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Post by nott1 on Aug 4, 2019 6:22:38 GMT
He clearly works his socks of for Stoke but why has this clown of a manager pushed Bojan out and signed several inferior players?
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Aug 4, 2019 6:29:11 GMT
Once again, fans' favourite Joe Allen was utter shit. We used to be a good side until he came. We're still shit with him in it. Midfield? What fucking midfield? Him tearing around like an untrained puppy, destroying any semblance of discipline and shape? Drop, sell, axe, I don't care. It's only a moron who falls for his "boundless energy" routine. I'll absolutely lump that useless hunk of wax Sam Clucas into that category as well. Diabolical. This diamond is shit enough as it is without forcing useless jobbers into these roles. Both need fucking off, and we need a better DM, and we need a better ACM. Our midfield is pure diarrhoea. Your not going to get a better ACM than Nick Powell in this league, the rest I agree with. Luckily we have a couple of lads who are having a bit of a rest after a long summer who should be held onto at any cost
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Post by harlequin on Aug 4, 2019 6:50:29 GMT
Is it Joe Allen going AWOL or is it the majority of the team sitting back when they should be pressing? The fact he’s hardly been dropped over the years suggests it’s the latter regardless of how incompetent you think the managers are, it wouldn’t make sense to keep a liability like that on the pitch.
Saying that I wouldn’t mind seeing a few games without him, just for the sake of comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 6:57:16 GMT
I’ve defended Joe Allen for a long time, but yesterday confirmed to me what many others have said, he’s the problem in the team.
No discipline, unable control the ball, pass it forward, essentially do anything creative.
He’s good at “ratting” and looks energetic, but at a huge cost to the team formation and plan.
I’d drop him, or better still, move him on.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2019 6:58:11 GMT
I’ve defended Joe Allen for a long time, but yesterday confirmed to me what many others have said, he’s the problem in the team. No discipline, unable control the ball, pass it forward, essentially do anything creative. He’s good at “ratting” and looks energetic, but at a huge cost to the team formation and plan. I’d drop him, or better still, move him on. He's basically Mo Farah masquerading as a footballer.
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Post by chad on Aug 4, 2019 7:00:13 GMT
We’ve got bigger problems than Joe Allen
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 4, 2019 7:05:52 GMT
We’ve got bigger problems than Joe Allen Maybe we have at the moment, it hasn't always been this bad during JA undroppable time here, getting shut of Joe, 2 years too late for my liking, would be a good starting point.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 4, 2019 7:07:02 GMT
Have to agree.
OP makes a point on Clucas but I’d keep him in there for now.
Drop Allen for Etebo.
Drop Cousins for Woods or Badou or a new player.
It’s Allen’s control that baffles me. A number of times yesterday we were in good positions and he let us down by taking three touches to get it under control. By that time QPR have players and their shape back.
It’s just so frustrating.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 4, 2019 7:09:00 GMT
We’ve got bigger problems than Joe Allen The only bigger problem is McClean at left back. Allen has been a huge reason for our demise. Not because he doesn’t give a shit but because he’s never fit into any system we’ve tried to play despite playing 100% of the time. If you don’t think that’s a problem then you are misguided. I don’t see how some supporters are still falling into the trap of him running around a lot meaning he must be good and it’s everyone else’s fault. He’s not awful and I don’t dislike him but he’s never been right for Stoke and watching him charge around aimlessly, misplacing passes and being out of position drives you up the wall after four seasons.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 4, 2019 7:10:34 GMT
Have to agree. OP makes a point on Clucas but I’d keep him in there for now. Drop Allen for Etebo. Drop Cousins for Woods or Badou or a new player. It’s Allen’s control that baffles me. A number of times yesterday we were in good positions and he let us down by taking three touches to get it under control. By that time QPR have players and their shape back. It’s just so frustrating. Once he finally had it under control he’d then play a square ball across the face of the box that QPR intercepted. He did this 3 times. It’s absolutely basic football that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 7:18:54 GMT
His body language was appalling yesterday. When we had that extended break in play he was sulking around with his shoulders slumped like he wanted to be anywhere but on the pitch. It got to the point where I wondered if a move is pencilled in for him pending a replacement being found by us, with him knowing we can't find one and it is about to be called off!
It was the first game of the season and it looked like it was the last the way he was moping around.
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Post by karl on Aug 4, 2019 7:22:50 GMT
His body language was appalling yesterday. When we had that extended break in play he was sulking around with his shoulders slumped like he wanted to be anywhere but on the pitch. It got to the point where I wondered if a move is pencilled in for him pending a replacement being found by us, with him knowing we can't find one and it is about to be called off! It was the first game of the season and it looked like it was the last the way he was moping around. We have already got a replacement in ndiaye when he is back on Monday
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Aug 4, 2019 7:22:56 GMT
His body language was appalling yesterday. When we had that extended break in play he was sulking around with his shoulders slumped like he wanted to be anywhere but on the pitch. It got to the point where I wondered if a move is pencilled in for him pending a replacement being found by us, with him knowing we can't find one and it is about to be called off! It was the first game of the season and it looked like it was the last the way he was moping around. Surely even our less than mercurial transfer team can conjure up a dog with a balloon from one of the myriad parks around S-O-T? 😉
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Post by march4 on Aug 4, 2019 7:27:06 GMT
Like most of our squad Joe Allen needs a manager who can keep him organised on the pitch.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Aug 4, 2019 7:33:20 GMT
Hard to disagree - the fact he got motm was laughable
The game just passed him by he can't tackle, can't pass and is brushed off far too easily by his opponent
We're in a ridiculous situtaion where we have to play him because he's a comparative "big name player" but he doesn't seem to fit into any system that we play. He just runs around a lot - Does anybody have his distance covered and his number of touches stats for yesterday?
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 4, 2019 7:43:02 GMT
i'm convinced there is a discreet contractual clause that insists he plays if fit
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Post by teflondel on Aug 4, 2019 7:44:32 GMT
Hard to disagree - the fact he got motm was laughable The game just passed him by he can't tackle, can't pass and is brushed off far too easily by his opponent We're in a ridiculous situtaion where we have to play him because he's a comparative "big name player" but he doesn't seem to fit into any system that we play. He just runs around a lot - Does anybody have his distance covered and his number of touches stats for yesterday? Also be interested to see where these touches were, is all well and good people giving positives for the way he runs around, but the truth is what he does is lose the shape of the team and leave gaps and our own players exposed. The only position in a team that you can have someone floating around is a number 10. He should be the first one dropped until he players where he is supposed to be.
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Post by nonameface on Aug 4, 2019 7:45:20 GMT
Offers nothing going forward or defensively, just sell him.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 4, 2019 7:59:18 GMT
I have now moved over to the Allen ain’t so good camp. I’m fed up with every second touch being a tackle and his constant losing of the ball. I’m not sure where his best position is but he seems to pull the rest of the midfield with him out of position as well. Running around like a mentalist is not enough.
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Post by adi on Aug 4, 2019 8:01:18 GMT
He clearly works his socks of for Stoke but why has this clown of a manager pushed Bojan out and signed several inferior players? Bojan #1 fan making a Joe Allen thread about Bojan and slagging off the manager again. You really are obsessed
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 4, 2019 8:07:53 GMT
If we get an offer over two million sell him.
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Post by milky on Aug 4, 2019 8:12:20 GMT
Quite simply we dont need him despite Jones now being the 4th manager to decide he is undroppable (or was that decided when he signed that new deal ).
Etebo does what Allen does only 100 times better.
Even that freak purple patch when he scored a few created more problems in the long run for us as Hughes, Lambert and even Rowett to an extent seemed convinced they could turn him into a number 10.
He isnt shit , he is just a beige type of player who doesnt really excel at anything and spends far too much time just going wherever the ball goes and more often than not fucks up any promising attacks with either appalling control or passing.
The kindest thing I could say about Joe Allen is he occasionally finds himself with decent goal scoring opportunities..which he invariably misses anyway.
We'd be better off without him.
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Post by philb on Aug 4, 2019 8:13:52 GMT
At one point in the first half, he went charging like a dog after a bicycle towards the QPR winger who was already being contained by McClean. That winger promptly passed it to the unmarked right back who whipped in a cross that very nearly made it 2-0. Typical Joe Allen. Look busy as you charge needlessly towards the ball, but in doing so leave a perfect gap for the opposition to exploit. I don’t doubt that he’s a good egg, but his lack of footballing intelligence is astounding for a bloke who has played so many games at the top level. Do you think maybe he felt he had to keep doing that as McClean was constantly getting ripped a new arsehole by their winger? Admittedly he was poor yesterday but good god there’s another 4 or 5 worse problems that we need to fix in that team than Joe Allen.
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 4, 2019 8:33:34 GMT
At one point in the first half, he went charging like a dog after a bicycle towards the QPR winger who was already being contained by McClean. That winger promptly passed it to the unmarked right back who whipped in a cross that very nearly made it 2-0. Typical Joe Allen. Look busy as you charge needlessly towards the ball, but in doing so leave a perfect gap for the opposition to exploit. I don’t doubt that he’s a good egg, but his lack of footballing intelligence is astounding for a bloke who has played so many games at the top level. Do you think maybe he felt he had to keep doing that as McClean was constantly getting ripped a new arsehole by their winger? Admittedly he was poor yesterday but good god there’s another 4 or 5 worse problems that we need to fix in that team than Joe Allen. That is how I read the situation too, JM was so far behind the play as a left back, it was clear as day QPR had targeted the left back area and managed it with ease. Fuck knows where we go when a semi decent team come to town. Joe Allen is not the problem, as useless as he is at the moment you get the feeling that his lack of positional discipline is out of necessity rather than anything else. On a side note has the weight of the ball changed? I ask as a good number of our team seem completely unable to trap the ball, Allen constantly taking 2 touches more than required and shortly before he was subbed Afobe managed to tackle himself and take the ball out of play.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 4, 2019 8:41:46 GMT
At one point in the first half, he went charging like a dog after a bicycle towards the QPR winger who was already being contained by McClean. That winger promptly passed it to the unmarked right back who whipped in a cross that very nearly made it 2-0. Typical Joe Allen. Look busy as you charge needlessly towards the ball, but in doing so leave a perfect gap for the opposition to exploit. I don’t doubt that he’s a good egg, but his lack of footballing intelligence is astounding for a bloke who has played so many games at the top level. Do you think maybe he felt he had to keep doing that as McClean was constantly getting ripped a new arsehole by their winger? Admittedly he was poor yesterday but good god there’s another 4 or 5 worse problems that we need to fix in that team than Joe Allen. I would suggest that Allen is a key problem if not the main problem. He has been a mainstay in a midfield that has continually lacked creativity and has been unable to maintain any form of control on a game. All these problems started very soon after Allen arrived.
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 4, 2019 8:44:29 GMT
He was awful today, was totally outmuscled by their midfield and gave the ball away far too much
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 4, 2019 8:52:29 GMT
We’ve got bigger problems than Joe Allen I reckon so. Vokes, Cousins, Smith, Clucas and Afobe for a start. All players who have been deemed shit on here, but managed to look decent at other clubs. Is Joe Allen that bad that he turns everyone around him into shit? Surely the players would be in the office saying "Boss, he's wank, none of us can play because he ruins everything we do!"? The manager is to blame if he (a) Can't see this is happening when it's obvious. (b) Can see what's happening, and does nowt about it. (c) Seemingly ruins previously good players by shoehorning the into roles they aren't suited to. I think (c) is more probable, but no player should be exempt from the chop, and like another poster said drop Allen for a spell and see what happens. This only applies if Jones keeps the diamond, though, because that might be the biggest problem. If we play 4-2-3-1 and improve , it might be nothing to do with Allen, it might just be that the diamond is wank.
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Post by jarhead on Aug 4, 2019 8:53:01 GMT
Worst player in this entire team by a considerable distance. Which when you look at the other shit we have, is a very impressive achievement. Can’t tackle Can’t trap a ball Can’t make intelligent runs Can’t hold his position Can’t pass Can’t shoot Can’t do anythingI honestly can’t wait for the day he goes, only then will we have a midfield that looks even half balanced. As you say he’s done nothing but ruin the team since he signed, and we’ve even dropped a fucking division and still continued to be shit in midfield, the one common denominator who’s been at the centre of that midfield consistently is Joe Allen. There’s a reason we haven’t been fighting the bids off for him, it’s because he’s absolutely wank, he’s pinching a living even at this level. Totally agree.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 8:58:26 GMT
At one point in the first half, he went charging like a dog after a bicycle towards the QPR winger who was already being contained by McClean. That winger promptly passed it to the unmarked right back who whipped in a cross that very nearly made it 2-0. Typical Joe Allen. Look busy as you charge needlessly towards the ball, but in doing so leave a perfect gap for the opposition to exploit. I don’t doubt that he’s a good egg, but his lack of footballing intelligence is astounding for a bloke who has played so many games at the top level. Do you think maybe he felt he had to keep doing that as McClean was constantly getting ripped a new arsehole by their winger? Admittedly he was poor yesterday but good god there’s another 4 or 5 worse problems that we need to fix in that team than Joe Allen. Yeah, but if his 'reputation' within the game can get him a move, we should just get rid. It's a huge problem, and has been since the day he signed. Before the game yesterday, when the team was announced, that midfield had the word 'abomination' scrawled all over it. Fucking terrible, you just know what you're getting before you've kicked off. The answer?....to get Etebo back and ready, and grovel to N'Diaye and get him interested again. I'm hoping this fixes it. I'd take £3m for Joe Allen today, clear him off the wage bill, and draw a line, and start again. He's the nucleus of our midfield problems.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 9:30:20 GMT
Him and McClean need separating immediately, it's an accident not waiting to happen, it's actually happening, it's an abject mess and one or both or them has to go. You make it sound like they are a teenage couple 😂 they just might be you know 😂 No, McClean is already spoken for. Those smiling Irish eyes are the manager's favourite plaything. To get rid of him (I would say please do), but you have to get rid of his partner first (and I'm not having that). So we have to stick with both. Allen, on the other hand, can run all the way to China, I couldn't care less.
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