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Post by mattador78 on Jun 30, 2019 11:42:13 GMT
Lets look at it logically there are about eight players the manager needs to shift. He’s brought in 6 for minimal outlay on transfers and for probably less than the wages we were paying for the players like affelay, Adam, Williams, Haugaard, Cuco and fletcher who have been released or sent back to their respective clubs! If we can move the others on cleverly and get fees for a couple like Butland the manager still has room to manoeuvre in the transfer market and would still be left with a decent pot for January strengthening. There is to much football manager and fifa thinking applied to transfers by most fans, even with a director of football model 99% of the time the manager still signs off on first team players.
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 30, 2019 12:06:58 GMT
No. Many success factors are missing: Sheff U did it but with a very stable management in place and several years of learning a system with a close knit group of pros. It was won with togetherness, focus, and stability. (Cardiff got promoted this way too) Norwich did it but with some really leading talent in their manager and DOF - developed and honed at leading clubs. (Newcastle, Villa, Huddersfield, Boro, Fulham... had similar levels of managerial/DOF experience in elite environments). People with this experience a) know how to win, b) secure great loans, c) know the European markets as well as domestic ones and use them well - this is aside d) being coaches that have beat off competition to get where they are. People are forgetting we have plumped and gambled heavily on a guy with half a good year at Luton. Meanwhile, our whereas the technical footballing leadership of our club is from Leek. Pls compare to the aforementioned clubs where it was gained at Atletico Madrids, Borrussia Dortmunds, Liverpools and national set ups, surrounded, undoubtedly with the top fitness coaches, sports scientists, psychologists, nutriotionists, consultants etc. Hope we finsih top 10, expecting 14th-18th if nothing changes from now to the end of the window (Jones gone by around Xmas) ..... but am also being told on here we will get better players in, so am waiting to upgrade the prognosis once we find a way to create some goals, particularly from wing backs, but also CMF, as well as pace up front. 'half a good year at Luton' Incorrect Two good years all told. Still a gamble? Maybe but not as much as you've made out. Well, i don''t think it was his first year at Luton that landed him the job! So would disagree - it was the 1/2 good year, last year, that was most pivotal and sent him into consideration for Championship jobs. Looking at the 40 managers who helped their teams get promotion from League Two over the past ten years , 2 subsequently won Championship promotions (Howe and Wilder), 1 other (Rowett) a play off place. A cluster have come to occupy jobs in the Championship, but with general low levels of success. The two who got promotions also built their teams over several years. The number who have made the transition - in ten years - from being a League two promotion manager to Championship promotion manager with another club in their first full season is therefore precsisely zero; those doing it with another club is 1 in 40. Ergo sum: No one in their right mind would conclude a League Two promotion manager as being well qualified to lead a Championship promotion team. I'd say choosing a manager - or more broadly, your football management leadership team - without the experiences, qualities, achievements etc that are generally present amongst the successful hierachy of recent promoted Championship clubs (or contenders, who reach the playoffs) is (to put it in the politest way possible) a very big gamble if promotion is your aim. Let's be a little precise though with what we are saying here: NJ is not a gamble, if your aim is to assemble a team that makes the best of free signings and cheaper L1 talent though while cutting costs. Such managers - Keith Hill, Cook, Allen, etc who did it once have often done it again (and sometimes again). He's as low a risk gamble for that task as you could probably get - few having better recent credentials. I think many of us thought he was an appointment for precisely this task, to create the best fighting unit we could with 30m-40m less player assets on our books, having long thought the drivel coming from the PR team was precisely that. Nothing from that has changed has it, other than we've moved on with the restructuring plan? * Cotterill (Notts Co), Still (Dagenham), Hill (Rochdale), Sheridan (Chesterfield), Knill (Bury), Waddock (Wycombe),Westley (Stevenage), Di Canio (Swindon), Turner (Shewsbury), , Steve Evans (Crawley), Gradi/Davis (Crewe), Martin Allen (Gills), Steve Evans (Rotherham), Micky Adams (Vale), Phil Parkinson (Bradford), Chris Wilder (Northampton promotion 2015/16) and Gary Rowett (Derby play offs 2017/18) as the two that have since gone on to be a successful championship manager, denoted by either a promotion or play off place:- others of promoted clubs since 2014/15 are: Paul Cook (Chesterfield), Brian Laws (Scunthorpe), Keith Hill (Rochdale), Graham Alexander (Fleetwood), Mick Mellon (Shrewsbury), Phil Brown (Southend), Michael Appteton (Oxford), Darrell Clarke (Oxford), Neal Ardley (Wimbledon), Paul Cook (Portsmouth), Derek Adams (Plymouth), Darren Ferguson (Doncaster), John Coleman (Accrington), Gareth Ainsworth (Wycombe), Mark Robins (Cov).
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 30, 2019 12:11:43 GMT
'half a good year at Luton' Incorrect Two good years all told. Still a gamble? Maybe but not as much as you've made out. Well, i don''t think it was his first year at Luton that landed him the job! So would disagree - it was the 1/2 good year, last year, that was most pivotal and sent him into consideration for Championship jobs. Looking at the 40 managers who helped their teams get promotion from League Two over the past ten years , 2 subsequently won Championship promotions (Howe and Wilder), 1 other (Rowett) a play off place. A cluster have come to occupy jobs in the Championship, but with general low levels of success. The two who got promotions also built their teams over several years. The number who have made the transition - in ten years - from being a League two promotion manager to Championship promotion manager with another club in their first full season is therefore precsisely zero; those doing it with another club is 1 in 40. Ergo sum: No one in their right mind would conclude a League Two promotion manager as being well qualified to lead a Championship promotion team. I'd say choosing a manager - or more broadly, your football management leadership team - without the experiences, qualities, achievements etc that are generally present amongst the successful hierachy of recent promoted Championship clubs (or contenders, who reach the playoffs) is (to put it in the politest way possible) a very big gamble if promotion is your aim. Let's be a little precise though with what we are saying here: NJ is not a gamble, if your aim is to assemble a team that makes the best of free signings and cheaper L1 talent though while cutting costs. Such managers - Keith Hill, Cook, Allen, etc who did it once have often done it again (and sometimes again). He's as low a risk gamble for that task as you could probably get - few having better recent credentials. I think many of us thought he was an appointment for precisely this task, to create the best fighting unit we could with 30m-40m less player assets on our books, having long thought the drivel coming from the PR team as precisely that. Nothing from that has changed has it, other than we've moved on with the restructuring plan? * Cotterill (Notts Co), Still (Dagenham), Hill (Rochdale), Sheridan (Chesterfield), Knill (Bury), Waddock (Wycombe),Westley (Stevenage), Di Canio (Swindon), Turner (Shewsbury), , Steve Evans (Crawley), Gradi/Davis (Crewe), Martin Allen (Gills), Steve Evans (Rotherham), Micky Adams (Vale), Phil Parkinson (Bradford), Chris Wilder (Northampton promotion 2015/16) and Gary Rowett (Derby play offs 2017/18) as the two that have since gone on to be a successful championship manager, denoted by either a promotion or play off place:- others of promoted clubs since 2014/15 are: Paul Cook (Chesterfield), Brian Laws (Scunthorpe), Keith Hill (Rochdale), Graham Alexander (Fleetwood), Mick Mellon (Shrewsbury), Phil Brown (Southend), Michael Appteton (Oxford), Darrell Clarke (Oxford), Neal Ardley (Wimbledon), Paul Cook (Portsmouth), Derek Adams (Plymouth), Darren Ferguson (Doncaster), John Coleman (Accrington), Gareth Ainsworth (Wycombe), Mark Robins (Cov). It’s the whole package, the whole job he did at Luton. You can’t divorce one part from the rest.
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Post by medwaypotter on Jun 30, 2019 12:12:34 GMT
Probably because Bayern accused someone of being a racist when they wrote foreigner. That’s not actually what happened though is it? It was the negative connotations and context that was the issue, not the use of the word. Oh yes, the poster used that other racist comment, tippy tappy. Jeez
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 30, 2019 12:15:49 GMT
Well, i don''t think it was his first year at Luton that landed him the job! So would disagree - it was the 1/2 good year, last year, that was most pivotal and sent him into consideration for Championship jobs. Looking at the 40 managers who helped their teams get promotion from League Two over the past ten years , 2 subsequently won Championship promotions (Howe and Wilder), 1 other (Rowett) a play off place. A cluster have come to occupy jobs in the Championship, but with general low levels of success. The two who got promotions also built their teams over several years. The number who have made the transition - in ten years - from being a League two promotion manager to Championship promotion manager with another club in their first full season is therefore precsisely zero; those doing it with another club is 1 in 40. Ergo sum: No one in their right mind would conclude a League Two promotion manager as being well qualified to lead a Championship promotion team. I'd say choosing a manager - or more broadly, your football management leadership team - without the experiences, qualities, achievements etc that are generally present amongst the successful hierachy of recent promoted Championship clubs (or contenders, who reach the playoffs) is (to put it in the politest way possible) a very big gamble if promotion is your aim. Let's be a little precise though with what we are saying here: NJ is not a gamble, if your aim is to assemble a team that makes the best of free signings and cheaper L1 talent though while cutting costs. Such managers - Keith Hill, Cook, Allen, etc who did it once have often done it again (and sometimes again). He's as low a risk gamble for that task as you could probably get - few having better recent credentials. I think many of us thought he was an appointment for precisely this task, to create the best fighting unit we could with 30m-40m less player assets on our books, having long thought the drivel coming from the PR team as precisely that. Nothing from that has changed has it, other than we've moved on with the restructuring plan? * Cotterill (Notts Co), Still (Dagenham), Hill (Rochdale), Sheridan (Chesterfield), Knill (Bury), Waddock (Wycombe),Westley (Stevenage), Di Canio (Swindon), Turner (Shewsbury), , Steve Evans (Crawley), Gradi/Davis (Crewe), Martin Allen (Gills), Steve Evans (Rotherham), Micky Adams (Vale), Phil Parkinson (Bradford), Chris Wilder (Northampton promotion 2015/16) and Gary Rowett (Derby play offs 2017/18) as the two that have since gone on to be a successful championship manager, denoted by either a promotion or play off place:- others of promoted clubs since 2014/15 are: Paul Cook (Chesterfield), Brian Laws (Scunthorpe), Keith Hill (Rochdale), Graham Alexander (Fleetwood), Mick Mellon (Shrewsbury), Phil Brown (Southend), Michael Appteton (Oxford), Darrell Clarke (Oxford), Neal Ardley (Wimbledon), Paul Cook (Portsmouth), Derek Adams (Plymouth), Darren Ferguson (Doncaster), John Coleman (Accrington), Gareth Ainsworth (Wycombe), Mark Robins (Cov). It’s the whole package, the whole job he did at Luton. You can’t divorce one part from the rest. Yes, he did a very very good job. A job that demonstrated excellent credentials for restructuring a troubled club. What NJ proved was that he was a match for a particular type of "job" / challenge with certain attributes. He did it very well Ten years (probably more like 20 actually, if i could be bothered to go back) put the chances of those same skills translating into being a Championship promotion manager at somewhere in the region of 1 in 40. If I was NJ's career adviser I'd tell him to go work at Liverpool/Chelsea/Valencia/Bayern Munich as a senior coach for 12-24 mths. Learn. Come back and synthesise knowledge of leading practices with your passion, energy, tenacity and raw coaching talent.
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Post by zerps on Jun 30, 2019 12:21:17 GMT
It’s the whole package, the whole job he did at Luton. You can’t divorce one part from the rest. Yes, he did a very very good job. A job that demonstrated excellent credentials for restructuring a troubled club. What NJ proved was that he was a match for a particular type of "job" / challenge with certain attributes. He did it very well Ten years (probably more like 20 actually, if i could be bothered to go back) put the chances of those same skills translating into being a Championship promotion manager at somewhere in the region of 1 in 40. If I was NJ's career adviser I'd tell him to go work at Liverpool/Chelsea/Valencia/Bayern Munich as a senior coach for 12-24 mths. Learn. Come back and synthesise knowledge of leading practices with your passion, energy, tenacity and raw coaching talent. Good stats there
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 30, 2019 12:22:04 GMT
That’s not actually what happened though is it? It was the negative connotations and context that was the issue, not the use of the word. Oh yes, the poster used that other racist comment, tippy tappy. Jeez Do you think the context was complimentary? It wasn’t racist but it was xenophobic, ignorant nonsense.
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Post by zerps on Jun 30, 2019 12:24:01 GMT
Oh yes, the poster used that other racist comment, tippy tappy. Jeez Do you think the context was complimentary? It wasn’t racist but it was xenophobic, ignorant nonsense. Who gives a flying fuck? Just you? Looks like it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 30, 2019 12:24:47 GMT
It’s the whole package, the whole job he did at Luton. You can’t divorce one part from the rest. Yes, he did a very very good job. A job that demonstrated excellent credentials for restructuring a troubled club. What NJ proved was that he was a match for a particular type of "job" / challenge with certain attributes. He did it very well Ten years (probably more like 20 actually, if i could be bothered to go back) put the chances of those same skills translating into being a Championship promotion manager at somewhere in the region of 1 in 40. If I was NJ's career adviser I'd tell him to go work at Liverpool/Chelsea/Valencia/Bayern Munich as a senior coach for 12-24 mths. Learn. Come back and synthesise knowledge of leading practices with your passion, energy, tenacity and raw coaching talent. Just like Chris Wilder did you mean? Or Dean Smith?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 30, 2019 12:25:27 GMT
Do you think the context was complimentary? It wasn’t racist but it was xenophobic, ignorant nonsense. Who gives a flying fuck? Just you? Looks like it. I wasn’t the person who cried about ‘not being able to say foreigner’ on the thread.
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Post by zerps on Jun 30, 2019 12:29:13 GMT
Who gives a flying fuck? Just you? Looks like it. I wasn’t the person who cried about ‘not being able to say foreigner’ on the thread. Not crying mate, laughing my bag off at losers like yourself
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 30, 2019 12:36:12 GMT
Yes, he did a very very good job. A job that demonstrated excellent credentials for restructuring a troubled club. What NJ proved was that he was a match for a particular type of "job" / challenge with certain attributes. He did it very well Ten years (probably more like 20 actually, if i could be bothered to go back) put the chances of those same skills translating into being a Championship promotion manager at somewhere in the region of 1 in 40. If I was NJ's career adviser I'd tell him to go work at Liverpool/Chelsea/Valencia/Bayern Munich as a senior coach for 12-24 mths. Learn. Come back and synthesise knowledge of leading practices with your passion, energy, tenacity and raw coaching talent. Just like Chris Wilder did you mean? Or Dean Smith? I am noting that Chris Wilder is a rarity - and i think NJ would be stacking more odds in his favour of being a successful manager further up the pyramid if he added certain experience to his undoubted talent. Dean Smith transitioned to being a good Championship manager with Brentford, and from League One with Walsall, and not League Two (small pt). Smith clearly did well at Villa but from the wider picture of what is creating success amongst Championship clubs of late, id say Villa's success is also attributable to the knowledge and experience of Pitarch - DOF at Valencia with Benitez - and Altetico Madrid. Coupled with the introduction and influence of Terry, long being part of Chelsea and England's set ups, so also having knowledge of comporable environments in "winning" clubs/teams. (YOu only have to read what people have said about Terry at Villa to see the tangible impact - experience PLUS attitude)
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Post by stokiemac on Jun 30, 2019 12:46:50 GMT
In my view I'm happy so far. Etebo, Allen, Vokes, Afobe, Ince, McLean, Clucas etc were all good money and will remain a part of the team/squad....we are only adding some free transfers to what is the most expensive squad in the league Afobe was good money, when? Only adding to the most expensive squad that failed spectacularly last season. Or have you already forgotten that? By 'Good money' I mean significant fee Also I didnt say we played well last season all I mean is if we went up this season they wouldnt call us a team of free's
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 30, 2019 12:49:19 GMT
If any supporters should have learned by now that money doesn't always equal quality then youd think it would be ours
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 30, 2019 12:49:55 GMT
I wasn’t the person who cried about ‘not being able to say foreigner’ on the thread. Not crying mate, laughing my bag off at losers like yourself I wasn’t even talking about you. It clearly does bother you though, otherwise you wouldn’t still be here.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 30, 2019 12:51:41 GMT
Just like Chris Wilder did you mean? Or Dean Smith? I am noting that Chris Wilder is a rarity - and i think NJ would be stacking more odds in his favour of being a successful manager further up the pyramid if he added certain experience to his undoubted talent. Dean Smith transitioned to being a good Championship manager with Brentford, and from League One with Walsall, and not League Two (small pt). Smith clearly did well at Villa but from the wider picture of what is creating success amongst Championship clubs of late, id say Villa's success is also attributable to the knowledge and experience of Pitarch - DOF at Valencia with Benitez - and Altetico Madrid. Coupled with the introduction and influence of Terry, long being part of Chelsea and England's set ups, so also having knowledge of comporable environments in "winning" clubs/teams. (YOu only have to read what people have said about Terry at Villa to see the tangible impact - experience PLUS attitude) None of that is really based on much though, is it? It’s pure conjecture? Smith is the manager and the changes he effected since going there were the driving force of their upturn in fortunes. Jones may well take time to transition as well. I’m ok with that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 30, 2019 13:17:18 GMT
No problem. Not sure why you thought you couldn’t say ‘foreign’. Probably because Bayern accused someone of being a racist when they wrote foreigner. Nope it was the whole tone of the post and the misinformed horsespunk it is but inkeeping with how society is going.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 30, 2019 13:18:05 GMT
Oh yes, the poster used that other racist comment, tippy tappy. Jeez Do you think the context was complimentary? It wasn’t racist but it was xenophobic, ignorant nonsense. And xenophobia technically is a form of racism.
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 30, 2019 13:24:17 GMT
I am noting that Chris Wilder is a rarity - and i think NJ would be stacking more odds in his favour of being a successful manager further up the pyramid if he added certain experience to his undoubted talent. Dean Smith transitioned to being a good Championship manager with Brentford, and from League One with Walsall, and not League Two (small pt). Smith clearly did well at Villa but from the wider picture of what is creating success amongst Championship clubs of late, id say Villa's success is also attributable to the knowledge and experience of Pitarch - DOF at Valencia with Benitez - and Altetico Madrid. Coupled with the introduction and influence of Terry, long being part of Chelsea and England's set ups, so also having knowledge of comporable environments in "winning" clubs/teams. (YOu only have to read what people have said about Terry at Villa to see the tangible impact - experience PLUS attitude) None of that is really based on much though, is it? It’s pure conjecture? Smith is the manager and the changes he effected since going there were the driving force of their upturn in fortunes. Jones may well take time to transition as well. I’m ok with that. I do love your ability to throw away ten years of data from forty case studies as "not much"! Fine, but suggest something better - What sort of data or logic is better on which to base a grounded argument if not ten years of data on the type of manager we've appointed, coupled with trends amongst the last 4 or so years of promoted clubs from the Championship? And the fact is Pitriach joined at the same time as Smith.... and is just the latest in perhaps 8 clubs that have achieved excellent things with his sort of experience. Meanwhile, where there is no evidence whatsoever is that Smith was the driving force behind the changes any more than Terry or Pitriach. I'd say the loan of Abraham - won through Terry's connections - was pivotal. Far, far more recent evidence that appointing people with experience of top clubs is a driving force of change in contemporary Championship races. The last point is the best you can hope for and not impossible - but the point im making is you are waiting out for a really long shot to come to fruition if the destination of the transition is promotion, unless you've got some data and logic to suggest why we have appointed someone who somehow different than 39 of the other 40 promotion winning League Two managers down the last decade?
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Post by zerps on Jun 30, 2019 13:26:33 GMT
Probably because Bayern accused someone of being a racist when they wrote foreigner. Nope it was the whole tone of the post and the misinformed horsespunk it is but inkeeping with how society is going. Wouldn’t happen in my day
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Post by zerps on Jun 30, 2019 13:26:57 GMT
Sorry blatant ageism there
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jun 30, 2019 13:39:42 GMT
We've proved a team of underperforming, overpaid spineless "premier league players" can't - so I'm all for trying a different approach, to be honest.
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 30, 2019 13:46:04 GMT
Do you think the context was complimentary? It wasn’t racist but it was xenophobic, ignorant nonsense. And xenophobia technically is a form of racism. I do understand the views here, but perhaps its a tad clumsy and off the cuff, but is it really healthy or fair to hold people to this standard of language though? The context is that: we are divided in Britain at the moment partly at least because many of the working classes feel that their concerns are being treated with disdain. While minority groups have been routinely supported with policies, laws and programmes etc to protect their feeling safe and comfortable, white working class groups are called names, labelled and shunned as racists for raising their own concerns about immigration - and the impacts on wage deflation, as well communities etc. They also see - admittedly on occasion - cases of any other group but them getting funding and help. I live near Birmingham and a residing source of tension here (i am told by older community members) was that Pakistani communities were given preferential treatment in the handing out of council houses some years ago over "locals". That's where we are.... It leads me to think we all need to ease off the extremities of moral positions and measure the vindictiveness of intent behind actions, rather than seizing on sleights as a crime like "racism". There is actually no evidence its a fear or hatred of people of different races that are driving such remarks. Most of the hatred in our society is perpetuated by a handful of nationalist numbskulls on the one hand, and a handful of islamic-driven nutters on the other. They are the problem If we hold one group to account for remarks that could cause offence, then if we don't want to just cause deeper divides, resentment and entrenchment on both "sides", we'd need to be even handed about it - and pick up too on the countless sentiments expressed that the White British are somehow to blame for the life outcomes of others. We are just deepening the sense of victimhood and embitteredness. Better we just relax and save our energies for the deplorable and obvious acts such as making monkey noises at grounds, or attacking people for being in the wrong part of town, and allow people a little wiggle room to be candid.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 30, 2019 13:48:55 GMT
None of that is really based on much though, is it? It’s pure conjecture? Smith is the manager and the changes he effected since going there were the driving force of their upturn in fortunes. Jones may well take time to transition as well. I’m ok with that. I do love your ability to throw away ten years of data from forty case studies as "not much"! Fine, but suggest something better - What sort of data or logic is better on which to base a grounded argument if not ten years of data on the type of manager we've appointed, coupled with trends amongst the last 4 or so years of promoted clubs from the Championship? And the fact is Pitriach joined at the same time as Smith.... and is just the latest in perhaps 8 clubs that have achieved excellent things with his sort of experience. Meanwhile, where there is no evidence whatsoever is that Smith was the driving force behind the changes any more than Terry or Pitriach. I'd say the loan of Abraham - won through Terry's connections - was pivotal. Far, far more recent evidence that appointing people with experience of top clubs is a driving force of change in contemporary Championship races. The last point is the best you can hope for and not impossible - but the point im making is you are waiting out for a really long shot to come to fruition if the destination of the transition is promotion, unless you've got some data and logic to suggest why we have appointed someone who somehow different than 39 of the other 40 promotion winning League Two managers down the last decade? I was talking specifically about Villa as far as the evidence goes, but similarly I love your ability to gloss over or scratch around desperately to discredit any example that doesn’t fit your argument. Given that there was a clear change in style after Smith was appointed, he picks the team and tactics, so I’d say that rather suggests a lion’s share of the credit goes to him. What’s the argument for it being more down to Pitriach? Also it’s grossly overstating things to suggest Abraham’s loan was ‘won through Terry’s connections’. Villa had approached him and Terry, who’d actually just left the club before he returned later that season, recommended the club to him. There’s every chance he’d have gone there anyway.
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 30, 2019 13:51:20 GMT
Just read the thread with the hoped for genuine interest.Whilst fascinated by some points of view Just somewhat disappointed by a few aspects. 1.) Its not a team of free transfers though is it ????....No shit sherlock ! But theres certainly more than a few in the first team squad now -to 2.) People dont actually understand what free transfers are to 3.) accusations of possible rascism because people choose to think talking about 'foreigners' is somhow rascist.To me its just a bit sad that some people understanding the sense of my posting choose to focus or nitpick on other aspects whilst, all the while knowing full well what I was actually trying to discuss. And confront....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 30, 2019 13:58:08 GMT
Just read the thread with the hoped for genuine interest.Whilst fascinated by some points of view Just somewhat disappointed by a few aspects. 1.) Its not a team of free transfers though is it ????....No shit sherlock ! But theres certainly more than a few in the first team squad now -to 2.) People dont actually understand what free transfers are to 3.) accusations of possible rascism because people choose to think talking about 'foreigners' is somhow rascist.To me its just a bit sad that some people understanding the sense of my posting choose to focus or nitpick on other aspects whilst, all the while knowing full well what I was actually trying to discuss. And confront.... As Werrington has pointed out, very few of these free transfers are free because the players are unwanted but because they have allowed their contracts to run down. It’s not ‘talking about foreigners’, it’s the idea that foreign = bad.
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Post by zerps on Jun 30, 2019 14:12:26 GMT
Just read the thread with the hoped for genuine interest.Whilst fascinated by some points of view Just somewhat disappointed by a few aspects. 1.) Its not a team of free transfers though is it ????....No shit sherlock ! But theres certainly more than a few in the first team squad now -to 2.) People dont actually understand what free transfers are to 3.) accusations of possible rascism because people choose to think talking about 'foreigners' is somhow rascist.To me its just a bit sad that some people understanding the sense of my posting choose to focus or nitpick on other aspects whilst, all the while knowing full well what I was actually trying to discuss. And confront.... As Werrington has pointed out, very few of these free transfers are free because the players are unwanted but because they have allowed their contracts to run down. It’s not ‘talking about foreigners’, it’s the idea that foreign = bad. Only people that managed to draw that conclusion are racist
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Post by questionable on Jun 30, 2019 14:14:14 GMT
Understand completely the principles of free transfers but let’s look at where these signings are coming from, Ageing QPR player, Inconsistent Wigan player who to the best of my knowledge has never been subject to a bid from any club despite being only 25 and having years ahead of him, two players from Barnsley, yes Barnsley. Then there’s the two other “free” signings.
Not exactly pulse racing so far is it.
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Post by Davef on Jun 30, 2019 14:16:27 GMT
Just read the thread with the hoped for genuine interest.Whilst fascinated by some points of view Just somewhat disappointed by a few aspects. 1.) Its not a team of free transfers though is it ????....No shit sherlock ! But theres certainly more than a few in the first team squad now -to 2.) People dont actually understand what free transfers are to 3.) accusations of possible rascism because people choose to think talking about 'foreigners' is somhow rascist.To me its just a bit sad that some people understanding the sense of my posting choose to focus or nitpick on other aspects whilst, all the while knowing full well what I was actually trying to discuss. And confront.... Nitpicking? The title of your thread is "Can teams of free transfers get promoted?" Again, for the hard of understanding, we won't have a team of free transfers next season unless you think Butland, Shawcross, Batth, Lindsay, Allen, Etebo, Clucas, Woods, Ince, Afobe, McClean and Vokes (as well as our homegrown players like Edwards, Verlinden and Collins) are all going to be sold or play absolutely no part next season.
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Post by Davef on Jun 30, 2019 14:18:47 GMT
Understand completely the principles of free transfers but let’s look at where these signings are coming from, Ageing QPR player, Inconsistent Wigan player who to the best of my knowledge has never been subject to a bid from any club despite being only 25 and having years ahead of him, two players from Barnsley, yes Barnsley. Then there’s the two other “free” signings. Not exactly pulse racing so far is it. Nor were most if not all of the players we spent £50M on last year.
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