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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 30, 2019 6:45:15 GMT
I mean into the Premier league ? Id like to think so and there is evidence to support this BUT
if you want that bit of real quality and that extra edge inevitably, you either retain it or, have to pay for it.
I'm understanding of, and happy with the change of approach but, remain convinced we need a couple of marquee signings to 'seal the deal'
Also
Far too much deadwood remains around the place, ranging from players who need to leave to pursue England careers
(Supposedly - why should it make any fucking difference anyway? )
An individual who should've be sacked, those who simply dont want to play for us plus , the simple mercenary greedy bastards of modern day football
down to - those who we paid big bucks for (and continue to do so) whom, would not get into my local pub team (Wimmer)
I sincerely hope for a successful season for Stoke City I really do but - I cant help feeling we've just built a slightly better and more committed championship side in truth
We really need to get out of this league pronto - LAST SEASON WAS OUR BEST CHANCE
we really now are on plan B
and we wont have a plan C
thoughts ?
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Post by neddy on Jun 30, 2019 6:49:31 GMT
Wait till the end of the window then decide....
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Post by stokiemac on Jun 30, 2019 6:50:52 GMT
In my view I'm happy so far. Etebo, Allen, Vokes, Afobe, Ince, McLean, Clucas etc were all good money and will remain a part of the team/squad....we are only adding some free transfers to what is the most expensive squad in the league
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Jun 30, 2019 6:53:40 GMT
In short - YES!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 6:55:24 GMT
A team of carefully selected freebies for a particular system will be more successful than a group of players who have cost 50M+ and just thrown together without any thought of whether they can play the roles they are being bought for.
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Post by werrington on Jun 30, 2019 7:12:55 GMT
They are only free transfers ( apart from Cousins) because they’ve run down their contract
There’s free transfers and there’s free transfers ....the Bosman thing has been around since 1995 yet people still don’t grasp it
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 30, 2019 7:30:00 GMT
Baldock 650k
Basham Free
Duffy Free
Egan £4.1m
Fleck Free
Freeman Free
Henderson Loan
McGoldrick Free (after trial)
Norwood £2m
O'Connell 250k
Sharp £630k
Stevens 225k
Sheff Utd's most-used 12 players cost just over £8m.
It can be done.
The bulk of the division still really don't like spending money and the type of wages we're spending on the likes of Powell and Gregory would give them several heart attacks.
I bet even this new 'frugal' 2019 Stoke is operating on a level that few Championship teams can operate at
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Post by questionable on Jun 30, 2019 7:36:50 GMT
Anything is possible but for those who still believe that these are 100% Jones signings that’s not possible.
Jones has showed that his only knowledge stems back a few years ago from some lad from Charlton who once showed a little potential who Jones now sees as his pivotal positional player (QPR don’t want him) in his fabled all conquering conquest of the Championship.
How people still fall for the crap that Scholes spews amazes me.
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Post by upthefud on Jun 30, 2019 7:39:21 GMT
A team of Ricardo Fullers or a team of Kevin Wimmer’s
Honestly I think some people on this board are genuinely clueless. They’d rather spend £8m on Powell than sign him on a free just for the sake of it.
The amount you pay for a player doesn’t make one jot of difference to his ability
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Post by upthefud on Jun 30, 2019 7:40:23 GMT
Anything is possible but for those who still believe that these are 100% Jones signings that’s not possible. Jones has showed that his only knowledge stems back a few years ago from some lad from Charlton who once showed a little potential who Jones now sees as his pivotal positional player (QPR don’t want him) in his fabled all conquering conquest of the Championship. How people still fall for the crap that Scholes spews amazes me. Different players play different roles in different teams, no? |
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Post by johno1112 on Jun 30, 2019 7:40:53 GMT
My worry is, it is free transfers from a limited pool, mainly players that NJ has some kind of prior knowledge of.
Pukki at Norwich last season was signed on a free but he hasn’t played in league one (to my knowledge)
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 30, 2019 7:45:07 GMT
I mean into the Premier league ? Id like to think so and there is evidence to support this BUT if you want that bit of real quality and that extra edge inevitably, you either retain it or, have to pay for it. I'm understanding of, and happy with the change of approach but, remain convinced we need a couple of marquee signings to 'seal the deal' Also Far too much deadwood remains around the place, ranging from players who need to leave to pursue England careers (Supposedly - why should it make any fucking difference anyway? ) An individual who should've be sacked, those who simply dont want to play for us plus , the simple mercenary greedy bastards of modern day football down to - those who we paid big bucks for (and continue to do so) whom, would not get into my local pub team (Wimmer) I sincerely hope for a successful season for Stoke City I really do but - I cant help feeling we've just built a slightly better and more committed championship side in truth We really need to get out of this league pronto - LAST SEASON WAS OUR BEST CHANCE we really now are on plan B and we wont have a plan C thoughts ? Compare what we spent last season with what Norwich and Sheffield Utd spent. You just have to be smart. Whether or not we have been isn’t clear yet. And there’s a month of the window left. As far as the deadwood goes, you can’t just click your fingers and make it all go away. If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 30, 2019 7:48:28 GMT
Anything is possible but for those who still believe that these are 100% Jones signings that’s not possible. Jones has showed that his only knowledge stems back a few years ago from some lad from Charlton who once showed a little potential who Jones now sees as his pivotal positional player (QPR don’t want him) in his fabled all conquering conquest of the Championship. How people still fall for the crap that Scholes spews amazes me. Of course they're not "100% Jones signings" in the sense that Jones is sent into a dark room to try and divine a name from somewhere. We've got a very expensive scouting department and if they had no input, what's the point of them? But there's ZERO evidence that these aren't the players Jones wants. He just could not be any more explicit that that's the case. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfers-nathan-jones-3019274“I’m really pleased that we have managed to make these five signings. It has been an ongoing process for three to four months and I’d like to thank the club because they have backed my judgement. “These players are signings that I think are going to be key for us in terms of enhancing the environment and improving results" How anyone could listen to that 10-minute interview him and still think this lot weren't his picks I've got no idea? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-transfers-nathan-jones-3036092“We don’t just go out and think, ‘He’s a good footballer so let’s get him in’. We’ve done due diligence on every single person, massive due diligence, four months of due diligence on everyone we’ve brought in because we’ve needed to change the environment. “It’s already a different place. We are really looking forward to what we can do.” “In my recruitment I don’t think I ever make too many mistakes. We get it right when we make signings because we know exactly why we bring people in.” |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 30, 2019 7:51:18 GMT
Anything is possible but for those who still believe that these are 100% Jones signings that’s not possible. Jones has showed that his only knowledge stems back a few years ago from some lad from Charlton who once showed a little potential who Jones now sees as his pivotal positional player (QPR don’t want him) in his fabled all conquering conquest of the Championship. How people still fall for the crap that Scholes spews amazes me. That people still don’t get how the system works amazes me. |
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Jun 30, 2019 7:52:10 GMT
I've just been looking at and old promotion season oatcake and we had Carlo Nash in goal, Chris Riggot at right back, Danny Pugh on a variety of positions. Point being, there are so many factors associated with a successful team its difficult to say what works and what does not. If it was common knowledge then we'd all be doing it.
You have to trust you managers discretion and if not, hold on for the ride.
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Post by Davef on Jun 30, 2019 8:34:06 GMT
We won't be a team a free transfers though will we?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 30, 2019 8:35:17 GMT
Anything is possible but for those who still believe that these are 100% Jones signings that’s not possible. Jones has showed that his only knowledge stems back a few years ago from some lad from Charlton who once showed a little potential who Jones now sees as his pivotal positional player (QPR don’t want him) in his fabled all conquering conquest of the Championship. How people still fall for the crap that Scholes spews amazes me. That people still don’t get how the system works amazes me. Yeah why else would we sign a 34 year old from Beswicks’ other club? |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 30, 2019 8:39:22 GMT
We won't be a team a free transfers though will we? Nah, the fact out team will contain the likes of Allen, Etebo, Vokes, Clucas etc is being conveniently swept under the carpet. Surprise, surprise. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 30, 2019 8:41:43 GMT
I'm surprised most transfers these days are not free transfers. If I was a player why not run down your contract and you get a bigger joining bonus from the club you join as they don't have to pay your old club a fee?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 30, 2019 8:45:54 GMT
We won't be a team a free transfers though will we? Nah, the fact out team will contain the likes of Allen, Etebo, Vokes, Clucas etc is being conveniently swept under the carpet. Surprise, surprise. That’s my issue with these signings and far from sweeping them under the carpet. They’re not better than what we have. They all seem ok bar Cousins but he has somewhat of a free reign to try and develop which is interesting, massive gamble but interesting. Bar Powell and even then I’d prefer Bojan, I don’t want any of them starting the first game.  |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 30, 2019 8:47:41 GMT
We got demoted by randomly splashing the cash so I can't see why we can't get promoted by judicious use of a limited budget on the players required for a particular game plan.
As to Jones not having the casting votes on signings..thanks Moulder we'll let you know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 8:54:58 GMT
In my view I'm happy so far. Etebo, Allen, Vokes, Afobe, Ince, McLean, Clucas etc were all good money and will remain a part of the team/squad....we are only adding some free transfers to what is the most expensive squad in the league Afobe was good money, when? Only adding to the most expensive squad that failed spectacularly last season. Or have you already forgotten that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 8:58:45 GMT
I'm surprised most transfers these days are not free transfers. If I was a player why not run down your contract and you get a bigger joining bonus from the club you join as they don't have to pay your old club a fee? Because there's always a risk that no one's going to sign a player that ran down his contract at his previous club and hasn't played much or at all in the previous couple of years. But, I'll grant you, it's a method that seems to be working very well for several current and former Stoke players |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 30, 2019 9:02:08 GMT
I'm surprised most transfers these days are not free transfers. If I was a player why not run down your contract and you get a bigger joining bonus from the club you join as they don't have to pay your old club a fee? Because there's always a risk that no one's going to sign a player that ran down his contract at his previous club and hasn't played much or at all in the previous couple of years. But, I'll grant you, it's a method that seems to be working very well for several current and former Stoke players I'm sure some players have been tapped up beforehand. Obviously, if you're as bad a player as me, you sign as long a contract as you can over and over. Maybe I should have been signed by Stoke! I'm a great bench sitter, can do a video of me training, etc, and I'd do it all for 2 grand a week!! |
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jun 30, 2019 9:07:06 GMT
They are only free transfers ( apart from Cousins) because they’ve run down their contract There’s free transfers and there’s free transfers ....the Bosman thing has been around since 1995 yet people still don’t grasp it Correct. It's incredible to think that pre Bosman, a club effectively owned a player and could refuse to part with him - even at the end of a contract - unless a fee was agreed. I cannot think of another sector where such staggering restraint of trade would have been legal. Another legacy of Jean-Marc Bosman is that a player's capital value (the tranfer fee) often dimishes as the end of the contract approaches. Nor do I recall where Butland is in his contract. I judge it unlikely, but not impossible, that he could in due course be a "free". Just imagine the meltdown and befuddlement on here if that transpired. |
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Post by Davef on Jun 30, 2019 9:08:03 GMT
Because there's always a risk that no one's going to sign a player that ran down his contract at his previous club and hasn't played much or at all in the previous couple of years. But, I'll grant you, it's a method that seems to be working very well for several current and former Stoke players I'm sure some players have been tapped up beforehand. Obviously, if you're as bad a player as me, you sign as long a contract as you can over and over. Maybe I should have been signed by Stoke! I'm a great bench sitter, can do a video of me training, etc, and I'd do it all for 2 grand a week!! Players are entitled to talk to other clubs six months before their contracts are up. No tapping up required. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 30, 2019 9:08:24 GMT
They are only free transfers ( apart from Cousins) because they’ve run down their contract There’s free transfers and there’s free transfers ....the Bosman thing has been around since 1995 yet people still don’t grasp it Correct. It's incredible to think that pre Bosman, a club effectively owned a player and could refuse to part with him - even at the end of a contract - unless a fee was agreed. I cannot think of another sector where such staggering restraint of trade would have been legal. Another legacy of Jean-Marc Bosman is that a player's capital value (the tranfer fee) often dimishes as the end of the contract approaches. Nor do I recall where Butland is in his contract. I judge it unlikely, but not impossible, that he could in due course be a "free". Just imagine the meltdown and befuddlement on here if that transpired. Yeah imagine the club not managing it’s assets in a fit and proper way. The shock that would transpire. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 30, 2019 9:09:38 GMT
Nah, the fact out team will contain the likes of Allen, Etebo, Vokes, Clucas etc is being conveniently swept under the carpet. Surprise, surprise. That’s my issue with these signings and far from sweeping them under the carpet. They’re not better than what we have. They all seem ok bar Cousins but he has somewhat of a free reign to try and develop which is interesting, massive gamble but interesting. Bar Powell and even then I’d prefer Bojan, I don’t want any of them starting the first game. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by Gregory mate, he's a good player. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 30, 2019 9:13:00 GMT
That’s my issue with these signings and far from sweeping them under the carpet. They’re not better than what we have. They all seem ok bar Cousins but he has somewhat of a free reign to try and develop which is interesting, massive gamble but interesting. Bar Powell and even then I’d prefer Bojan, I don’t want any of them starting the first game. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by Gregory mate, he's a good player. I think I’ll like him if he used sparingly. He seems very much in the mould of Walters who I didn’t like because he was used far too much to everyone’s detriment. Use him in the correct games though and I agree I think I will. I have no doubt that most fans will love him cos he runs around a lot though. Just think we need another striker still and that’s why I’m not going to shout from the rooftops about it. They all seem ok but I don’t feel like any issue we had has been solved. |
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Post by skemstokie on Jun 30, 2019 9:13:01 GMT
I mean into the Premier league ? Id like to think so and there is evidence to support this BUT if you want that bit of real quality and that extra edge inevitably, you either retain it or, have to pay for it. I'm understanding of, and happy with the change of approach but, remain convinced we need a couple of marquee signings to 'seal the deal' Also Far too much deadwood remains around the place, ranging from players who need to leave to pursue England careers (Supposedly - why should it make any fucking difference anyway? ) An individual who should've be sacked, those who simply dont want to play for us plus , the simple mercenary greedy bastards of modern day football down to - those who we paid big bucks for (and continue to do so) whom, would not get into my local pub team (Wimmer) I sincerely hope for a successful season for Stoke City I really do but - I cant help feeling we've just built a slightly better and more committed championship side in truth We really need to get out of this league pronto - LAST SEASON WAS OUR BEST CHANCE we really now are on plan B and we wont have a plan C thoughts ? They have as good a chance as some of our multi million pound signings,Wimmer. Imbula,Badou. Berahino offered very little so give them a chance ? |
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