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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 12, 2019 10:40:21 GMT
The Madejski is certainly better, but it's not 3 times better, so the relative figures surprise me. What doesn't remotely surprise me is that we did it on the cheap. Even brand new, the Brit (now the Betty, courtesy of someone on here) looked like it had been thrown together from a giant flat pack of MDF and breeze blocks. To put the 14.7 million in context - and assuming my arithmetic is broadly accurate - that is what it would take Denise about 20 days to earn (let's add tax and say a month). John Madejski, of course, originally a Stokie himself. The bloke above nails the answer to the original question. Clem, I think. "We are Stoke". It's because the value of land in and around Reading is far higher than that of the moonscape that our stadium was built on. The figures quoted refer only to construction costs not land acquisition, which we paid fuck all for anyway. Mere construction costs, Readings cost nearly 4 times more than ours and their stadium is far better
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 12, 2019 10:41:41 GMT
The stadium we currently occupy isn't as good as the old Victoria ground because the latter has character and atmosphere.
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Post by christhepotter on Apr 12, 2019 10:46:51 GMT
Didn’t Coates once say he keeps ppl on the turnstiles to keep ppls jobs
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Post by rawli on Apr 12, 2019 10:51:57 GMT
They'll get far more bang for their buck developing things for the multi billion betting business than making things better for a few thousand supporters of the loss making football club. Indeed. How long before our longer standing fans all die off and the younger generation realise they'll get a better bang for buck elsewhere on a Saturday afternoon? I don't think Bet365 are that bothered tbh. They want to make as much money as they can while they can.
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Post by numberounominion on Apr 12, 2019 11:02:35 GMT
good on stoke
I prefer paper tickets to digital tickets I prefer to read a newspaper than look at the news online I prefer to go to the game, than watch it streamed online
If they hadn't knocked the Victoria ground down , I would rather watch the match there than at the bet 365
viva ! the 1970s !
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 12, 2019 11:03:23 GMT
The people in charge of the club are relics of the past. John Coates is meant to be this 'hip' young heir to the throne but either he's as ignorant to the technological revolution that happened about 20-30 years ago as his father or he just doesn't care. Scholes just pulls out excuse after excuse as to why we won't embrace it, it makes no sense from a business standpoint at all. If people could order food and drink from their seat and just pick it up from a designated point, you'd see queues go down and I bet you'd see matchday profits go up as more people would be encouraged to spend if they knew they wouldn't miss half the match trying to get back to their seat. We are ultimately owned by one of the richest women in the world. Her company has it's own tech house in Manchester, which plucks some of the best tech graduates in the country. I know of someone who works at Bet365 who has recently moved to the country from abroad to specifically work here, because he is one of a very few select people that work in an area of IT that have his specific skill set that Bet365 need. The tech is there, the people are there. Spot on. The last 4 years particularly have shown Stoke right up for the mess the senior management is. That's what happens when mates of the chairman's son get the technical director gig. And we wonder why we are in such a mess. Yet many on here don't want to point fingers at certain areas of the senior management because we don't know for sure where the problem lies and its unfair. Balls to unfair, the senior management is proven to be unfit for purpose or else we wouldn't be where we are. Get some proper talent in before its too late.
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Post by onepara on Apr 12, 2019 11:39:24 GMT
Thought you were talking about the actual stadium there, which is totally shit and was built at a fraction of the price of the other stadiums being built at the time. 14.7 million 15.2 Million, actually.
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Post by ladyinred on Apr 12, 2019 12:19:01 GMT
Ewood park had contactless payment available in the concourse
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 12, 2019 12:27:40 GMT
All Id like to know is why a bloke with a big waist height tray on shoulder straps doesn't walk around the seats selling hot dogs like in the usa. 😁
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Post by walton corner on Apr 12, 2019 12:51:46 GMT
What is it with making it a match day experience bollocks ....from the age of 4 my old man started taking me to stoke ..from the age of about 10 it was all about going the pub before game ,going to game standing on the boothen going to the toilet myself getting shoved out the way several times before I could eventually piss ..goals going in ended up about 20 feet or so away from where I was originally standing ....then going home ...that was all the match day experience I needed and 39 years later I wouldn’t have had it any other way .....football is not a circus or theatre ...stop trying to make it like American football before the real football dies
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Post by SCFC92 on Apr 12, 2019 13:16:23 GMT
What is it with making it a match day experience bollocks ....from the age of 4 my old man started taking me to stoke ..from the age of about 10 it was all about going the pub before game ,going to game standing on the boothen going to the toilet myself getting shoved out the way several times before I could eventually piss ..goals going in ended up about 20 feet or so away from where I was originally standing ....then going home ...that was all the match day experience I needed and 39 years later I wouldn’t have had it any other way .....football is not a circus or theatre ...stop trying to make it like American football before the real football dies I hope this is tongue in cheek as these are absolute dinosaur views. This experience doesn't wash with me, my friends, in fact, anyone I know. I don't want to enjoy my team play whilst having my shoes covered in piss and smoke blowing round my lungs because some neanderthal can't hold himself steady at a urinal or some idiot can't wait til half time to have a cigarette. Who actually wants that? Football has and will move on from this outdated view and I am glad. This is one area that really frustrates me and they do need to modernise. Adding simplicity will help draw crowds. If we had these we could actually run the sales right up until kick off across all channels. Someone has nothing to do, put a sale on "unallocated seating" and have the pass just delivered to someones phone. Get the casual fan interested. We should look at the simplicity of the whole "SCFC Direct/Ticketing" process. And any argument about "what happens when it goes down" "what happens if your phone runs out of battery" People put their travel boarding passes on their phones, you run out of battery, you go to the desk and they print one. But the point is, don't let your phone run out of battery? If the card systems go down, you revert to cash only. It is absolutely ridiculous we don't have this process in place.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 12, 2019 13:30:55 GMT
First Bus offer paperless tickets, I'm not sure why a club owned by billionaires can't get this off the ground.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 12, 2019 13:31:50 GMT
Bet you want WiFi in the ground too. Not a bad idea given the dross on the pitch.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 12, 2019 13:54:22 GMT
I find it mind boggling that you cant pay for food or drink on a card...digital tickets? This is space age stuff to the club. You can’t pay on a credit card? You’re joking? Cash only. I was as astounded as you when I found this out recently. I live in a country that is classed as an “emerging economy” and every tiny local mini market on every street corner accept card payments. It’s absolutely mind-boggling that it still seems to be beyond the reach of our multi-million pound business in the developed world. It really doesn’t inspire confidence in how our club is managed.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Apr 12, 2019 14:07:29 GMT
You can’t pay on a credit card? You’re joking? Not at any concourse (except maybe Franklyn upper?) as far as I understand. Advanced ticketing is one thing (and will become an inevitability in time), but the fact we don't accept card seems like such a major oversight I'd be amazed if it isn't already hurting commercial operations? How many people under 30 regularly carry cash these days? There's a chance the club is waiting on the caterers, but still. Not even franklyn upper.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Apr 12, 2019 14:08:58 GMT
I'm hopeful in my lifetime they'll just knock the brit down and build it again. Something a bit different from every other modern day stadium would be nice. The only difference we currently have is ours is shitter
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 12, 2019 14:28:50 GMT
because the club is only interested in introducing new technology/etc years after everyone else. Maybe not the best idea, but we only started doing match updates on social media a few years after everyone else did.
In recent years, they have been able to plaster over this with premier league football, frozen season tickets and free away travel. People who complained would have been seen as spoilt.
They can't do that now.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 12, 2019 14:29:29 GMT
What is it with making it a match day experience bollocks ....from the age of 4 my old man started taking me to stoke ..from the age of about 10 it was all about going the pub before game ,going to game standing on the boothen going to the toilet myself getting shoved out the way several times before I could eventually piss ..goals going in ended up about 20 feet or so away from where I was originally standing ....then going home ...that was all the match day experience I needed and 39 years later I wouldn’t have had it any other way .....football is not a circus or theatre ...stop trying to make it like American football before the real football dies It's 2019
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Apr 12, 2019 14:36:02 GMT
What is it with making it a match day experience bollocks ....from the age of 4 my old man started taking me to stoke ..from the age of about 10 it was all about going the pub before game ,going to game standing on the boothen going to the toilet myself getting shoved out the way several times before I could eventually piss ..goals going in ended up about 20 feet or so away from where I was originally standing ....then going home ...that was all the match day experience I needed and 39 years later I wouldn’t have had it any other way .....football is not a circus or theatre ...stop trying to make it like American football before the real football dies I'm with you on this. The match day experience is determined by what goes on on the pitch. If Stoke win I don't care if I'm standing in a pig sty up to my neck in shit, it's the win that matters. I'll be as happy as a pig in muck, as they say. If Stoke lose no amount of cashless, air driers, street food kiosks, ticketless, pay on your phone, new fangled turnstiles are going to ease me out of the trough of despair I'll be in. For me, going to the match is simply about two things,football and mates. The location or setting where those two elements come together really doesn't matter to me. I've watched football all over the world with England and Stoke. I've never counted them up but I've probably done 100+ grounds, maybe more, and I can honestly say that, for me, there's no place like home. Football grounds are about history, tradition, drama, emotions, shared experiences, sights and sounds. Give me Upton Park, The Vic, Highbury or Fratton Park any day of the week. I'm not against new technology and all that malarkey but for me it's a minor, barely relevant, detail to my match days. Up The Potters!
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Post by walton corner on Apr 12, 2019 14:38:39 GMT
What is it with making it a match day experience bollocks ....from the age of 4 my old man started taking me to stoke ..from the age of about 10 it was all about going the pub before game ,going to game standing on the boothen going to the toilet myself getting shoved out the way several times before I could eventually piss ..goals going in ended up about 20 feet or so away from where I was originally standing ....then going home ...that was all the match day experience I needed and 39 years later I wouldn’t have had it any other way .....football is not a circus or theatre ...stop trying to make it like American football before the real football dies I'm with you on this. The match day experience is determined by what goes on on the pitch. If Stoke win I don't care if I'm standing in a pig sty up to my neck in shit, it's the win that matters. I'll be as happy as a pick in muck, as they say. If Stoke lose no amount of cashless, air driers, street food kiosks, ticketless, pay on your phone, new fangled turnstiles are going to ease me out of the trough of despair I'll be in. For me, going to the match is simply about two things,football and mates. The location or setting where those two elements come together really doesn't matter to me. I've watched football all over the world with England and Stoke. I've never counted them up but I've probably done 100+ grounds, maybe more, and I can honestly say that, for me, there's no place like home. Football grounds are about history, tradition, drama, emotions, shared experiences, sights and sounds. Give me Upton Park, The Vic, Highbury or Fratton Park any day of the week. I'm not against new technology and all that malarkey but for me it's a minor, barely relevant, detail to my match days. Up The Potters! Spot on mate ...
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Post by walton corner on Apr 12, 2019 14:41:35 GMT
What is it with making it a match day experience bollocks ....from the age of 4 my old man started taking me to stoke ..from the age of about 10 it was all about going the pub before game ,going to game standing on the boothen going to the toilet myself getting shoved out the way several times before I could eventually piss ..goals going in ended up about 20 feet or so away from where I was originally standing ....then going home ...that was all the match day experience I needed and 39 years later I wouldn’t have had it any other way .....football is not a circus or theatre ...stop trying to make it like American football before the real football dies I hope this is tongue in cheek as these are absolute dinosaur views. This experience doesn't wash with me, my friends, in fact, anyone I know. I don't want to enjoy my team play whilst having my shoes covered in piss and smoke blowing round my lungs because some neanderthal can't hold himself steady at a urinal or some idiot can't wait til half time to have a cigarette. Who actually wants that? Football has and will move on from this outdated view and I am glad. This is one area that really frustrates me and they do need to modernise. Adding simplicity will help draw crowds. If we had these we could actually run the sales right up until kick off across all channels. Someone has nothing to do, put a sale on "unallocated seating" and have the pass just delivered to someones phone. Get the casual fan interested. We should look at the simplicity of the whole "SCFC Direct/Ticketing" process. And any argument about "what happens when it goes down" "what happens if your phone runs out of battery" People put their travel boarding passes on their phones, you run out of battery, you go to the desk and they print one. But the point is, don't let your phone run out of battery? If the card systems go down, you revert to cash only. It is absolutely ridiculous we don't have this process in place. Not at all football is not about what is on offer of the pitch ...dinosaur I maybe but this new era of stadiums catering and events around match day is pants
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 12, 2019 14:43:48 GMT
I've heard the players still have to 'clock on' down Stoke!!!
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Post by madelinesmithmmmh on Apr 12, 2019 14:53:52 GMT
I've heard the players still have to 'clock on' down Stoke!!! I could give you several names who categorically don't!
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Post by rawli on Apr 12, 2019 15:26:08 GMT
What happens if your battery runs down just as you arrive at the turnstile? That's the spirit. What happens if you drop your wallet or your ticket on the way to the ground?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 12, 2019 15:40:13 GMT
What if you lose your phone, or leave it at home, or the battery dies whilst the kids are watching it in the pub? I quite like my card thanks very much. In fact I quite liked my little booklet where you ripped the ticket out each game
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Post by nott1 on Apr 12, 2019 15:47:06 GMT
What if you lose your phone, or leave it at home, or the battery dies whilst the kids are watching it in the pub? I quite like my card thanks very much. In fact I quite liked my little booklet where you ripped the ticket out each game But when you ripped two out at once......
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Post by scfc1863 on Apr 12, 2019 15:56:23 GMT
good on stoke I prefer paper tickets to digital tickets I prefer to read a newspaper than look at the news online I prefer to go to the game, than watch it streamed online If they hadn't knocked the Victoria ground down , I would rather watch the match there than at the bet 365 viva ! the 1970s ! Halcyon days .... Attachment Deleted
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 12, 2019 16:02:14 GMT
What is it with making it a match day experience bollocks ....from the age of 4 my old man started taking me to stoke ..from the age of about 10 it was all about going the pub before game ,going to game standing on the boothen going to the toilet myself getting shoved out the way several times before I could eventually piss ..goals going in ended up about 20 feet or so away from where I was originally standing ....then going home ...that was all the match day experience I needed and 39 years later I wouldn’t have had it any other way .....football is not a circus or theatre ...stop trying to make it like American football before the real football dies I miss the days when I could get piss on me without paying.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Apr 12, 2019 16:07:45 GMT
I've heard the players still have to 'clock on' down Stoke!!! I could give you several names who categorically don't! Well, yes and no. In the olden days it was common practice for mates to clock one another in. That gave you another hour or so in bed. Or, if you were on nights at Kiplings on the A34, another couple of pints in the Sutherland Arms. That may be what the players you have in mind are doing. (With apologies to Gods: Kids - clocking in and out of work was the cutting edge employee technology of its day. And the practice above was the equivalent of sophisticated digital fraud. Kiplings...well they were exceedingly awful cakes then, just as they are today).
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 12, 2019 16:23:51 GMT
What if you lose your phone, or leave it at home, or the battery dies whilst the kids are watching it in the pub? I quite like my card thanks very much. In fact I quite liked my little booklet where you ripped the ticket out each game But when you ripped two out at once...... I loved ripping up and throwing the empty book onto the pitch in mock outrage each season. A last day tradition that was never tiresome, always made me laugh and is sadly missed.
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