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Post by jeycov on Apr 23, 2019 8:28:48 GMT
Happy 30th birthday James
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2019 8:30:57 GMT
I'd be surprised if it wasn't more. He had a year left on his West Brom deal when he joined, and he was an established Premier League player signing a 4-year deal. I'd be guessing 25k minimum? Same with all the Rowett lot probably Bojan is on £27k a week,Diouf similar as is Shawcross. Berahino and Wimmer are on more😓 Everyone else is on less. Suppose it's all guesswork - and if the bulk of our players (including the Rowett signings) are now on somewhere in the 20-25k range, it's encouraging that it's even under control to that degree, and maybe the Prem reduction clauses have really helped. But it's sadly still a wage that'll make McClean completely unsignable for the bulk of Championship teams, isn't it? He can sit tight on that figure here until 2022, along with many of the others
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 8:36:26 GMT
It looks as if Nathan Jones is willing to tweak his system a little just so he can find a place in the team for James McClean, who might just be the first name he writes into the teamsheet.
I'm certainly no fan of McClean, but he may be more than just a winger. In matches I've seen for Ireland he's played all over midfield, so with his energy levels, he could become a key player for Jones, and by that, a key player for scfc.
Get used to that!
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 23, 2019 9:01:12 GMT
It looks as if Nathan Jones is willing to tweak his system a little just so he can find a place in the team for James McClean, who might just be the first name he writes into the teamsheet. I'm certainly no fan of McClean, but he may be more than just a winger. In matches I've seen for Ireland he's played all over midfield, so with his energy levels, he could become a key player for Jones, and by that, a key player for scfc. Get used to that! I'd rather not 😄
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Post by lordb on Apr 23, 2019 9:11:32 GMT
Bojan is on £27k a week,Diouf similar as is Shawcross. Berahino and Wimmer are on more😓 Everyone else is on less. Suppose it's all guesswork - and if the bulk of our players (including the Rowett signings) are now on somewhere in the 20-25k range, it's encouraging that it's even under control to that degree, and maybe the Prem reduction clauses have really helped. But it's sadly still a wage that'll make McClean completely unsignable for the bulk of Championship teams, isn't it? He can sit tight on that figure here until 2022, along with many of the others Yes even £20k is more than most Championship players however that sort of figure is acheivable if Stoke pay some of it.
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Post by Championship Potter on Apr 23, 2019 9:17:44 GMT
Think if he had his pace still he’d be some use to us but he’s clearly lost a lot of it. There was one point yesterday where he tried to knock it around the Norwich defender and then got nowhere near outpacing him. Might add some value as a squad filler but if he starts more than 5 games next season we are definitely in trouble.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2019 9:24:39 GMT
Suppose it's all guesswork - and if the bulk of our players (including the Rowett signings) are now on somewhere in the 20-25k range, it's encouraging that it's even under control to that degree, and maybe the Prem reduction clauses have really helped. But it's sadly still a wage that'll make McClean completely unsignable for the bulk of Championship teams, isn't it? He can sit tight on that figure here until 2022, along with many of the others Yes even £20k is more than most Championship players however that sort of figure is acheivable if Stoke pay some of it. Yeah - suppose that's a possible option with a few of the ones we want to move. But presumably that'd involve us dropping any fee very significantly, maybe almost to a free in some cases, to take their wage drop at the buying club into account. And it might come to that with quite a few if we've got any hope of moving them permanently. Can see the likes of Diouf, Cameron, Bojan, Pieters certainly going on a free if at all. And even people like Bauer, McClean, Imbula, Wimmer won't be far off if we've got any hope of moving them on anything but a season loan. We'd probably have to take a really massive (50% or more) hit on Afobe too. Although I'm struggling to think of the type of club who'd be in for him.
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Post by mrred on Apr 23, 2019 9:26:42 GMT
I've never rated him since he was at Sunderland / Wigan. He has flashes of somewhat decent play, but is mostly let down by his ability. Another problem he has is that he never looks where the fuck he's going. His eyes are permenantly fixed on the ball. The best I can say about him is that he's an engine and is unlikely to get injured.
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Post by fca47 on Apr 23, 2019 9:33:26 GMT
Get's a lot of stick, a lot of it unfair. Is he the worlds best footballer no, are Stoke the best football team no. Not Stokes biggest problem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 9:35:37 GMT
Would never ever question his work rate.
But technically he's woeful. Literally no right foot, and even with his stronger left foot he regularly fails to make 10 yard passes to his team mates, beat the first man with a cross or make the right decisions in the final third of the pitch.
Completely lacks a footballing brain, I have total respect for the career he's forged for himself with his limited ability so fair play to him. But for the love of God if we want to progress as a football club we need better than McClean.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 9:59:06 GMT
I was very happy to let his performances speak for him and his role at Stoke. I personally don't see the "other thing" as an issue.
But...he just doesn't inspire me at all. There is no question over his work rate at all, but it really isn't enough at all. He's not great at picking out passes, or crossing - I'm sure he just hits the ball in without actually checking where players are.
It's also very embarrassing (and Clucas does the same), when a decision goes against him and he shouts and screams at the ref like a brat. It's not passion or being aggressive - it's childish and pathetic.
By no means is he amongst our biggest problems though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 10:07:16 GMT
Think if he had his pace still he’d be some use to us but he’s clearly lost a lot of it. There was one point yesterday where he tried to knock it around the Norwich defender and then got nowhere near outpacing him. Might add some value as a squad filler but if he starts more than 5 games next season we are definitely in trouble. Then we are already knee deep in trouble, because my guess is that he'll be starting 40+ games next season. The only thing that can keep him out of Jones' favourite 11 is suspension or injury. I don't want him in the team any more than you do, but McClean happens to be Jones' favourite player. It's as if nothing's changed, because he was also Rowett's favpourite boy.
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Post by mickey2693 on Apr 23, 2019 10:07:42 GMT
For what it's worth I thought he looked infinitely better at LB / LWB than Bruno
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2019 10:08:49 GMT
Think if he had his pace still he’d be some use to us but he’s clearly lost a lot of it. There was one point yesterday where he tried to knock it around the Norwich defender and then got nowhere near outpacing him. Might add some value as a squad filler but if he starts more than 5 games next season we are definitely in trouble. Then we are already knee deep in trouble, because my guess is that he'll be starting 40+ games next season. The only thing that can keep him out of Jones' favourite 11 is suspension or injury. I don't want him in the team any more than you do, but McClean happens to be Jones' favourite player. It's as if nothing's changed, because he was also Rowett's favpourite boy. In what position though?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 10:17:01 GMT
I've never rated him since he was at Sunderland / Wigan. He has flashes of somewhat decent play, but is mostly let down by his ability. Another problem he has is that he never looks where the fuck he's going. His eyes are permenantly fixed on the ball. The best I can say about him is that he's an engine and is unlikely to get injured. It's a bit of prejudice about him, this "never looks where he's going". I looked directly at him during some of his runs, and he does raise his chin a little and looks to the right for split seconds when he has a free run. It's when he gets nearer to the byline and is about to cross - well he does look - but even if there's no one there, he still makes the cross. It must be something that he and Afobe can work on during training under Jones' guidance. Like, 'Benik, when James starts running, you have to start running too and position you in the centre of the penalty area. Then when the ball comes in, you have to move your body 3-5 yards and use all your power to claim glory for your goal.' But there never seems to be any coordination going on...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 10:18:02 GMT
Then we are already knee deep in trouble, because my guess is that he'll be starting 40+ games next season. The only thing that can keep him out of Jones' favourite 11 is suspension or injury. I don't want him in the team any more than you do, but McClean happens to be Jones' favourite player. It's as if nothing's changed, because he was also Rowett's favpourite boy. In what position though? The same as yesterday's.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2019 10:24:49 GMT
Never say never - but I'd be absolutely stunned. We'll be playing 2 up front (at the expense of the third centre-half) surely. So wing-backs won't be an option, and he won't be playing left-back in a back 4. He's got a summer of recruitment and training to recreate the Luton template he's been working on every day for a number of years, so why would he have to make do with yesterday's halfway house, largely just to accommodate McClean?
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Post by dastokie on Apr 23, 2019 10:25:43 GMT
Grafts up and down no argument.
Tackling is awful,ball distribution awful at times.
Hopefully 2 more games with him starting then time to go fingers crossed.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 23, 2019 10:53:49 GMT
Think if he had his pace still he’d be some use to us but he’s clearly lost a lot of it. There was one point yesterday where he tried to knock it around the Norwich defender and then got nowhere near outpacing him. Might add some value as a squad filler but if he starts more than 5 games next season we are definitely in trouble. Then we are already knee deep in trouble, because my guess is that he'll be starting 40+ games next season. The only thing that can keep him out of Jones' favourite 11 is suspension or injury. I don't want him in the team any more than you do, but McClean happens to be Jones' favourite player. It's as if nothing's changed, because he was also Rowett's favpourite boy. According to McClean Jones tried to get himself offloaded onto Notts. Forest in January not sure or understand that is he his favourite , he hasn't done much since then so who knows why he keeps getting starts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 11:34:46 GMT
Never say never - but I'd be absolutely stunned. We'll be playing 2 up front (at the expense of the third centre-half) surely. So wing-backs won't be an option, and he won't be playing left-back in a back 4. He's got a summer of recruitment and training to recreate the Luton template he's been working on every day for a number of years, so why would he have to make do with yesterday's halfway house, largely just to accommodate McClean? Because McClean is Jones' favourite player. Well don't shoot me! I think it's daft too and that it makes you question the man's sanity to have already included him as many times already when he had much better options open to him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 11:37:26 GMT
Then we are already knee deep in trouble, because my guess is that he'll be starting 40+ games next season. The only thing that can keep him out of Jones' favourite 11 is suspension or injury. I don't want him in the team any more than you do, but McClean happens to be Jones' favourite player. It's as if nothing's changed, because he was also Rowett's favpourite boy. According to McClean Jones tried to get himself offloaded onto Notts. Forest in January not sure or understand that is he his favourite , he hasn't done much since then so who knows why he keeps getting starts. He's run up and down that flank non stop all season; that is his endearing quality, which Jones apparently treasures far more than skill on the ball...
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 23, 2019 11:46:51 GMT
I'd be surprised if it wasn't more. He had a year left on his West Brom deal when he joined, and he was an established Premier League player signing a 4-year deal. I'd be guessing 25k minimum? Same with all the Rowett lot probably Bojan is on £27k a week,Diouf similar as is Shawcross. Berahino and Wimmer are on more😓 Everyone else is on less. Berahinho and Wimmer apparently signed 70k a week contracts. Google it, plenty of evidence out there. I appreciate that hopefully that reduced contractually after relegation. But what it very very clearly shows is we have a CEO and Tech Director who do not know their arseholes from their elbows. Who in the fookin world would offer bums like that terms like they did. Get out of our club you clowns.
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 23, 2019 11:50:57 GMT
I've never rated him since he was at Sunderland / Wigan. He has flashes of somewhat decent play, but is mostly let down by his ability. Another problem he has is that he never looks where the fuck he's going. His eyes are permenantly fixed on the ball. The best I can say about him is that he's an engine and is unlikely to get injured. Perhaps he's got great peripheral vision and can see everything going on around him without looking up. Personally I conner stand the bloke, but there's no doubt that he gives 100%, even thought that effort is often unfruitful because of his lack of skills. I happen to agree with kpsja on this one. I reckon Jones will keep him purely because of his work ethic. OS.
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Post by numberounominion on Apr 23, 2019 11:51:45 GMT
Too little grit, endeavour and fouling in this squad.
To be fair to McLean, he puts the boot in and he tries. He has what so many of his colleagues lack. Bottle.
A shame then, that he has a massive lack of talent
Though ,lots of his team mates can't kick a football either, so he plays on merit
A sad situation, all round
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Post by mrred on Apr 23, 2019 12:03:37 GMT
I've never rated him since he was at Sunderland / Wigan. He has flashes of somewhat decent play, but is mostly let down by his ability. Another problem he has is that he never looks where the fuck he's going. His eyes are permenantly fixed on the ball. The best I can say about him is that he's an engine and is unlikely to get injured. Perhaps he's got great peripheral vision and can see everything going on around him without looking up. Personally I conner stand the bloke, but there's no doubt that he gives 100%, even thought that effort is often unfruitful because of his lack of skills. I happen to agree with kpsja on this one. I reckon Jones will keep him purely because of his work ethic. OS. Yup. McClean won't be going anywhere, for better or worse. When Jones talks about players buying into what he's trying to do and the culture they want to breed into the club, McClean very much fits the mould of 'willing to do anything asked of him'. Couple that with his work rate, he's here to stay. Like, 'Benik, when James starts running, you have to start running too and position you in the centre of the penalty area. Then when the ball comes in, you have to move your body 3-5 yards and use all your power to claim glory for your goal.' But there never seems to be any coordination going on... Absolutely. Afobe's positioning was dreadful yesterday. Several times Jones would gesture to him to get more involved and work the flanks a bit more and he'd shrug his shoulders or shout back that he should stay central, 30 yards away from anyone else... Should be one of the first out the door next month. Absolute dud.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 23, 2019 12:06:52 GMT
Perhaps he's got great peripheral vision and can see everything going on around him without looking up. Personally I conner stand the bloke, but there's no doubt that he gives 100%, even thought that effort is often unfruitful because of his lack of skills. I happen to agree with kpsja on this one. I reckon Jones will keep him purely because of his work ethic. OS. Yup. McClean won't be going anywhere, for better or worse. When Jones talks about players buying into what he's trying to do and the culture they want to breed into the club, McClean very much fits the mould of 'willing to do anything asked of him'. Couple that with his work rate, he's here to stay. I aint his biggest fan but the truth is we would be in a better position if we had 11 squad players who had his attitude. I have no problem with him being in our squad. Every squad needs grafters.
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Post by mrred on Apr 23, 2019 12:08:51 GMT
Yup. McClean won't be going anywhere, for better or worse. When Jones talks about players buying into what he's trying to do and the culture they want to breed into the club, McClean very much fits the mould of 'willing to do anything asked of him'. Couple that with his work rate, he's here to stay. I aint his biggest fan but the truth is we would be in a better position if we had 11 squad players who had his attitude. I have no problem with him being in our squad. Every squad needs grafters. I don't disagree. I'll never knock his desire and workrate. It's just a shame his application is piss poor more often than not.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 23, 2019 12:17:54 GMT
Think if he had his pace still he’d be some use to us but he’s clearly lost a lot of it. There was one point yesterday where he tried to knock it around the Norwich defender and then got nowhere near outpacing him. Might add some value as a squad filler but if he starts more than 5 games next season we are definitely in trouble. That Norwich defender was the centre half as well. Not even the full-back.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 23, 2019 12:21:04 GMT
I aint his biggest fan but the truth is we would be in a better position if we had 11 squad players who had his attitude. I have no problem with him being in our squad. Every squad needs grafters. I don't disagree. I'll never knock his desire and workrate. It's just a shame his application is piss poor more often than not. I think we are on the same page of reasonableness. Even top teams have workhorse players. The problem for us is that he shouldn't be getting as much game time because we should have better options. But we haven't and we have our senior management to blame for letting the recruitment get so out of hand. Yes its managers etc etc but the reality is the buck stops with those not fit for purpose idiots upstairs. No point sitting here blaming MH and GR, they are long gone. The senior management need to sort themselves out and do it fast before its tier 3 and 9k crowds.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 12:22:49 GMT
McClean has one more thing going for him and that he's vocal on the pitch. Sometimes too much for the wrong reasons (any ref is a target), but he is the one player that is constantly urging his team mates on. You don't see this from Allen, Bojan, Etebo, or Ince, all of whom are much better players, but they are all way too silent out there. Ince and Bojan, because they're too focused on their own game. Not McClean. His shouting is for the benefit of the team, a bit like Whelan and Walters used to do.
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