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Post by fentonstokie1 on Apr 23, 2019 12:31:10 GMT
It looks as if Nathan Jones is willing to tweak his system a little just so he can find a place in the team for James McClean, who might just be the first name he writes into the teamsheet. I'm certainly no fan of McClean, but he may be more than just a winger. In matches I've seen for Ireland he's played all over midfield, so with his energy levels, he could become a key player for Jones, and by that, a key player for scfc. Get used to that! I'd rather not 😄 I suspect that McClean's religious baggage and a slight bit of bigotry is clouding a few people's judgement regarding his ability and potential. Hughes stripped our side of players with character and work ethic and every side no matter who they are players like McClean who are prepared to roll up their sleeves and get stuck in. It doesn't help any player's confidence when a portion of the crowd boo his every involvement and perhaps if the boos stop his quality might just jump up a notch.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 23, 2019 12:43:36 GMT
This is the difference between activity and productivity and why are where we are. We have some players that run around a lot but have no skill and some players that have skill but don’t move intelligently on or off the ball because they have little awareness of what is going on around them. This explains why most of our plays break down because of a bad pass to the opposition or into a space that should have been occupied a player who didn’t anticipate what was going to happen Some of this is instinctive and can be fine tuned in training by practice, practice, practice (Jon Walters was a good example of this) some players are “thick as brick”. Those players have no hope of improving no matter how hard they work, and will never have that “cutting edge” Jones is looking for.
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 23, 2019 12:49:29 GMT
Think he'd make a good back up as LWB
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Post by kelw on Apr 23, 2019 13:24:16 GMT
I suspect that McClean's religious baggage and a slight bit of bigotry is clouding a few people's judgement regarding his ability and potential. Hughes stripped our side of players with character and work ethic and every side no matter who they are players like McClean who are prepared to roll up their sleeves and get stuck in. It doesn't help any player's confidence when a portion of the crowd boo his every involvement and perhaps if the boos stop his quality might just jump up a notch. His attitude is excellent but some utter idiots jump down his throat at every opportunity. Was an utter moron who sits behind me who at the start of the season came out with every insult know to man until told in no uncertain manner by a few now has moved thankfully. His crossing not the best at times but doesn't help when you beat a man and have absolutely no-one busting a gut to get into the box. Like a few have said, are plenty on here who can't think for themselves and follow the crowd, always seems to be a player who can't do anything right and at the same time one who is blameless.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 23, 2019 13:32:02 GMT
I suspect that McClean's religious baggage and a slight bit of bigotry is clouding a few people's judgement regarding his ability and potential. Hughes stripped our side of players with character and work ethic and every side no matter who they are players like McClean who are prepared to roll up their sleeves and get stuck in. It doesn't help any player's confidence when a portion of the crowd boo his every involvement and perhaps if the boos stop his quality might just jump up a notch. I'm not going to disagree with you. However he is the one player I hoped we would never ever have signed. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on him but at a time when a club needs character and unity, unfortunately he brings the complete opposite. In terms of his quality, as much as I personally dislike him I cannot argue that he has put in the hard yards in the face of adversity but his quality is desperately lacking in all aspects. I genuinely hope he is one of the first to be moved on, if that does not materialise then so be it.
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Apr 23, 2019 14:10:15 GMT
I suspect that McClean's religious baggage and a slight bit of bigotry is clouding a few people's judgement regarding his ability and potential. Hughes stripped our side of players with character and work ethic and every side no matter who they are players like McClean who are prepared to roll up their sleeves and get stuck in. It doesn't help any player's confidence when a portion of the crowd boo his every involvement and perhaps if the boos stop his quality might just jump up a notch. His attitude is excellent but some utter idiots jump down his throat at every opportunity. Was an utter moron who sits behind me who at the start of the season came out with every insult know to man until told in no uncertain manner by a few now has moved thankfully. His crossing not the best at times but doesn't help when you beat a man and have absolutely no-one busting a gut to get into the box. Like a few have said, are plenty on here who can't think for themselves and follow the crowd, always seems to be a player who can't do anything right and at the same time one who is blameless. No matter who we have out wide our lack of movement in the final third is the main reason why our clear goal scoring chances are so few and far between and it nullifies the service from both wings, a couple of pacy forwards busting a gut to get on the end of things would help.
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Post by madeleystokie on Apr 24, 2019 12:22:59 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 24, 2019 13:11:11 GMT
Usually in these types of case the insurance offence is a consequential offence related to the licencing offence i.e. having no valid licence renders the insurance invalid. I wonder exactly what his licensing offence was - surely, he will have had a valid license at some point in his adult life - I wonder what happened for him to lose it or render it invalid?
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 24, 2019 14:24:02 GMT
Usually in these types of case the insurance offence is a consequential offence related to the licencing offence i.e. having no valid licence renders the insurance invalid. I wonder exactly what his licensing offence was - surely, he will have had a valid license at some point in his adult life - I wonder what happened for him to lose it or render it invalid? 10 year refresh potentially?
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Post by werrington on Apr 24, 2019 14:48:41 GMT
Seriously you bracket this in the same vain as Berahino? No insurance is a serious offence in its own right buts it’s hardly in Berahino or sacking territories
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Post by madeleystokie on Apr 24, 2019 15:40:01 GMT
Seriously you bracket this in the same vain as Berahino? No insurance is a serious offence in its own right buts it’s hardly in Berahino or sacking territories It's nowhere near the same as Berahino's fuck-ups but it's yet another Stoke City player being named and shamed for an offence, regardless of how big/small it may be. Jones said after his appointment that he was looking for players who conduct themselves well OFF the pitch. I'm not making comparisons nor am I claiming it's a sack-able offence but it's still Stoke's name being linked to a reported offence. Strange how little has been made of it so far though.
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Post by tony1234 on Apr 24, 2019 15:49:56 GMT
I've got to have more affection and respect for him as the season has gone on. A real tryer.
However, that's as far as it goes. As someone further up said, wide attacking forwards need to be contributing 10 goals & 10 assists in teams near the top, as the standard. He'd wouldn't reach that in 4 seasons let alone 1!
I don't want Osborn from Forest either thanks - 1 goal in 37 appearances.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 24, 2019 16:23:27 GMT
I've got to have more affection and respect for him as the season has gone on. A real tryer. However, that's as far as it goes. As someone further up said, wide attacking forwards need to be contributing 10 goals & 10 assists in teams near the top, as the standard. He'd wouldn't reach that in 4 seasons let alone 1! I don't want Osborn from Forest either thanks - 1 goal in 37 appearances. Spot on, the main problem this season was Rowett signing Afobe, Mcclean and Ince to be a front three, it was never going to work, they've all failed miserably
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 17:51:58 GMT
Being as he’s the worst footballer in living history and more evil than Hitler.
He’s still our top assist maker this season which is surprising being as we have Joe Allen, works greatest midfielder and a god amongst mere men.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 24, 2019 18:14:26 GMT
Usually in these types of case the insurance offence is a consequential offence related to the licencing offence i.e. having no valid licence renders the insurance invalid. I wonder exactly what his licensing offence was - surely, he will have had a valid license at some point in his adult life - I wonder what happened for him to lose it or render it invalid? 10 year refresh potentially? Possibly. I suppose the answer will come out in the fullness of time.
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Post by stantheman on Apr 24, 2019 18:26:07 GMT
Seriously you bracket this in the same vain as Berahino? No insurance is a serious offence in its own right buts it’s hardly in Berahino or sacking territories And Berahino has previously been found guilty of drink driving, whilst doing 110mph on the M6 No comparison what so ever
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 24, 2019 19:01:28 GMT
10 year refresh potentially? Possibly. I suppose the answer will come out in the fullness of time. I’m sure it will, but if jones sticks by his word. About discipline Mcclean needs to go.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 24, 2019 19:23:56 GMT
Possibly. I suppose the answer will come out in the fullness of time. I’m sure it will, but if jones sticks by his word. About discipline Mcclean needs to go. Not necessarily. I have no idea what exactly happened in relation to the licence but if it is a technical offence (or an over sight) which it could well be in view of the courts's decision being postponed, then the lack of insurance becomes more of a technicality. Still an offence - but, possibly, not a deliberate one by Mcclean. I'm not trying to exonerate him from blame but, until we know exactly what happened as regards the licence, and why, it is too early (in my mind) to decide on the moral culpability of the McClean.
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Post by Davef on Apr 24, 2019 19:53:00 GMT
Possibly. I suppose the answer will come out in the fullness of time. I’m sure it will, but if jones sticks by his word. About discipline Mcclean needs to go. What exactly do you mean by "needs to go"? Transfer listed? Sacked? I'm not sure what Jones has said about discipline, but you're going down a sticky road if you start bombing players out of the club for this kind of thing. You're setting a precedent and sooner or later it will come back to bite you on the arse. It's alright getting rid of players you don't like when they cross the line, but happens when a good, important player does likewise?
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Post by werrington on Apr 24, 2019 19:53:12 GMT
Possibly. I suppose the answer will come out in the fullness of time. I’m sure it will, but if jones sticks by his word. About discipline Mcclean needs to go. Behave Discipline and a driving offence are hardly the same thing, if you don’t like Maclean that’s fine but cmon eh ....you know exactly what he means by discipline
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Post by kidcrewbob on Apr 24, 2019 20:22:29 GMT
Say what you like about him but he always puts a shift in and looks like he actually gives a fuck - credit where it's due
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Post by dreamtheater on Apr 24, 2019 20:24:14 GMT
I just never thought he was 'all that' as a football player and yet again, our 'transfer team' of 'experts' arranged an
OTT transfer in terms of:- Fee - Remuneration and Duration
Massively underwhelmed I was
this season has not proved otherwise so, I still am
He may be committed effort wise as the poster above suggests but, hes at best a bang average EFL player in a now below average EFL team also
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 24, 2019 20:28:30 GMT
I’m sure it will, but if jones sticks by his word. About discipline Mcclean needs to go. What exactly do you mean by "needs to go"? Transfer listed? Sacked? I'm not sure what Jones has said about discipline, but you're going down a sticky road if you start bombing players out of the club for this kind of thing. You're setting a precedent and sooner or later it will come back to bite you on the arse. It's alright getting rid of players you don't like when they cross the line, but happens when a good, important player does likewise? Transfer listed, Jones has shown his not afraid to do it though, BMI mentions something in the press about wanting to play in the premier league (having been a captain under jones I think) and he hasn’t been seen since. Coincidence? I’m not convinced.
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 24, 2019 20:29:45 GMT
I’m sure it will, but if jones sticks by his word. About discipline Mcclean needs to go. Behave Discipline and a driving offence are hardly the same thing, if you don’t like Maclean that’s fine but cmon eh ....you know exactly what he means by discipline If it was me and I got caught without insurance/licence I could be sacked. Admittedly I need my car for my job but still. Not saying he should be sacked but it’s little ‘misdemeanours’ like this that breed I’ll discipline.
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Post by dreamtheater on Apr 24, 2019 20:33:10 GMT
One things for sure- you dont have to look far in Stoke on Trent these-days to spot a barrel of rotten apples - thats for sure
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 25, 2019 19:19:02 GMT
Strange couple of names to bring up in connection with fighting off offers for Allen and Butland and others? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-joe-allen-butland-2796426“We won’t be bullied by players in any way, so it has to be the right thing. Not only for Joe Allen, or James McClean, or Benik Afobe, or anyone, but it has to be right for Stoke City, which is the main thing. “We don’t want to get into that situation, but if that situation comes - and I’m used to fighting off numbers of offers for talented players - then we will address that.
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Post by onionman on Apr 25, 2019 19:25:12 GMT
Strange couple of names to bring up in connection with fighting off offers for Allen and Butland and others? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-joe-allen-butland-2796426“We won’t be bullied by players in any way, so it has to be the right thing. Not only for Joe Allen, or James McClean, or Benik Afobe, or anyone, but it has to be right for Stoke City, which is the main thing. “We don’t want to get into that situation, but if that situation comes - and I’m used to fighting off numbers of offers for talented players - then we will address that. I imagine he identified Afobe and McClean as sellable assets early on, and has been picking them consistently and talking them up ever since so we can cash in during the summer. Perhaps Allen is also in that camp.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 25, 2019 19:25:26 GMT
Strange couple of names to bring up in connection with fighting off offers for Allen and Butland and others? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-joe-allen-butland-2796426“We won’t be bullied by players in any way, so it has to be the right thing. Not only for Joe Allen, or James McClean, or Benik Afobe, or anyone, but it has to be right for Stoke City, which is the main thing. “We don’t want to get into that situation, but if that situation comes - and I’m used to fighting off numbers of offers for talented players - then we will address that. NJ’s got to be engaging in some form of reverse psychology, surely!!
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Post by onionman on Apr 25, 2019 19:45:42 GMT
Strange couple of names to bring up in connection with fighting off offers for Allen and Butland and others? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-joe-allen-butland-2796426“We won’t be bullied by players in any way, so it has to be the right thing. Not only for Joe Allen, or James McClean, or Benik Afobe, or anyone, but it has to be right for Stoke City, which is the main thing. “We don’t want to get into that situation, but if that situation comes - and I’m used to fighting off numbers of offers for talented players - then we will address that. NJ’s got to be engaging in some form of reverse psychology, surely!! It has to be something like that. If he is planning to keep every player he’s talked up, then we’re only going to have room for a new left-back, and a reserve striker to replace Berahino. No way can Jones seriously think we’ll get promoted if Afobe, McClean, Clucas, Martins Indi, Shawcross, Allen, Etebo and Ince are all first choice picks again next season. He’s seen himself that’s a recipe for 16th place.
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Post by werrington on Apr 25, 2019 19:58:38 GMT
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