samuel32
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McClean
Apr 22, 2019 19:03:01 GMT
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Post by samuel32 on Apr 22, 2019 19:03:01 GMT
Today’s decent performance as a left wing back showed he’s got the stamina and work rate to play there or even as a roving left back. BUT his lack of unpredictability and guile make him a very average left winger. It’s been proven time and time again this season - he just doesn’t score enough or assist enough for a winger. So, Nathan please please don’t stick him on the left wing next season. We won’t score enough to go up if he’s there.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 22, 2019 19:04:26 GMT
I’d move him on, he’s balls of steel but boots of lead.
Terrible touch for a pro footballer
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McClean
Apr 22, 2019 19:09:03 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 22, 2019 19:09:03 GMT
It's difficult to predict if he will be here next season, in the diamond formation you would think not, but Jones seems to love him.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 22, 2019 19:11:01 GMT
It's difficult to predict if he will be here next season, in the diamond formation you would think not, but Jones seems to love him. I think he fits the workrate element of what Jones demands and that probably counts for a lot at the moment.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 22, 2019 19:12:07 GMT
Who's Mclean, who's he play for???
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samuel32
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Apr 22, 2019 19:15:50 GMT
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Post by samuel32 on Apr 22, 2019 19:15:50 GMT
I’d move him on, he’s balls of steel but boots of lead. Terrible touch for a pro footballer I was trying to be kind as the boys got some legs on him. But yeah that’s the other option. The transfer team are going to have to smash it this summer. Please get it right ONE transfer window
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 19:16:14 GMT
I thought he was one of the better players today. Ok he lacks that bit of quality but nobody can ever question his effort
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 22, 2019 19:22:18 GMT
Very hard to work out what's going to happen to him next season.
Apparently tried to sell him in January. If we're not playing wingers next season, what happens to him? He certainly couldn't play No.10 or up front. Far too one-dimensional. Will be hard to shift - just turned 30 and 3 more years of good money.
BUT Jones clearly loves his character - even playing him half-fit on Friday, and his work-rate today was sensational. Thought he was the shining light in a sea of crap in the first half, and never stopped in the second.
Could he play at left-back of a 4? Seems a non-starter really but the wing-back role did seem to suit him. His engine was a real asset there, and his role seemed a bit more simplified and suited his one-dimensional game a bit more. But that role won't exist next season, so you'd think he'd be sold, but who knows?
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McClean
Apr 22, 2019 19:24:33 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 22, 2019 19:24:33 GMT
Would we try and resurrect the McClean/Osborn swap with Forest?
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samuel32
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Apr 22, 2019 19:30:21 GMT
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Post by samuel32 on Apr 22, 2019 19:30:21 GMT
Very hard to work out what's going to happen to him next season. Apparently tried to sell him in January. If we're not playing wingers next season, what happens to him? He certainly couldn't play No.10 or up front. Far too one-dimensional. Will be hard to shift - just turned 30 and 2 more years of good money. BUT Jones clearly loves his character - even playing him half-fit on Friday, an his work-rate today was sensational. Thought he was the shining light in a sea of crap in the first half, and never stopped in the second. Could he play at left-back of a 4? Seems a non-starter really but the wing-back role did seem to suit him. His engine was a real asset there, and his role seemed a bit more simplified and suited his one-dimensional game a bit more. But that role won't exist next season, so you'd think he'd be sold, but who knows? Too many of our attacks fizzle out cos he is just so one dimensional. But yeah he’s got a couple of years left on his contract which we can’t just make disappear. Lots of our squad have been similarly underperforming and they too have big money contracts to run. Some of them aren’t even at the club at the minute. Bottom line - we’ve got to get it right this transfer window. Something we haven’t done in a long while.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 22, 2019 20:20:31 GMT
Probably McClean's best performance. Decent going forward and didn't switch off when defending. If he had even average first touch and pace he'd be a bloody decent player.
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Apr 22, 2019 20:24:40 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 22, 2019 20:24:40 GMT
Probably McClean's best performance. Decent going forward and didn't switch off when defending. If he had even average first touch and pace he'd be a bloody decent player. He was as bad as ever 1st half, worse in fact. 2nd half he picked up a bit.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 22, 2019 20:31:01 GMT
McClean is fine,if your ambition is to finish around mid table in the Championship.
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Apr 22, 2019 20:43:52 GMT
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Post by Fred Merger on Apr 22, 2019 20:43:52 GMT
Just lacks pace and the guile to beat a man apart from that he always puts in a shift. But is that enough for a side looking for promotion?
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Post by bojanwonder on Apr 22, 2019 20:44:07 GMT
Probably McClean's best performance. Decent going forward and didn't switch off when defending. If he had even average first touch and pace he'd be a bloody decent player. Actually wish he had a bit more quality when it counts because I quite like him! Works his arse off, gives a shit but just not quite up there sadly!
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Post by stantheman on Apr 22, 2019 20:56:58 GMT
I'm no fan of his, but I thought he worked his bollocks off today. Good communication skills, constantly telling team mates (particularly Afobe) where they should be. If his level of skill matched his level of effort, he'd be top drawer.
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 22, 2019 21:01:53 GMT
He doesn't create much will contribute maybe 3/4 goals in a season. Can't fault his commitment but we simply have to get players in who can get close to at least 10 per season. You look at our midfield options McClean Clucas Allen and Etebo and there is maybe a dozen goals between them. The managers boner for Clucas and McClean in the same team is one of the reasons we have scored so few in the last 10 games. Today was a perfect example where the defenders got our forwards out of jail. It won't happen very often
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Post by BuzzB on Apr 22, 2019 21:04:13 GMT
He cares, and that makes a huge difference between him and the "others". He is a limited but commited player and that is what Jones sees.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 21:06:27 GMT
From Jones’ 5 Live interview, it sounds like he is one of the ones who is trying and does give a shit and wants to be better. His crosses aren’t the best but to be fair to him Afobe is never anywhere near anything, probably sat on his arse somewhere, so maybe with a better striker or two McClean efforts would be a little more productive. I still think he’s better as a sub to come on and run at defenses for half an hour but I he’s worked hard for us this season. Not the most skilful by any means but I can’t think of a match where I haven’t thought he’s at least trying...which is more than can be said of a lot of them.
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 22, 2019 21:17:00 GMT
I'm not into bashing players but he really isn't good enough...give me a shirt and I'll run around for 90 minutes but it's not enough, his decision making is terrible, I'll be gutted if he's still with us next season.
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 22, 2019 21:27:04 GMT
Dont think folk arte prepared to give him credit due to politics but he had a good game today and he hasnt been our shabbiest player this season. The challenge for Jones is who does he bring in
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 21:37:48 GMT
Very hard to work out what's going to happen to him next season. Apparently tried to sell him in January. If we're not playing wingers next season, what happens to him? He certainly couldn't play No.10 or up front. Far too one-dimensional. Will be hard to shift - just turned 30 and 3 more years of good money. BUT Jones clearly loves his character - even playing him half-fit on Friday, and his work-rate today was sensational. Thought he was the shining light in a sea of crap in the first half, and never stopped in the second. Could he play at left-back of a 4? Seems a non-starter really but the wing-back role did seem to suit him. His engine was a real asset there, and his role seemed a bit more simplified and suited his one-dimensional game a bit more. But that role won't exist next season, so you'd think he'd be sold, but who knows? He hasnt really been tested as an orthodox left back, he's been wingback but with a cd like Williams or BMI looking out for him. What would happen if we played him as nr. 3 vs Swansea and they decide to play James on the right? A red card in the first minute I think.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 22, 2019 21:52:53 GMT
Probably McClean's best performance. Decent going forward and didn't switch off when defending. If he had even average first touch and pace he'd be a bloody decent player. He was as bad as ever 1st half, worse in fact. 2nd half he picked up a bit. As with all other assessments of a player's performance, my view on McClean today is a relative one. ie in relation to his usual performances he was OK today.
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Post by themistocles on Apr 22, 2019 22:02:29 GMT
If your looking at promotion you need 10 goals and 10 assists from your wingers.
He isn't getting you anywhere near that.
Get rid.
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Apr 23, 2019 5:47:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 5:47:20 GMT
He needs to go, along with all of Rowetts other signings.
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Post by bob670 on Apr 23, 2019 8:15:10 GMT
He has a great work rate and cares but lacks the final 10% quality.
He wont be accepted because of his beliefs (I don't think he does himself any favours by the way) and will always drive a divide between supporters. I would like him to move on and be successful somewhere else because its frustrating and disappointing to listen to cries of "f**k off back home you thick Irish c***t" when half of your family is Irish.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2019 8:20:06 GMT
If we aren't going to play with any wingers, that should be that and his time at Stoke seems over, just based on that alone.
But, possibly and hopefully Forest aside, who is going to pay £3m(?) plus give him a contract on 25-30k(?) for the next THREE years? He turned thirty yesterday - and that would be a HUGE contract for anyone in this league and most wouldn't even get near it for their top earner
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Apr 23, 2019 8:21:11 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 23, 2019 8:21:11 GMT
If we aren't going to play with any wingers, that should be that and his time at Stoke seems over, just based on that alone. But, possibly and hopefully Forest aside, who is going to pay £3m(?) plus give him a contract on 25-30k(?) for the next THREE years? That would be a HUGE contract for anyone in this league. He turned 30 yesterday, and that would seem a poor investment for anyone. He won't be on that much £20k tops
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2019 8:23:06 GMT
If we aren't going to play with any wingers, that should be that and his time at Stoke seems over, just based on that alone. But, possibly and hopefully Forest aside, who is going to pay £3m(?) plus give him a contract on 25-30k(?) for the next THREE years? That would be a HUGE contract for anyone in this league. He turned 30 yesterday, and that would seem a poor investment for anyone. He won't be on that much £20k tops I'd be surprised if it wasn't more. He had a year left on his West Brom deal when he joined, and he was an established Premier League player signing a 4-year deal. I'd be guessing 25k minimum? Same with all the Rowett lot probably
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Apr 23, 2019 8:25:17 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 23, 2019 8:25:17 GMT
He won't be on that much £20k tops I'd be surprised if it wasn't more. He had a year left on his West Brom deal when he joined, and he was an established Premier League player signing a 4-year deal. I'd be guessing 25k minimum? Same with all the Rowett lot probably Bojan is on £27k a week,Diouf similar as is Shawcross. Berahino and Wimmer are on more😓 Everyone else is on less.
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