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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 14, 2019 12:46:49 GMT
Point one. We shouldn’t get rid of NJ. Clearly bonkers to get rid. Point two. I’ve never known Stoke fans be so excepting of our, dull footy. Purely from a visual spectical we are dreadful, I mean awful to watch. How can that be ok?
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Post by elystokie on Mar 14, 2019 12:50:00 GMT
Point one. We shouldn’t get rid of NJ. Clearly bonkers to get rid. Point two. I’ve never known Stoke fans be so excepting of four, dull footy. Purely from a visual spectical we are dreadful, I mean awful to watch. How can that be ok? I agree with point 1. Point 2 is quite staggering unless you missed all of the years Pulis was in charge, a good few of them were totally mind numbing.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 14, 2019 12:51:54 GMT
What's the alternative? hound out another manager and start again?
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 14, 2019 12:53:56 GMT
POINT 2 - hilarious
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Post by werrington on Mar 14, 2019 12:56:27 GMT
Point one. We shouldn’t get rid of NJ. Clearly bonkers to get rid. Point two. I’ve never known Stoke fans be so excepting of four, dull footy. Purely from a visual spectical we are dreadful, I mean awful to watch. How can that be ok? Point 2 I’d check this Mb prior to 2013 if I were you
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 14, 2019 12:56:29 GMT
People understand the scale of the task Jonesy has. It seems to grow every time we play.
First things first, we are getting some backbone now.
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Post by melbournepotter on Mar 14, 2019 12:58:04 GMT
I think that perhaps supporters realise the mess we are in and that it’s the end of an era with some players such as Shawcross and Adam. Ideally we would have imbula cementing the defence along with wimmer, with Badou providing run in the midfield providing ammunition to Berahino. That collective plus Pepe and choupo in an ideal world would have us playing well in the premiership. However we know that all went belly up and we realise that after 4 managers in short time we need to give the current man time.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 14, 2019 13:00:44 GMT
Point one. We shouldn’t get rid of NJ. Clearly bonkers to get rid. Point two. I’ve never known Stoke fans be so excepting of four, dull footy. Purely from a visual spectical we are dreadful, I mean awful to watch. How can that be ok? Point 2 I’d check this Mb prior to 2013 if I were you Pulis was dull granted, but we had an identity. The last few games have been shite. Don’t know of an alternative, NJ will hopefully come good. But at the moment there’s just an acceptance that it couldn’t be better.
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Post by werrington on Mar 14, 2019 13:01:58 GMT
Point 2 I’d check this Mb prior to 2013 if I were you Pulis was dull granted, but we had an identity. The last few games have been shite. Don’t know of an alternative, NJ will hopefully come good. But at the moment there’s just an exceptance that it couldn’t be better. Did we fuck have an identity mate That died ( if that nonsense word ever existed )the day after Wembley in 2011
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 14, 2019 13:03:11 GMT
What's the alternative? hound out another manager and start again? Exactly. The investigation to our utter crapness begins upstairs. More managers coming and going only makes the situation even worse. If that's even possible. NJ has something I think Stoke fans ultimately are going to like a lot.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Mar 14, 2019 13:08:29 GMT
Accepting*
Acceptance*
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 14, 2019 13:11:36 GMT
Pulis was dull granted, but we had an identity. The last few games have been shite. Don’t know of an alternative, NJ will hopefully come good. But at the moment there’s just an exceptance that it couldn’t be better. Did we fuck have an identity mate That died ( if that nonsense word ever existed )the day after Wembley in 2011 So we weren’t known for being full blooded, Delap throw, wingers, cage, committed, stoke on a wet Tuesday night? Sure no identity
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 14, 2019 13:11:59 GMT
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 14, 2019 13:13:01 GMT
What's the alternative? hound out another manager and start again? Exactly. The investigation to our utter crapness begins upstairs. More managers coming and going only makes the situation even worse. If that's even possible. NJ has something I think Stoke fans ultimately are going to like a lot. I refer you to point 1
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Post by werrington on Mar 14, 2019 13:17:13 GMT
Did we fuck have an identity mate That died ( if that nonsense word ever existed )the day after Wembley in 2011 So we weren’t known for being full blooded, Delap throw, wingers, cage, committed, stoke on a wet Tuesday night? Sure no identity Ok why not the Hughes identity of free flowing fast attractive football with Bojan Shaqiri and Arnoutovic? It’s a bollocks word that’s like a stone hanging around our neck You said about Stoke fans starting to accept shit but when I pointed out we haven’t you moved the goalposts
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Post by Absolution on Mar 14, 2019 13:17:46 GMT
I can put up with a bit of mind-numbing at the moment because in the long run this particular manager comes with an almost guaranteed ‘intention‘ to play a much more attractive style.
I’ve used the word intention because I have no idea if he’ll succeed. He might still crash and burn. I’m just more inclined to cut him some slack because if it works I think it will be massively enjoyable. Had we appointed a Moyes or Allardyce or even kept Rowett, I’m not entirely sure I’d have enjoyed the journey, and frankly, that’s kind of important to me.
There may be strange selections or more prevalently, strange substitutions, but this is where I’m happy to let the manager, who knows all the psychology of the squad and individuals, make the decisions and take the consequences. We look less likely to score, but there seems to be more of a mental toughness to the team now, so that if we do score, I’m no longer 100% sure that we’re going to bollocks it up. Once he’d got them firing, his free-scoring Luton side almost never chucked a lead away.
We’re a million miles away from being a Championship version of his Luton side, but there are obvious reasons for that. If we’re not markedly further forward after two more transfer windows, I’ll consider that as failure. Given the possible upside though, I don’t think being patient for that period of time is too much to ask.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 13:21:06 GMT
Point 2 I’d check this Mb prior to 2013 if I were you Pulis was dull granted, but we had an identity. The last few games have been shite. Don’t know of an alternative, NJ will hopefully come good. But at the moment there’s just an acceptance that it couldn’t be better. Not the dreaded "identity" We'll end up sounding as idiotic as those Hammers fans droning on about "The West Ham way" or Evertonians banging on about "The School of Science"
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Post by stokienorthants on Mar 14, 2019 13:28:30 GMT
This season is almost making me yearn for the binary seasons of the past.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 14, 2019 13:38:45 GMT
Many of us are now realising how "good" the good times actually were - promotion, cup final, Europe, 3 x 9th finishes......could you imagine being offered that over the next 5-7 years!!!! As the song goes, "don't know what you got til it's gone".......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 13:39:49 GMT
Point one. We shouldn’t get rid of NJ. Clearly bonkers to get rid. Point two. I’ve never known Stoke fans be so excepting of four, dull footy. Purely from a visual spectical we are dreadful, I mean awful to watch. How can that be ok? Needs must, we have to battle through to the summer before any real change can happen - there is no point turning on NJ for the football now as he has no opportunity to change the personnel. He has steadied the defence and we now have something to build on. The last two games have been awful to watch - but the QPR one was down to Clucas' moment of madness, and last night was down to us missing Vokes, Clucas and Etebo and playing a decent side who have a lot to fight for this season. It was backs to the wall but we came away with a very good point. As others have said, we've seen far worse over the years. That 0-0 against Villa one Boxing Day was the lowest point of the Pulis reign for me, Pulis vs McLeish, a Christmas special that I'll never forget, and let's not forget the binary season.
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Post by AlliG on Mar 14, 2019 13:47:25 GMT
Did we fuck have an identity mate That died ( if that nonsense word ever existed )the day after Wembley in 2011 So we weren’t known for being full blooded, Delap throw, wingers, cage, committed, stoke on a wet Tuesday night? Sure no identity Delap etc didn't arrive until the second spell of TP. We had little or no "identity" in the first few years of his management. Having said that, I have never really been able to understand this great clamour for "identity". I don't care if we change from carpet football to long ball to high tempo pressing to backs to the wall defending on a weekly basis as long as it looks like we are regularly getting the best out of the players put on the pitch.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 14, 2019 14:06:04 GMT
So we weren’t known for being full blooded, Delap throw, wingers, cage, committed, stoke on a wet Tuesday night? Sure no identity Delap etc didn't arrive until the second spell of TP. We had little or no "identity" in the first few years of his management. Having said that, I have never really been able to understand this great clamour for "identity". I don't care if we change from carpet football to long ball to high tempo pressing to backs to the wall defending on a weekly basis as long as it looks like we are regularly getting the best out of the players put on the pitch. But surely mixing approach is an identity/plan/approach of sorts. I don’t know what our approach is in games. ‘Identity’ is perhaps misconstrued, not the right word. Maybe ‘what the hell are we about’ might simplify it
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 14, 2019 14:09:56 GMT
Don't be so restrained - there are loads of wrong spellings and malapropisms in the post! Or did you decide to leave plenty of fish in the sea for others to catch?
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Post by nott1 on Mar 14, 2019 14:24:46 GMT
Pulis was dull granted, but we had an identity. The last few games have been shite. Don’t know of an alternative, NJ will hopefully come good. But at the moment there’s just an exceptance that it couldn’t be better. Did we fuck have an identity mate That died ( if that nonsense word ever existed )the day after Wembley in 2011 At least he got us there!
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Post by werrington on Mar 14, 2019 14:28:24 GMT
Did we fuck have an identity mate That died ( if that nonsense word ever existed )the day after Wembley in 2011 At least he got us there! With a piss easy route but fair play he did it Mark Hughes got within a penalty kick of getting us to Wembley with an difficult route but it never gets a mention
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Post by Absolution on Mar 14, 2019 14:35:04 GMT
At least he got us there! With a piss easy route but fair play he did it Mark Hughes got within a penalty kick of getting us to Wembley with an difficult route but it never gets a mention Uh oh. Run to the hills!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 14, 2019 14:35:15 GMT
At least he got us there! With a piss easy route but fair play he did it Mark Hughes got within a penalty kick of getting us to Wembley with an difficult route but it never gets a mention Difficult route🤔With the exception of Chelsea I’m struggling mate
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 14:40:24 GMT
With a piss easy route but fair play he did it Mark Hughes got within a penalty kick of getting us to Wembley with an difficult route but it never gets a mention Difficult route🤔With the exception of Chelsea I’m struggling mate It’s a pretty significant ‘with the exception of’ though Mutts? Taking Liverpool to penalties over two legs is a pretty decent effort too.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 14, 2019 14:41:11 GMT
I know it's been said, but point 2!
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Post by werrington on Mar 14, 2019 14:42:10 GMT
With a piss easy route but fair play he did it Mark Hughes got within a penalty kick of getting us to Wembley with an difficult route but it never gets a mention Difficult route🤔With the exception of Chelsea I’m struggling mate You’ve forgotten Liverpool mate
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