and bring in a whole new team. It is only way to change the culture by starting at the top. Then give them free reign to address every single issue of the club. The Coates family are the board with a couple of exceptions
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 22, 2019 8:44:44 GMT
It is pretty obvious really. The Coates family need to get rid of the entire board (even if one or two dont deserve it) and bring in a whole new team. It is only way to change the culture by starting at the top. Then give them free reign to address every single issue of the club. The Coates family are the board with a couple of exceptions ANd therefore they have to take a step back and let a new broom takeover
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 22, 2019 9:14:23 GMT
Who are working their balls off? That clearly is incorrect mate, the exact opposite in fact. Pugs There is no bigger critic of the disastrous mis-management of the organisation than me. I’m absolutely lost when trying to understand/consider the families apparent failures and positioning, I’m clear in my mind about a one Mr Tony Scholes. However moving on to NJ (including his coaching staff etc) I believe he is a genuine guy who is working his balls off trying to develop all things football. There are many acceptable arguments of whether he is the right man or not, time will tell. To use a scatter gun comment like “rotten to the core” is unfair and no more than headline grabbing. That was my point. So just a handful are working hard? Certainly not the owners and Execs. Certainly not the players. We are rotten, 100%
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Post by Davef on Aug 22, 2019 9:41:46 GMT
Just have a look at the league table for the real story of what kind of state we're currently in.
Yeah, it's early days, blah, blah, blah, but Swansea are second, having sold their two best players and with a brand new manager. No settling in period for Steve Cooper - his team have scored three goals in three successive matches. We haven't scored three in a game since December 23rd 2017!
Fulham are second. Not much of a hangover after relegation, three wins on the bounce for them after losing at Barnsley on day one.
Sheffield Wednesday are third with a caretaker manager in charge - three wins out of four for them.
Charlton are fourth and unbeaten, newly promoted and with the lowest budget in the league.
Birmingham are eighth with two wins. Another club with a new manager who no bastard had ever heard of who hasn't spent much and has lost his star striker.
The excuses are wearing tiresomely thin.
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Post by rawli on Aug 22, 2019 9:48:35 GMT
I understand how a previous poster believed that the title of this thread implied some sort of corruption other than "rotten", more of an illegal / fraudulent aspect. I don't think that the OP was implying any illegal activity whatsoever. Having cleared that up - I agree that the club is rotten to the core. We have seen how attempts to improve things from the manager downwards have failed - it is time to look up to the managerial decisions of the owners.
Let’s be honest. PC has never run a big corporation. BET365 was started and has always been run by Denise using money she borrowed from her father. All he’s ever run himself is a catering business and a few high street betting shops. It's not a big corporation. It's a medium sized business both in terms of number of employees and turnover.
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Post by pistol on Aug 22, 2019 18:08:04 GMT
Just have a look at the league table for the real story of what kind of state we're currently in. Yeah, it's early days, blah, blah, blah, but Swansea are second, having sold their two best players and with a brand new manager. No settling in period for Steve Cooper - his team have scored three goals in three successive matches. We haven't scored three in a game since December 23rd 2017! Fulham are second. Not much of a hangover after relegation, three wins on the bounce for them after losing at Barnsley on day one. Sheffield Wednesday are third with a caretaker manager in charge - three wins out of four for them. Charlton are fourth and unbeaten, newly promoted and with the lowest budget in the league. Birmingham are eighth with two wins. Another club with a new manager who no bastard had ever heard of who hasn't spent much and has lost his star striker. The excuses are wearing tiresomely thin. Are you meaning the excuses from the club or from the manager? Last year I couldn’t decide if Jones was a passionate genius or a god fearing whacko. It’s verging towards the latter. As for the club, as you point out, we haven’t had the new manager bounce with anyone since Hughes so what is holding them back. Rowett and Jones have been successful managers in the past so what’s going on. When Jones said before a game that we had ‘lost Benik’ that set off some alarm bells for me.
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Post by FrankButcher on Aug 22, 2019 18:30:29 GMT
The Coates family are the board with a couple of exceptions ANd therefore they have to take a step back and let a new broom takeover Wouldn't be a bad idea to hire a chairman and have him run the club for the family.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2019 19:05:16 GMT
It's a shame Denise has no interest in the club because with her acumen and money I genuinely believe we'd be on a par with where Wolves or Leicester are now, and trying to push the club brand further afield (such as the Asian market).
Denise made bet365 what it is now, with PC running the show there they'd be on a par with BetFred.
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Post by dreamtheater on Aug 24, 2019 15:47:02 GMT
Meanwhile, Benik Afobe banging them in for Bristol unabated now whilst
we are beyond hopeless
something very, very, rotten at that football club
From the core, the owners, the chief, the executive down to the team manager
even in the playing and non playing first team squads ( both of them)
something horrible
its the only conclusion you can possibly draw
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 24, 2019 15:53:47 GMT
Its a culture of blaming the playing staff but any organization with as shit management as we have had for years it will continue to rot from the top down until there is a clearout starting with Scholes.
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Post by meirparkpotter on Aug 24, 2019 16:01:42 GMT
What does "rotten to the core" even mean? Are you saying that every single employee at Stoke is absolutely useless and doing their best to intentionally sabotage the club and undermine it's supporters?
I honestly don't know what the problem is, and it would be fascinating to be a fly on the wall in the next board meeting and the next meeting between Jones and Scholes but rotten to the core we aren't.
We have to remember that Leeds have been out of the Prem for 15 years and even dropped down to League 1 for a few seasons before enjoying the run of form they're now experiencing and they're a bigger club than us...
As for where we go from here I haven't the foggiest... It's utterly baffling
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 24, 2019 16:02:30 GMT
Make no mistake we’re having a spell in the third tier.
How has it all gone this wrong so fucking fast?
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Post by dreamtheater on Aug 24, 2019 16:04:19 GMT
A) Rank Bad, negligent even, Football club ownership and management
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Post by norman conquest on Aug 24, 2019 16:19:26 GMT
We all have our own opinions of what went wrong, but my eyebrows were raised the day we virtualy gave the big German away, they have stayed raised ever since.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2019 8:01:06 GMT
There’s a lot of truth in this.
Scholes has to be sacked ASAP.
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Post by chell_rosey on Aug 25, 2019 8:03:56 GMT
I think Peter Coates is a man who loves the club as much as all Stokies do .... We’re close to Sunderland here. But without the fan base....
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Post by andystokey on Aug 25, 2019 8:09:04 GMT
A current "new" first team player reckons this is the worst dressing room he's ever been in.
That's even after the so called recent clean up.
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Post by cheshirepotter on Aug 25, 2019 8:13:52 GMT
Unpopular opinion but we need new owners - Coates Family have had their time. We need new ideas and new direction SOME ideas would be a start.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 25, 2019 8:15:02 GMT
There’s a lot of truth in this. Scholes has to be sacked ASAP. One would normally dismiss anything coming out of that particular camp but sadly it is plain to see that this is true
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Post by pieman72 on Aug 25, 2019 8:17:01 GMT
There are massive issues at the club. The players at the moment they are playing to get Nathan Jones sacked they can not be bothered to perform. There play and attitude is embarrassing they are a capable squad but they need to be told by the Coates Jones is the manager and is staying so grow up and do your job
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 8:33:57 GMT
So it's the clubs fault he regularly turned up late for training?
It's the clubs fault he turned up pissed in London in the early hours of a reserve game?
Do me a favour.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 25, 2019 8:38:14 GMT
It does seem odd that nearly every player who walks through the entrance instantly becomes poorer (in terms of ability not finances).
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 25, 2019 8:42:27 GMT
A current "new" first team player reckons this is the worst dressing room he's ever been in. That's even after the so called recent clean up. It's not beyond the realms of possibility to suggest Jones may have made new bad eggs, even after purging the old ones. Even so, if that is true what you have said then we are a right fucking mess.
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